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  • Apologising for Galileo affair

    From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 31 02:50:08 2022
    " In Galileo's time, to depict the world as lacking an absolute physical reference point was, so to speak, inconceivable. And since the cosmos, as it was then known, was contained within the solar system alone, this reference point could only be situated
    in the Earth or in the Sun Today, after Einstein and within the perspective of contemporary cosmology, neither of these two reference points has the importance they once had. This observation, it goes without saying, is not directed against the validity
    of Galileo's position in the debate; it is only meant to show that often, beyond two partial and contrasting perceptions, there exists a wider perception which includes them and goes beyond both of them." John Paul II

    There was no reason to apologise insofar as the division between Pope and Galileo was far more nuanced and involved the limits of the Ptolemaic framework through which the original heliostatic astronomers arrived at their conclusions.

    ". . . the ancient hypotheses clearly fail to account for certain important matters. For example, they do not comprehend the causes of the numbers, extents and durations of the retrogradations and of their agreeing so well with the position and mean
    motion of the sun. Copernicus alone gives an explanation to those things that provoke astonishment among other astronomers, thus destroying the source of astonishment, which lies in the ignorance of the causes." Kepler, 1596, Mysterium Cosmographicum

    The recent resolution for the direct/retrograde motions of Venus and Mercury using the central Sun as a stationary reference no longer requires an appeal to the Ptolemaic framework and its secondary use to conclude that the planets move and the Sun is
    central to all those motions.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uCtot1aDg

    On the death of the Pope today, the complex relationships remain as unattended as they did at the time of Galileo, even though a satellite tracking with the Earth resolves these important matters.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Dec 31 08:56:18 2022
    On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 3:50:10 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:

    There was no reason to apologise insofar as the division between Pope
    and Galileo was far more nuanced and involved the limits of the Ptolemaic framework through which the original heliostatic astronomers arrived at
    their conclusions.

    I cannot agree with that statement.

    It is very simple: in arresting Galileo, in placing him on trial, and in presuming
    to have the authority to subject him to punishments for the type of actions of which he was accused, the Roman Catholic Church was acting contrary to
    the Eternal Law of God.

    It exerted governmental authority without the consent of the governed obtained through fair and free democratic elections; it sought to restrict the freedom of
    speech and of the press; it sought to make of itself an established church.

    All of these things are horrible crimes.

    John Savard

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  • From Ninapenda Jibini@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Sat Dec 31 19:26:27 2022
    Quadibloc <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

    On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 3:50:10 AM UTC-7,
    [email protected] wrote:

    There was no reason to apologise insofar as the division
    between Pope and Galileo was far more nuanced and involved the
    limits of the Ptolemaic framework through which the original
    heliostatic astronomers arrived at their conclusions.

    I cannot agree with that statement.

    It is very simple: in arresting Galileo, in placing him on
    trial, and in presuming to have the authority to subject him to
    punishments for the type of actions of which he was accused, the
    Roman Catholic Church was acting contrary to the Eternal Law of
    God.

    It exerted governmental authority without the consent of the
    governed obtained through fair and free democratic elections; it
    sought to restrict the freedom of speech and of the press; it
    sought to make of itself an established church.

    None of those things existed in any meaningful way at that point in
    continental Europe. The Church *was* the government in every
    meaningful way, and Galileo challenged their authority, after being
    give no more than a slap on the wrist the first time. (Not to
    mention, the science he was supposedly prosecuted for was actually
    that of Copernicus, who declined to publish it during his lifetime
    because he knew it couldn't be proven, and because it provided less
    accurate predictions of planetary movement than the ptolemaic
    tables at the time - which was still true in Galileo's day, despite
    Galileo's work).

    You know all this, and yet you continue to spew out other people's
    lies. I guess you realize you're too fucking *stupid* to even think
    up your own lies.

    All of these things are horrible crimes.

    Less so than your instane revisionist fascist lefty history.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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  • From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 1 02:02:30 2023
    Within a number of days, the faster-moving Mercury will pass between the slower-moving Earth and the central Sun-

    https://www.theplanetstoday.com/

    Setting the Sun up as a central or absolute reference, at least for the purpose of solar system structure and relative planetary motions, is straightforward. The stars move from left to right and parallel to the orbital plane as a consequence of the
    orbital motion of the Earth thereby obviating the need for those tables that the first Sun-centred astronomers were chained to-

    https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

    Because the arc of Mercury's motion is much smaller than Venus and shows its dark hemisphere more to us, Mercury is barely visible in its nearest approach to the slower-moving Earth and eventually disappears behind the Sun's glare.

    Galileo and those original astronomers would have understood and delighted in what satellites can do.





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