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  • A visit to Cloudy Nights

    From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 13:20:15 2023
    The forums on that website are not so much moderated as they are monetised but for different reasons. Observers concentrate on magnification equipment while they have an unhealthy relationship with experimental or mathematical theorists who have no
    interest in timekeeping, space/motions, along with layers of structures going from the solar system to the Galactic to the overall Universe.

    The experience is, because of the total removal of the perceptive faculties through the empirical subculture, it is harder today to express planetary motions and solar system structure than it was in the era of Copernicus and Galileo.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Gerald Kelleher on Mon Feb 20 21:01:21 2023
    On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:20:16 PM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
    while they have an unhealthy relationship with experimental or mathematical theorists who have no interest in timekeeping, space/motions, along with layers of structures going from the solar system to the Galactic to the overall Universe.

    When are you going to realize that if you think one thing, and the professional astronomers who publish in peer-reviewed journals and hold tenured
    academic positions think the opposite, then the odds are very much in favor of them being right, and you being wrong?

    John Savard

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  • From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 22:08:35 2023
    The new type of astronomy is created out of visual narratives, so it takes a new type of observer to appreciate them. These people exist; however, the quasi-legal spouting empirical subculture is a huge drag on these people who have the perceptive
    qualities to read these visual narratives-

    https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

    The colossal CMEs happening presently alone is a testament to the return of visual astronomy with its links to the Northern lights and its Southern counterpart. The appearance of Saturn in direct motion alone, with the change in position of the stars
    parallel to the orbital plane as a function of the Earth's orbital motion around the same plane of motion, is a major modification to the perspectives of the first Sun-centred astronomers.

    Those who dine out on Ra/Dec modelling are fine as far as I am concerned, yet who could live with a visual narrative which refers the stationary Sun at the centre of all planetary motions and its links to Earth sciences, which include the cause of the
    seasons-

    https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap210922.html

    That monstrosity was created by a professional 'astronomer' or so the website informs us-

    "Each day, a different image or photograph of our fascinating universe is featured, along with a brief explanation written by a professional astronomer." NASA

    The Cloudy Nights forum was an education for me because I could see there were observers, some who once came to this forum, that couldn't account for visual narratives and therefore disappeared rather than stay around to resolve the issues. Getting
    observers to come down off the fence is difficult yet it is crucial for a healthy society that students move away from the peer-reviewed junk that is self-serving but the same people can't read visual narratives.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Gerald Kelleher on Thu Feb 23 22:10:20 2023
    On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 16:20:16 UTC-5, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
    The forums on that website are not so much moderated as they are monetised but for different reasons. Observers concentrate on magnification equipment while they have an unhealthy relationship with experimental or mathematical theorists who have no
    interest in timekeeping, space/motions, along with layers of structures going from the solar system to the Galactic to the overall Universe.

    The experience is, because of the total removal of the perceptive faculties through the empirical subculture, it is harder today to express planetary motions and solar system structure than it was in the era of Copernicus and Galileo.

    Because the contending theories then were theological/Aristotelian vs. new science, and one was clearly wrong. Today, there are more variations in interpretation so you have multiple groups with multiple theories. Plus, now, some of the 4 physical
    forces are looking to need changes or refinements at least.

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