In the late 1990s and early 2000's we were inundated by fantastic stories in books, particularly on string theory about astronomical possibilities like multiverses, wormholes, making entire universes in the lab. But I think much of that has petered out
as the LHC has failed to live up to its multi-billion price tag. After discovering the Higgs, nothing new of note has come from it and most other discoveries have come from other facilities. Dark matter proof remains out of reach, even with multiple
world-wide experiments looking for it. This of course had lead the consortium who built the LHC to want to build a MUCH larger, far more expensive unit across 2-4 countries. You know what they say, "don't ask, don't get" so I understand them. Lastly,
as in the last 5 decades, nothing remotely resembling an intelligent signal from outside the earth has been detected by various SETI type experiments.

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On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 3:00:41 AM UTC+1, RichA wrote:

In the late 1990s and early 2000's we were inundated by fantastic stories in books, particularly on string theory about astronomical possibilities like multiverses, wormholes, making entire universes in the lab. But I think much of that has petered out

as the LHC has failed to live up to its multi-billion price tag. After discovering the Higgs, nothing new of note has come from it and most other discoveries have come from other facilities. Dark matter proof remains out of reach, even with multiple
world-wide experiments looking for it. This of course had lead the consortium who built the LHC to want to build a MUCH larger, far more expensive unit across 2-4 countries. You know what they say, "don't ask, don't get" so I understand them. Lastly, as
in the last 5 decades, nothing remotely resembling an intelligent signal from outside the earth has been detected by various SETI type experiments.

Experimental sciences at a human level are fine even though some are contrived like quantum mechanics. The real research in that realm is the balance between order and chaos or non-periodicity. The mathematics of Pi and Phi are an arithmetic example
while non-periodic tiling and crystal formation are another example.

Projecting theoretical nonsense into the solar system, galactic and the Universal arena has seen its day as the mathematicians can't handle basic planetary facts anyway even though their life and everyone else's depends on it.

I would know a genuine astronomer if they could interpret a basic observation and translate it into solar system structure and planetary dynamics.

https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

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On 01/05/2023 03:00, RichA wrote:

In the late 1990s and early 2000's we were inundated by fantastic
stories in books, particularly on string theory about astronomical possibilities like multiverses, wormholes, making entire universes in
the lab. But I think much of that has petered out

Theoreticians theorise and observational astronomers provide hard
constraints on what is actually possible in *our* universe. We live in a
golden age of observational astronomy with *every* conceivable waveband available to explore in very high resolution images. HST, Chandra and
now the Webb telescope (who I had assumed was named after another Webb)

https://www.webbdeepsky.com

Seeing into the heart of a black hole accretion disk isn't something I
expected to see in my lifetime but they have done it twice already.

as the LHC has
failed to live up to its multi-billion price tag. After discovering
the Higgs, nothing new of note has come from it and most other
discoveries have come from other facilities.

The Higg's boson is the root cause of mass which makes it a not at all insignificant discovery even if I view HEP as a cross between stamp
collecting and trying to understand how clocks work by smashing them
together at ever increasing speeds to see what comes out.

Dark matter proof
remains out of reach, even with multiple world-wide experiments
looking for it. This of course had lead the consortium who built the
LHC to want to build a MUCH larger, far more expensive unit across
2-4 countries. You know what they say, "don't ask, don't get" so I understand them.

I think that might be more of an effect related to the location of
CERN's research laboratory and the size of Switzerland...

The World Wide Web is one of their more notable spin off inventions.
(for better or worse)

Lastly, as in the last 5 decades, nothing remotely
resembling an intelligent signal from outside the earth has been
detected by various SETI type experiments.

Most SETI type experiments are serendipitous use of otherwise idle time
on various research instruments. It is pretty harmless and would be an incredibly high impact discovery if it every happened. Remember that the
pen trace for the first ever pulsar discovery was marked up as LGM.

You are the sort of antisocial antiscience misanthrope that not only
complains that the glass is half full but crushes it into splinters and
then moans about injury to your hand from the shards of broken glass.

--
Martin Brown

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On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:51:01 PM UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:

Theoreticians theorise and observational astronomers provide hard constraints on what is actually possible in *our* universe. We live in a golden age of observational astronomy with *every* conceivable waveband available to explore in very high resolution images. HST, Chandra and
now the Webb telescope (who I had assumed was named after another Webb)

Martin Brown

Mathematical theorists are nuisances who have not only run out of road but with observations from satellites front and centre, can't interpret a basic observation even without the need for a theory/hypothesis.

