The timekeeping adjustment next week in America is an excellent way to appreciate how the 24-hour cycle is anchored to the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle, with noon separating AM from PM.

As the length of time from sunrise to noon is symmetrical with noon to sunset, irrespective of the daily variations across the entire cycle, the foundations of timekeeping where 24-hour clock noon and natural noon normally remain locked to one another.

When DST is applied in March, an asymmetry is created between sunrise to noon and noon to sunset.

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/new-york

Clock noon is one hour ahead of natural noon; thereby, the length of natural noon to sunset becomes longer by an hour (in terms of a clock) or 'longer evenings' as experienced by society.

Of course, this is all new. Before politicians make mistakes, it would be helpful to have people with influence to appreciate how timekeeping and the 24-hour day remain fixed to the rotation of the planet and the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle every 24 hours
and a thousand rotations in a thousand 24-hour days.

The unmoderated newsgroup is the only means to remain consistent and unwavering in these matters. Having all the responsibility and none of the support is part of the deal as nothing is asked for.

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Daylight savings (when it is off in winter) is a control mechanism for the slave population. They NEED the sun to be up early in winter so the serfs get up and go to work early. Plus, it has to get dark early so the serfs are triggered to go to bed, so
they'll be alert for the next day's labours.

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On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 2:47:11 AM UTC, RichA wrote:

Daylight savings (when it is off in winter) is a control mechanism for the slave population. They NEED the sun to be up early in winter so the serfs get up and go to work early. Plus, it has to get dark early so the serfs are triggered to go to bed, so

they'll be alert for the next day's labours.

That is so sweet, and if it is the best you can do, then fair play to you.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623

I am sorry that politicians are unable to make correct and reasonable judgments as there is no community in astronomy and timekeeping to inform them properly as to the differences in latitudinal speeds and longitudinal variations, which is less important
in the Southern US States than it is in Northern Europe.

Miami, Florida, on the 26-degree parallel, has no equivalent in Southern Europe-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/26th_parallel_north

It means it doesn't really matter whether DST applies there or not, as the variation in daylight/darkness asymmetries are much less than those in the Northern States and locations like Duluth, which compare with locations in mid-Europe-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/47th_parallel_north

Goodness forbid a discussion breaks out on the ins and outs of DST within the 24 hour and Lat/Long framework and from there into planetary dynamics.

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On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 3:03:22 AM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

I am sorry that politicians are unable to make correct and reasonable judgments as there
is no community in astronomy and timekeeping to inform them properly as to the
differences in latitudinal speeds and longitudinal variations, which is less important in the
Southern US States than it is in Northern Europe.

Indeed, latitude is relevant to Daylight Saving Time.

The further north you go, the bigger the difference is between the long days of summer
and the short days of winter.

Originally, Daylight Saving Time was invented to save on electricity used for artificial
lighting. If people get up an hour earlier in the summer, then when they're home in
the evening, and still reading or listening to the radio after supper... they won't have
to turn the lights on!

That rationale doesn't work if you are far enough south to be close to the tropics,
where summer and winter aren't that much different in terms of the length of the day.

And it also doesn't work if you are far enough north that the days in summer are so
long that you don't need to get up an hour earlier to have daylight all evening.

So Daylight Saving Time was designed for people living in the mid-latitudes, and
makes no sense elsewhere. But it's convenient to have everyone using the same time scale, and the mid-latitudes are the most heavily populated regions in North
America, at least. So if Toronto and New York save electricity, it doesn't matter if
Saskatoon and Miami are moving their clocks backwards and forwards for no
good reason, at least to those who put the law into effect.

John Savard

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The relationship between the human-devised 24-hour cycle and the natural noon cycle changes once DST is applied by going out of their normal symmetry. Everything moves forward by an hour with DST and the best way to appreciate this is to go down to the
date after DST is applied, click on the date and move the Sun back one hour towards sunrise to appreciate the asymmetry created by DST-

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/washington-dc

As the 24-hour cycle is generated as an average, there is no means to express DST outside the asymmetry as a physical expression, whereas the 24-hour average can be explained in terms of constant diurnal rotation in combination with variable rotation as
a function of the orbital motion of the Earth. The Equation of Time equalises the orbital surface rotation while maintaining daily rotation anchored to the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle.

