• Astronomy Pictures of the Year M31 in a new light

    From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 15 09:01:01 2023
    The (amateur) astronomy pictures of the year have been announced:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-66807814

    The most stunning is the very deep M31 image showing a gas plasma cloud
    in the same field which it seems from the blurb has not been noticed
    until now!

    Mars setting behind the moon and the sprites are my other favourites.

    The other stunning image is of a comet disconnection event:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62916234

    Online source at the RGO with slightly more info.

    https://www.rmg.co.uk/whats-on/astronomy-photographer-year/galleries/overall-winners-2023


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  • From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Fri Sep 15 02:33:12 2023
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:01:11 AM UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:
    The (amateur) astronomy pictures of the year have been announced:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-66807814

    The most stunning is the very deep M31 image showing a gas plasma cloud
    in the same field which it seems from the blurb has not been noticed
    until now!

    Mars setting behind the moon and the sprites are my other favourites.

    The other stunning image is of a comet disconnection event:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62916234

    Online source at the RGO with slightly more info.

    https://www.rmg.co.uk/whats-on/astronomy-photographer-year/galleries/overall-winners-2023


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    Martin Brown


    Astrophotographers are such cool people and the effort they make to create these images for enjoyment.

    There is an emerging way to advance imaging with more enjoyable perspectives.

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  • From Will Peters@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Fri Sep 15 08:43:34 2023
    On 9/15/23 4:01 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
    The (amateur) astronomy pictures of the year have been announced:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-66807814

    The most stunning is the very deep M31 image showing a gas plasma cloud
    in the same field which it seems from the blurb has not been noticed
    until now!

    Mars setting behind the moon and the sprites are my other favourites.

    The other stunning image is of a comet disconnection event:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62916234

    Online source at the RGO with slightly more info.

    https://www.rmg.co.uk/whats-on/astronomy-photographer-year/galleries/overall-winners-2023



    Seems suspect that the "plasma arc" near M31 oddly has not been noticed
    until recently. The write up mentions that "scientists are now
    investigating" so it must really exist. Hard to believe that with as
    many images of M31 of varying exposures and filtration that something
    like that would be missed.

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Will Peters on Fri Sep 15 14:06:32 2023
    On 15/09/2023 13:43, Will Peters wrote:
    On 9/15/23 4:01 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
    The (amateur) astronomy pictures of the year have been announced:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-66807814

    The most stunning is the very deep M31 image showing a gas plasma
    cloud in the same field which it seems from the blurb has not been
    noticed until now!

    Mars setting behind the moon and the sprites are my other favourites.

    The other stunning image is of a comet disconnection event:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62916234

    Online source at the RGO with slightly more info.

    https://www.rmg.co.uk/whats-on/astronomy-photographer-year/galleries/overall-winners-2023



    Seems suspect that the "plasma arc" near M31 oddly has not been noticed
    until recently.  The write up mentions that "scientists are now investigating" so it must really exist.  Hard to believe that with as
    many images of M31 of varying exposures and filtration that something
    like that would be missed.

    I'm inclined to agree. I'm also a bit puzzled why it hasn't shown up on
    various 21cm hydrogen line observations. It isn't like M31 hasn't been
    observed in all wavebands and lots of times.

    However, their image frame is larger and deeper than most.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk on Fri Sep 15 07:33:50 2023
    On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 14:06:32 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 15/09/2023 13:43, Will Peters wrote:
    On 9/15/23 4:01 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
    The (amateur) astronomy pictures of the year have been announced:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-66807814

    The most stunning is the very deep M31 image showing a gas plasma
    cloud in the same field which it seems from the blurb has not been
    noticed until now!

    Mars setting behind the moon and the sprites are my other favourites.

    The other stunning image is of a comet disconnection event:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62916234

    Online source at the RGO with slightly more info.

    https://www.rmg.co.uk/whats-on/astronomy-photographer-year/galleries/overall-winners-2023



    Seems suspect that the "plasma arc" near M31 oddly has not been noticed
    until recently.� The write up mentions that "scientists are now
    investigating" so it must really exist.� Hard to believe that with as
    many images of M31 of varying exposures and filtration that something
    like that would be missed.

    I'm inclined to agree. I'm also a bit puzzled why it hasn't shown up on >various 21cm hydrogen line observations. It isn't like M31 hasn't been >observed in all wavebands and lots of times.

    However, their image frame is larger and deeper than most.

    It's an [O III] emission region, with no H-alpha and apparently no
    neutral H (so no radio emission).

    Quite a few interesting objects and regions have been discovered in
    recent years by amateur imagers, using widefield instruments that are
    largely absent in professional observatories outside of a few survey instruments... and they are usually not using narrowband or long
    exposure times.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk on Fri Sep 15 08:31:49 2023
    On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 15:26:34 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 15/09/2023 14:33, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 14:06:32 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 15/09/2023 13:43, Will Peters wrote:

    Seems suspect that the "plasma arc" near M31 oddly has not been noticed >>>> until recently.� The write up mentions that "scientists are now
    investigating" so it must really exist.� Hard to believe that with as
    many images of M31 of varying exposures and filtration that something
    like that would be missed.