You hardly think your colleagues can interpret Mercury as it is on the opposite side of the Sun and the solar system as seen from a satellite tracking with the slower-moving Earth. Solar system researchers don't need theorists and especially about how
the motions of our planet affect Earth sciences like climate, geology and biology.

https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

The Royal Society subculture has seen its day so when genuine researchers emerge, they can study issues like how planetary motions and the solar system's galactic orbit motions create variables all over the place.

Nobody has the time to waste on contrived muck even if you do.

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On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 3:29:23 PM UTC+1, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:51:01 PM UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:

Theoreticians theorise and observational astronomers provide hard constraints on what is actually possible in *our* universe. We live in a golden age of observational astronomy with *every* conceivable waveband available to explore in very high resolution images. HST, Chandra and
now the Webb telescope (who I had assumed was named after another Webb)

Martin Brown

Mathematical theorists are nuisances who have not only run out of road but with observations from satellites front and centre, can't interpret a basic observation even without the need for a theory/hypothesis.

You hardly think your colleagues can interpret Mercury as it is on the opposite side of the Sun and the solar system as seen from a satellite tracking with the slower-moving Earth. Solar system researchers don't need theorists and especially about how

the motions of our planet affect Earth sciences like climate, geology and biology.

https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

The Royal Society subculture has seen its day so when genuine researchers emerge, they can study issues like how planetary motions and the solar system's galactic orbit motions create variables all over the place.

Nobody has the time to waste on contrived muck even if you do.

Readers are so dull that they never corrected the mistake that Mercury is presently passing between the slower-moving Earth and the central Sun at the centre of our inner solar system.

https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

I looked out in the direction of the inner solar system this morning and realised my mistake as to the position of Mercury hence the correction now.

My goodness, I can't imagine what a dull life must be like when contemporary imaging makes it all so easy.

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On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 7:29:17 AM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

My goodness, I can't imagine what a dull life must be like when contemporary imaging makes it all so easy.

What you fail to understand, Gerald, is that astronomers knew all about the motions of the inner planets long before you discovered "contemporary imaging". They did not actually need this "contemporary imaging" to fully understand what is going on. You
are just late to the party!

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On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 2:36:27 AM UTC+1, palsing wrote:

On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 7:29:17 AM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

My goodness, I can't imagine what a dull life must be like when contemporary imaging makes it all so easy.

What you fail to understand, Gerald, is that astronomers knew all about the motions of the inner planets long before you discovered "contemporary imaging". They did not actually need this "contemporary imaging" to fully understand what is going on. You

are just late to the party!

The original Sun-centred astronomers like Copernicus and Galileo had to framework their conclusion via a hypothesis as there was no means to view the central Sun at the centre of all planetary motions directly and a solar eclipse would have been of
little use in this respect. Now there are permanent eclipse conditions where we can see both to the left and right of the Sun and watch Venus and Mercury run their smaller and faster circuits back and forth (direct/retrograde motions) around our parent
star.

There is no hypothesis needed as the logic is that the motion of the Earth creates the annual change in the position of the stars from left (evening appearance) to right (morning appearance) of our parent star thereby setting the Sun up as a central and
stationary reference for the motions of Venus and Mercury-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uCtot1aDg

Mercury has just transitioned to a dawn appearance as it moves between the Earth and the Sun so will be seen shortly.

There is a great love of the original astronomers who did not have the imaging tools available to distinguish the direct/retrograde motions of the slower-moving planets seen from a faster-moving Earth and the faster-moving inner planets seen from a
slower-moving Earth as different frameworks are needed-

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html

The purpose of genuine innovators is to make themselves invisible so that only the perspectives themselves shine in the darkness. Trying to diminish the messenger is an offence against inspiration and that is never a good place to be. I don't mind the
silence because the good will eventually shine through and not even those who claim priority when it doesn't really matter. It is a Christian thing -

" And now, brother, listen to the conclusion. Above all the graces and all the gifts of the Holy Spirit which Christ grants to his friends, is the grace of overcoming oneself, and accepting willingly, out of love for Christ, all suffering, injury,
discomfort and contempt; for in all other gifts of God we cannot glory, seeing they proceed not from ourselves but from God " St Francis of Assisi

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