People are curring themselves to pieces over DST because they cannot appreciate they are flexible extensions of the 24-hour and Lat/longitude systems, just as time zones and RA/Dec are from the same flexible extensions. There is no physical
justification for RA/Dec but it hgasn't stopped people from trying-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_time#/media/File:Sidereal_time.svg

The misadventure with timekeeping through late 17th-century people is painful to witness as 21st-century perople are supposed to have the intellegence and decency to deal with careless conclusions.



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On 3/10/23 15:01, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

The relationship between the human-devised 24-hour cycle and the natural noon cycle changes once DST is applied by going out of their normal symmetry. Everything moves forward by an hour with DST and the best way to appreciate this is to go down to the

date after DST is applied, click on the date and move the Sun back one hour towards sunrise to appreciate the asymmetry created by DST-

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/washington-dc

As the 24-hour cycle is generated as an average, there is no means to express DST outside the asymmetry as a physical expression, whereas the 24-hour average can be explained in terms of constant diurnal rotation in combination with variable rotation

as a function of the orbital motion of the Earth. The Equation of Time equalises the orbital surface rotation while maintaining daily rotation anchored to the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle.

People are curring themselves to pieces over DST because they cannot appreciate they are flexible extensions of the 24-hour and Lat/longitude systems, just as time zones and RA/Dec are from the same flexible extensions. There is no physical

justification for RA/Dec but it hgasn't stopped people from trying-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_time#/media/File:Sidereal_time.svg

The misadventure with timekeeping through late 17th-century people is painful to witness as 21st-century perople are supposed to have the intellegence and decency to deal with careless conclusions.

Let's discuss the servile stupidity of 21st-century people.

The sidereal day proves that the earth is not revolving around the sun.

If you can't figure this out it means you are unable to do basic
geometry and simple vectors.

The constellations rotate at a different rate than the sun. This would
be impossible if the earth were orbiting the sun.

It proves the sun and the constellations are orbiting the earth.

It doesn't suggest it. It is an empirical observation that proves it.

But you astronomy nerds resolve this apriori, by assuming that
everything the masters tell you is true, and then you reason from those assumptions. Thus you can't even see or understand what is right in
front of your face.

There are no satellites in 'outer space.' Satellites are a hoax.

There are no space probes to Mars, or anywhere else. This is all fake,
just like the fake moon landing.

GPS is land tower based. GPS was fully functional in the 1940s, before
the fictional 'space satellite' had even been conceived. In the 1940s
GPS was called LORAN. You didn't know this, but think you are smart.

The Chinese weather balloon shows you what 'satellites' really are. NASA
is the world's largest consumer of Helium. You didn't know that, either,
but you think you are smart.

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On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 11:35:45 PM UTC-8, Glow Ball wrote:

The sidereal day proves that the earth is not revolving around the sun.

If brains were dynamite you could not even blow your nose. That is one of the most ignorant claims here in a long time.

Read a dang textbook.

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On 3/11/23 22:56, palsing wrote:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 11:35:45 PM UTC-8, Glow Ball wrote:

The sidereal day proves that the earth is not revolving around the sun.

If brains were dynamite you could not even blow your nose. That is one of the most ignorant claims here in a long time.

Read a dang textbook.

I'll see your textbook and raise you one astronomy book.

Zetetic Astronomy, by Samual Birley Rowbotham https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/69892

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On 3/11/23 22:56, palsing wrote:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 11:35:45 PM UTC-8, Glow Ball wrote:

The sidereal day proves that the earth is not revolving around the sun.

If brains were dynamite you could not even blow your nose. That is one of the most ignorant claims here in a long time.

Read a dang textbook.

Your cult seems to think that personal insults and Dawkins bibles are 'science.'

My dad gave me my first telescope when I was eight years old. It was my
most prized possession for years. I've read more astronomy text books by
the time I was ten than you will ever read. I could point out all the constellations and name the stars, planets, and their orbit periods,
gravity, mass, and atmospheric compositions by 3rd grade. When I was ten
years old I built my first space shuttle model.

