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  • The upcoming transit of Venus

    From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 22 05:46:42 2023
    Seeing no contributors here have expressed the slightest interest in Venus passing between the slower-moving Earth and our parent star at the centre of the inner solar system, a transit can now be put in proper context as it transitions from left to
    right of from an evening to morning appearance as seen from the surface of a rotating Earth-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uCtot1aDg

    The dull would have a transit every hundred years or so and come in pairs so now it can be reduced to about 18 months with the unique tracking satellite with its focus on the Sun and giving permanent eclipse conditions.

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  • From His Royal Hineyness@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Jul 22 09:31:47 2023
    On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 05:46:42 -0700 (PDT), Gerald Kelleher <[email protected]> wrote:

    Seeing no contributors here have expressed the slightest interest in Venus passing between the slower-moving Earth and our parent star at the centre of the inner solar system, a transit can now be put in proper context as it transitions from left to
    right of from an evening to morning appearance as seen from the surface of a rotating Earth-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uCtot1aDg

    The dull would have a transit every hundred years or so and come in pairs so now it can be reduced to about 18 months with the unique tracking satellite with its focus on the Sun and giving permanent eclipse conditions.

    I'm interested in seeing the transit, but it's hard to get excited
    about an "upcoming transit" that won't occur until 2117. I am sorry I
    missed viewing the last one in 2012.

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  • From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to His Royal Hineyness on Sat Jul 22 08:24:40 2023
    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 3:31:52 PM UTC+2, His Royal Hineyness wrote:
    On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 05:46:42 -0700 (PDT), Gerald Kelleher <[email protected]> wrote:

    Seeing no contributors here have expressed the slightest interest in Venus passing between the slower-moving Earth and our parent star at the centre of the inner solar system, a transit can now be put in proper context as it transitions from left to
    right of from an evening to morning appearance as seen from the surface of a rotating Earth-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uCtot1aDg

    The dull would have a transit every hundred years or so and come in pairs so now it can be reduced to about 18 months with the unique tracking satellite with its focus on the Sun and giving permanent eclipse conditions.
    I'm interested in seeing the transit, but it's hard to get excited
    about an "upcoming transit" that won't occur until 2117. I am sorry I
    missed viewing the last one in 2012.

    Society can see a transit now that the direct/retrograde motion of Venus is accounted for using an older framework than that of Ptolemy which the original Sun-centred researchers were obligated to use. The annual change in the position of the stars from
    left to right and parallel to the orbital plane defines the orbital motion of the Earth and sets the Sun up as a stationary reference for the transit of Venus between the Sun and the slower-moving Earth.

    "Now what is said here of Jupiter is to be understood of Saturn and Mars also. In Saturn, these retrogressions are somewhat more frequent than in Jupiter, because its motion is slower than Jupiter's, so that the Earth overtakes it in a shorter time. In
    Mars they are rarer, its motion being faster than that of Jupiter, so that the Earth spends more time in catching up with it. Next, as to Venus and Mercury, whose circles are included within that of the Earth, stoppings and retrograde motions appear in
    them also, due not to any motion that really exists in them, but to the annual motion of the Earth. This is acutely demonstrated by Copernicus" Galileo

    My partitioning of direct/retrogrades depending on whether they move faster or slower than the Earth, the first since Copernicus accounted for the direct/retrogrades of the slower-moving planets, is already out in the open in a poorly explained way by
    someone else.

    The upcoming transit should rightly be called out in advance given that the satellite itself may no survive for another 18 months until the next transitioning of Venus from left to right as it overtakes the slower-moving Earth.

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  • From palsing@21:1/5 to His Royal Hineyness on Sat Jul 22 12:15:25 2023
    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 6:31:52 AM UTC-7, His Royal Hineyness wrote:
    On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 05:46:42 -0700 (PDT), Gerald Kelleher <[email protected]> wrote:

    Seeing no contributors here have expressed the slightest interest in Venus passing between the slower-moving Earth and our parent star at the centre of the inner solar system, a transit can now be put in proper context as it transitions from left to
    right of from an evening to morning appearance as seen from the surface of a rotating Earth-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uCtot1aDg

    The dull would have a transit every hundred years or so and come in pairs so now it can be reduced to about 18 months with the unique tracking satellite with its focus on the Sun and giving permanent eclipse conditions.
    I'm interested in seeing the transit, but it's hard to get excited
    about an "upcoming transit" that won't occur until 2117. I am sorry I
    missed viewing the last one in 2012.

    Gerald prefers to use words in a different context than astronomers do. He does this for a reason that only he knows.

    The correct term for what Gerald is describing is "inferior conjunction":...

    https://aaa.org/2022/02/01/venus-at-inferior-conjunction%EF%BF%BC/#:~:text=Venus%20is%20the%20closest%20to,occur%20approximately%20105%20years%20apart.

    "Venus is the closest to Earth at inferior conjunction. Though not often, the orbital plane of Venus and the Earth “line up” and we also get a transit, that is Venus crossing the face of the sun. This occurs in “pairs” 8 years apart, but those
    pairs occur approximately 105 years apart."

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  • From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 22 13:11:11 2023
    Who was the researcher who managed to partition direct/retrograde motions depending on whether they move faster or slower than the Earth?. It is only made possible by a satellite and a different framework along with additional observations such as
    scaling up the motion of Jupiter's satellites to a planetary scale based on Venus and Mercury-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcrBAuLBXag

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uCtot1aDg

    I am well aware that people are out of practice, but my goodness, the upcoming transit of Venus in the context of solar system structure and planetary motions deserves a proper place.

    This event happens every 18 months or so and would normally be celebrated by virtue that the change in position of the stars from left to right as a demonstration of the Earth's motion is incredibly valuable for many, many reasons.

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  • From Mike Collins@21:1/5 to Gerald Kelleher on Sun Jul 23 04:54:51 2023
    On Saturday, 22 July 2023 at 21:11:14 UTC+1, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
    Who was the researcher who managed to partition direct/retrograde motions depending on whether they move faster or slower than the Earth?. It is only made possible by a satellite and a different framework along with additional observations such as
    scaling up the motion of Jupiter's satellites to a planetary scale based on Venus and Mercury-

    Aristarchus of Samos

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  • From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 23 05:15:51 2023
    The partitioning of direct/retrograde motions requires two resolutions using two background frameworks, one stationary framework ( slower-moving planets) and one moving framework (faster-moving) planets as seen from a moving Earth-

    https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uCtot1aDg

    The supporting demonstrations for the upcoming event are varied and considerable, however, the main consideration is how to account for a moving Earth and a stationary Sun within the transit event. If the celebrity is going to explain the direct/
    retrograde motions of Venus and Mercury properly, he and everyone else need to take into account all the different pieces that come together to create an enjoyable narrative that emerged on this newsgroup-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXQh1xFce7s&t=420s

    If this insight made it outside this newsgroup, albeit in a botched form, how many others have I seen show glimpses of understanding? Like all things I do, the gifts of God are part of us but do not belong to us so humanity can love what is best.

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  • From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 25 11:44:50 2023
    As Venus overtakes Earth at our closest points, our planets are 23.7 million miles apart while the next closest is Mars as we overtake that planet at 34.6 million miles apart.

    All adds to the enjoyable narrative of the upcoming event.

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