    I'm inclined to agree. I'm also a bit puzzled why it hasn't shown up on
    various 21cm hydrogen line observations. It isn't like M31 hasn't been
    observed in all wavebands and lots of times.

    However, their image frame is larger and deeper than most.

    It's an [O III] emission region, with no H-alpha and apparently no
    neutral H (so no radio emission).

    It is quite a peculiar cloud of plasma then. Normally you would expect
    at least some neutral hydrogen in it simply because it is so common.

    My guess would then be that it is something by way of a local planetary >nebula of lost CNO from some former large star that happens to be in the
    same line of sight as M31 as opposed to a huge cloud near the galaxy.

    Indeed, most peculiar. The oxygen cloud is odd enough, but the absence
    of an obvious source of ionizing radiation is what I find interesting.
    It takes a good deal of energy to get [O III] emission.

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Fri Sep 15 15:26:34 2023
    On 15/09/2023 14:33, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 14:06:32 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 15/09/2023 13:43, Will Peters wrote:

    Seems suspect that the "plasma arc" near M31 oddly has not been noticed
    until recently.  The write up mentions that "scientists are now
    investigating" so it must really exist.  Hard to believe that with as
    many images of M31 of varying exposures and filtration that something
    like that would be missed.

    I'm inclined to agree. I'm also a bit puzzled why it hasn't shown up on
    various 21cm hydrogen line observations. It isn't like M31 hasn't been
    observed in all wavebands and lots of times.

    However, their image frame is larger and deeper than most.

    It's an [O III] emission region, with no H-alpha and apparently no
    neutral H (so no radio emission).

    It is quite a peculiar cloud of plasma then. Normally you would expect
    at least some neutral hydrogen in it simply because it is so common.

    My guess would then be that it is something by way of a local planetary
    nebula of lost CNO from some former large star that happens to be in the
    same line of sight as M31 as opposed to a huge cloud near the galaxy.

    Quite a few interesting objects and regions have been discovered in
    recent years by amateur imagers, using widefield instruments that are
    largely absent in professional observatories outside of a few survey instruments... and they are usually not using narrowband or long
    exposure times.

    Indeed - amateur capabilities have closed the gap a long way on
    professional equipment in terms of basic imaging from dark skies.
    Narrow band filters for deep sky have changed the game a lot.

    Likewise for spotting things hitting the gas giants and supernovae.

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Sat Sep 16 16:08:42 2023
    On 15/09/2023 15:31, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 15:26:34 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 15/09/2023 14:33, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    It's an [O III] emission region, with no H-alpha and apparently no
    neutral H (so no radio emission).

    It is quite a peculiar cloud of plasma then. Normally you would expect
    at least some neutral hydrogen in it simply because it is so common.

    My guess would then be that it is something by way of a local planetary
    nebula of lost CNO from some former large star that happens to be in the
    same line of sight as M31 as opposed to a huge cloud near the galaxy.

    Indeed, most peculiar. The oxygen cloud is odd enough, but the absence
    of an obvious source of ionizing radiation is what I find interesting.
    It takes a good deal of energy to get [O III] emission.

    Although that is true O[III] is a forbidden transition so its time
    constant for decay to the ground state is rather long. Perhaps it has
    been flash illuminated in the distant enough past by a supernova and is
    still in its excited state.

    Problem with that is why isn't there some neutral hydrogen though.
    Most odd!

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Will Peters on Sat Sep 16 17:50:12 2023
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 6:43:38 AM UTC-6, Will Peters wrote:
    On 9/15/23 4:01 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

    Seems suspect that the "plasma arc" near M31 oddly has not been noticed until recently.

    Although that's odd, what I found stranger about the caption to the picture was... how do they know it's as distant as M31, and not instead something that's in our own galaxy that just happens to be in front of it from our point of view?

    John Savard

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Sep 16 22:17:01 2023
    On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 17:50:12 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 6:43:38?AM UTC-6, Will Peters wrote:
    On 9/15/23 4:01 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

    Seems suspect that the "plasma arc" near M31 oddly has not been noticed
    until recently.

    Although that's odd, what I found stranger about the caption to the picture >was... how do they know it's as distant as M31, and not instead something >that's in our own galaxy that just happens to be in front of it from our point >of view?

    This very recent paper, https://arxiv.org/pdf/2307.06308.pdf considers
    various galactic and extragalactic explanations, and comes down
    favoring (but with uncertainty) an association between the plasma
    region and the galaxy.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Wed Sep 20 21:45:59 2023
    On Friday, 15 September 2023 at 04:01:11 UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:
    The (amateur) astronomy pictures of the year have been announced:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-66807814

    The most stunning is the very deep M31 image showing a gas plasma cloud
    in the same field which it seems from the blurb has not been noticed
    until now!

    Mars setting behind the moon and the sprites are my other favourites.

    The other stunning image is of a comet disconnection event:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62916234

    Online source at the RGO with slightly more info.

    https://www.rmg.co.uk/whats-on/astronomy-photographer-year/galleries/overall-winners-2023


    --
    Martin Brown

    The Mars/Moon shot is very impressive, the Andromeda shot the most important. The ship and aurora shots the least interesting, most aurora shots are exposed too long, wiping out textural detail.

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