I had a pile of popular astronomy comic books. I knew the names of the
space programs and astronauts. I believed the NASA lies. But then I
learned the scientific method, and started observing things empirically
instead of believing what the books said. That's what a real scientist does.

By the time I was fifteen years old my library consisted of hundreds of
books and dozens of text books and multiple encyclopedias. Who do you
think you are to tell me to read a book? You are a slave. Satan owns
your mind. He is your master.

This shows the true spirit of your 'read a dang textbook' trope. It is
you who needs to read a dang book. You are a slave to lies.

How many actual scientific experiments have you conducted to prove your
ball earth theories? Do you actually have a telescope? When is the last
time you actual went outside and observed the night sky? Chances are it
has been years since you have actually stood outside to scientifically
observe the sky. I look up at the sky almost every time I exit a door.
The sky is very familiar to me.

All stars are almost exactly the same size when zoomed with a powerful telescope. This shows they are all roughly the same distance from the
observer. Stars also have zero parallax, which also indicates they are
all roughly the same distance from the observer.

This video proves that the earth does not orbit the sun. It also proves
the earth does not rotate on its axis.

Flat Earth vs Sidereal Day - Proof We Don't Orbit The Sun https://youtu.be/vuKealG5Ug8

This 8-year-old girl has more brains in her nose than in your whole
head, Mr. Dynamite.

8 year old girl proves Flat Earth in a presentation https://youtu.be/Y8iYtiYsyY0

You are deceived. Heliocentrism and the big bang cult are ancient pagan religions from the human sacrifice cults of India, Babylon, and Egypt.
Your heroes are gnostic pantheists who are teaching you their satanic
religion dressed up as 'science.'

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew
great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall
deceive the very elect."

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On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 1:37:19 AM UTC-7, Glow Ball wrote:

This video proves that the earth does not orbit the sun. It also proves
the earth does not rotate on its axis.

Flat Earth vs Sidereal Day - Proof We Don't Orbit The Sun https://youtu.be/vuKealG5Ug8

Every clock you've ever had says that a day is 24 hours.

But if the Earth rotated on its axis once every 24 hours, then when
the Earth is on the opposite side of the Sun, then it would be midnight
in Africa instead of noon in Africa.

Well, that's what the Earth rotating in 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4 seconds makes up for!

So if you say that because the solar day is 24 hours, then the sidereal day
is 24 hours too, and then correctly use the correction for the Earth's orbit
in the other direction, saying that the solar day must be 24 hours and 4 minutes,
so the Earth doesn't rotate... your mistake is obvious. You ignored the Earth's orbit in one direction, but counted it in the other direction.

So your values for the solar day don't match, but that's because of your mistake,
not because there's anything wrong with the Earth being round.

John Savard

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On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 12:35:45 AM UTC-7, Glow Ball wrote:

The constellations rotate at a different rate than the sun. This would
be impossible if the earth were orbiting the sun.

If I am walking around a table in a room with paintings on the wall,
because I'm walking _around_ the table, the table is on every side of
me, while because I'm always inside the room, the paintings stay about
on the same side of me.

The paintings don't move, from my point of view, with the table.

So why can't the constellations change direction from the Earth at a
different rate than the Sun that we are orbiting?

John Savard

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On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:53:17 AM UTC-8, Glow Ball wrote:

On 3/11/23 22:56, palsing wrote:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 11:35:45 PM UTC-8, Glow Ball wrote:

The sidereal day proves that the earth is not revolving around the sun.

If brains were dynamite you could not even blow your nose. That is one of the most ignorant claims here in a long time.

Read a dang textbook.

I'll see your textbook and raise you one astronomy book.

Zetetic Astronomy, by Samual Birley Rowbotham https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/69892

Jellyfish have survived for 600 million years without a brain... this gives so many people like you hope...

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I did not misspend two decades coming to this newsgroup to humiliate people or watch them humiliate themselves if they have any pride in the astronomical foundations for timekeeping, solar system or Earth science research.

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