• Neanderthal DNA may refute 65,000-year-old date for human occupation in

    From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 4 23:09:55 2025
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    https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/human-evolution/neanderthal-dna-may-refute-65-000-year-old-date-for-human-occupation-in-australia-but-not-all-experts-are-convinced

    Humans did not arrive in Australia 65,000 years ago,
    and likely didn't reach the land down under until
    around 50,000 years ago, a controversial new paper
    reports.

    The reasoning behind the finding is that modern
    humans didn't mate with Neanderthals until around
    50,000 years ago, but Indigenous Australians have a
    small percentage of Neanderthal DNA. So, the first
    Australians could not have arrived until after
    humans mated with Neanderthals.

    But we can't yet rule out archaeological evidence
    that places humans on the continent much earlier
    than genetic models do, other experts say.
    ...


    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/arco.70002

    Recent DNA Studies Question a 65 kya Arrival of
    Humans in Sahul

    ABSTRACT
    Recent reports present evidence of Neanderthal
    introgression among all non-African human
    populations after 50 kya. Here we trace the
    implications of this claim for Sahul history.
    If correct, ancestral Sahul populations bearing
    Neanderthal DNA must have arrived after this date.
    Such data offer no support for a purported 65 kya
    human presence on the continent.
    ...


    There is a questioning response here

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/arco.70005

    which unfortunately is in image pdf format. The
    response is short, relates that all but one Sahul
    site dates are 50kya or less and that the authors
    of the paper relied on only two genomic papers.

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Sat Jul 5 09:41:55 2025
    XPost: sci.archaeology

    On Fri, 4 Jul 2025 23:09:55 -0600
    Primum Sapienti <[email protected]d> wrote:


    https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/human-evolution/neanderthal-dna-may-refute-65-000-year-old-date-for-human-occupation-in-australia-but-not-all-experts-are-convinced

    Humans did not arrive in Australia 65,000 years ago,
    and likely didn't reach the land down under until
    around 50,000 years ago, a controversial new paper
    reports.

    The reasoning behind the finding is that modern
    humans didn't mate with Neanderthals until around
    50,000 years ago, but Indigenous Australians have a
    small percentage of Neanderthal DNA. So, the first
    Australians could not have arrived until after
    humans mated with Neanderthals.

    But we can't yet rule out archaeological evidence
    that places humans on the continent much earlier
    than genetic models do, other experts say.
    ...

    Of course not; what if the people that arrived 65,000 years ago were
    "pure" human, and a subsequent people ("contaminated" by Neaderthal genes) immigrated later than 50,000 years ago and interbred in the
    subsequent years?

    What's needed is some DNA from bones from 55,000 years ago.



    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/arco.70002

    Recent DNA Studies Question a 65 kya Arrival of
    Humans in Sahul

    ABSTRACT
    Recent reports present evidence of Neanderthal
    introgression among all non-African human
    populations after 50 kya. Here we trace the
    implications of this claim for Sahul history.
    If correct, ancestral Sahul populations bearing
    Neanderthal DNA must have arrived after this date.
    Such data offer no support for a purported 65 kya
    human presence on the continent.
    ...


    There is a questioning response here

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/arco.70005

    which unfortunately is in image pdf format. The
    response is short, relates that all but one Sahul
    site dates are 50kya or less and that the authors
    of the paper relied on only two genomic papers.


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