On 12.12.2024. 16:26, JTEM wrote:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/earliest-worship-evidence-of-35000-year- old-prehistoric-rites-found-in-northern-israel/

Evidence for spirituality, "Religious" beliefs goes back maybe
400,000 years. Mungo Man is older than is described here, and
his prepared burial certainly suggests spiritual beliefs, as
do all prepared burials.

This isn't proof of but certainly evidence for...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruniquel_Cave

So what gives?

"Bulgars" aren't Slavs, "Bulgars are Turkic tribe, which conquered
some Slav tribes (seven of them). Those Turks, just like a lot of other conquers which come from non-agricultural societies (lets say, Turks,
Vikings) adopt language, culture and religion of conquered people. Why?
Because they don't care much about their identity, their culture, their religion. Agricultural people care a lot about religion, their culture
and identity. So, strong religion goes along with agricultural,
hierarchical societies.

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On 13.12.2024. 0:09, Mario Petrinovic wrote:

On 12.12.2024. 16:26, JTEM wrote:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/earliest-worship-evidence-of-35000-year-
old-prehistoric-rites-found-in-northern-israel/

Evidence for spirituality, "Religious" beliefs goes back maybe
400,000 years. Mungo Man is older than is described here, and
his prepared burial certainly suggests spiritual beliefs, as
do all prepared burials.

This isn't proof of but certainly evidence for...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruniquel_Cave

So what gives?

        "Bulgars" aren't Slavs, "Bulgars are Turkic tribe, which conquered some Slav tribes (seven of them). Those Turks, just like a lot
of other conquers which come from non-agricultural societies (lets say, Turks, Vikings) adopt language, culture and religion of conquered
people. Why? Because they don't care much about their identity, their culture, their religion. Agricultural people care a lot about religion,
their culture and identity. So, strong religion goes along with
agricultural, hierarchical societies.

We have blade technology 500 kya. This means, sickle. This means
cereals. This means agriculture. This means strong religion.

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On 13.12.2024. 0:22, Mario Petrinovic wrote:

On 13.12.2024. 0:09, Mario Petrinovic wrote:

On 12.12.2024. 16:26, JTEM wrote:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/earliest-worship-evidence-of-35000-
year- old-prehistoric-rites-found-in-northern-israel/

Evidence for spirituality, "Religious" beliefs goes back maybe
400,000 years. Mungo Man is older than is described here, and
his prepared burial certainly suggests spiritual beliefs, as
do all prepared burials.

This isn't proof of but certainly evidence for...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruniquel_Cave

So what gives?

         "Bulgars" aren't Slavs, "Bulgars are Turkic tribe, which
conquered some Slav tribes (seven of them). Those Turks, just like a
lot of other conquers which come from non-agricultural societies (lets
say, Turks, Vikings) adopt language, culture and religion of conquered
people. Why? Because they don't care much about their identity, their
culture, their religion. Agricultural people care a lot about
religion, their culture and identity. So, strong religion goes along
with agricultural, hierarchical societies.

        We have blade technology 500 kya. This means, sickle. This means cereals. This means agriculture. This means strong religion.

This means bigger societies. This means division of labor, ie. craftsmen appeared. So, some people were doing one job, some other
people were doing some other job. The grinding of hematite was one of
those jobs, so we have centralized grinding of hematite at one place,
hence the evidence of red ochre usage.

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On 13.12.2024. 6:45, JTEM wrote:

 Mario Petrinovic wrote:

         We have blade technology 500 kya.

We had throwing spears 400,000 years ago. Blades
go back millions of years, if you want to get
technical.

The last that I heard is that blades started to occur 500 kya, and
they became common 300 kya, if I recall correctly.

This means, sickle.

That's a non sequitur.

It looks like you are confusing something. Not every sharp edge is a
blade. Blade tool is only a sickle, there is no other blade tool. Blades
have sense only as a sickle.

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On 14.12.2024. 5:34, JTEM wrote:

 Mario Petrinovic wrote:

On 13.12.2024. 6:45, JTEM wrote:

  Mario Petrinovic wrote:

         We have blade technology 500 kya.

We had throwing spears 400,000 years ago. Blades
go back millions of years, if you want to get
technical.

         The last that I heard is that blades started to occur 500 >> kya, and they became common 300 kya, if I recall correctly.

It's kind of funny how a chimp banging something with a rock
is "a tool" but early Homo (or even pre homo) BREAKING rocks
to produce sharp flakes for cutting isn't a "Blade."

They were sharp and used for cutting!

Put another way:  How far back do CUT MARKS go?

Cut marks == blade

No?

I say yes, and your blades go back 3 million years plus, but
some evidence.

         It looks like you are confusing something. Not every sharp >> edge is a blade. Blade tool is only a sickle, there is no other blade
tool. Blades have sense only as a sickle.

A "Blade" is a "Tool" with a sharp edge used for cutting.

A knife is sickle, a and a sickle is knife. No, it isn't.

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On 15.12.2024. 11:17, JTEM wrote:

On 12/14/24 9:01 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:

A "Blade" is a "Tool" with a sharp edge used for cutting.

         A knife is sickle, a and a sickle is knife. No, it isn't.

A knife is a blade, a sickle is a blade or blades.

So, who cares. The important is, what those "blades" are doing. And it
is obvious that those blades that emerged in the times that I mentioned,
are working as sickles, because there is no reason to manufacture those
things for some other reason. With your short "blades" that you are
mentioning, you can cut only one stem at the time. This isn't efficient.
You have to cut a bunch of cereal stems in one movement, and for this
you need to have long blades.

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