• Evolution, Bipedalism, and Precision Throwing in Hominids

    From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 28 23:31:05 2024
    http://www.ijlera.com/papers/v9-i6/3.202406681A.pdf
    International Journal of Latest Engineering
    Research and Applications (IJLERA) ISSN: 2455-7137
    Volume – 09, Issue – 06, June 2024, PP – 15-21


    Abstract:
    The evolution of powerful and precise throwing
    developed a means of defense and attack that
    enabled hominins to colonize the savanna,
    occupy a new ecological niche, and become
    hunter-gatherers, essentially becoming humans.
    The first achievement occurred when the
    bipedalism and hand structure of
    Australopithecus allowed for throwing that
    was powerful and precise enough to defend
    against predators when venturing into open
    fields to exploit resources. Subsequently,
    the precision grip and more complex motor
    skills in H. habilis developed throwing as a
    means to compete, at least occasionally, for
    carrion with savanna predators, similar to
    how Hadza women use wooden digging sticks to
    drive off a leopard from its fresh kill.
    Finally, H. ergaster specialized in throwing,
    acquiring the most favorable anthropometry
    for maximum performance, with modifications
    in the glenohumeral joint, longer legs,
    shorter forearms, and optimal weight and
    height, which made it a hunter-gatherer of
    the savanna and its Homo descendants
    colonizers of all the Earth's emergent lands.


    "The powerful one-handed throwing of
    relatively light objects reaches its
    pinnacle in athletic competitions, where we
    see burly men and women throwing javelins,
    hammers, discs, or shots to record distances
    unmatched by any other animal. This ability
    is unique to Homo sapiens, as no other
    animal can perform this action with such
    power."

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 29 17:36:52 2024
    Op 29-07-2024 om 07:31 schreef Primum Sapienti:

    http://www.ijlera.com/papers/v9-i6/3.202406681A.pdf
    International Journal of Latest Engineering
    Research and Applications (IJLERA) ISSN: 2455-7137
    Volume – 09, Issue – 06, June 2024, PP – 15-21


    Abstract:
    The evolution of powerful and precise throwing
    developed a means of defense and attack that
    enabled hominins to colonize the savanna,
    occupy a new ecological niche, and become
    hunter-gatherers, essentially becoming humans.
    The first achievement occurred when the
    bipedalism and hand structure of
    Australopithecus allowed for throwing that
    was powerful and precise enough to defend
    against predators when venturing into open
    fields to exploit resources. Subsequently,
    the precision grip and more complex motor
    skills in H. habilis developed throwing as a
    means to compete, at least occasionally, for
    carrion with savanna predators, similar to
    how Hadza women use wooden digging sticks to
    drive off a leopard from its fresh kill.
    Finally, H. ergaster specialized in throwing,
    acquiring the most favorable anthropometry
    for maximum performance, with modifications
    in the glenohumeral joint, longer legs,
    shorter forearms, and optimal weight and
    height, which made it a hunter-gatherer of
    the savanna and its Homo descendants
    colonizers of all the Earth's emergent lands.


    "The powerful one-handed throwing of
    relatively light objects reaches its
    pinnacle in athletic competitions, where we
    see burly men and women throwing javelins,
    hammers, discs, or shots to record distances
    unmatched by any other animal. This ability
    is unique to Homo sapiens, as no other
    animal can perform this action with such
    power."

    Psst, don't mention the savanna hypothesis.

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to JTEM on Sun Aug 4 13:34:31 2024
    On 4.8.2024. 0:09, JTEM wrote:
     Primum Sapienti wrote:
    The evolution of powerful and precise throwing
    developed a means of defense and attack that
    enabled hominins to colonize the savanna,
    occupy a new ecological niche, and become
    hunter-gatherers, essentially becoming humans.

    Are we pretending that a savanna environment is what
    typifies Homo?

    This is literally dogma. One sentence in and we have
    a massive circular "Argument" posed in the defense of
    Out of Africa purity.

    And you wonder why all the intelligent people have
    abandoned it?

    I was thinking about African savanna lately. As I am seeing it, African Savanna (as compared to Euro-Asian steppe, which, of course
    formed only after the last glacial period, I presume) could form only
    because of being depleted of people. Savanna, simply, is too far inland
    from the sources of salt. But, savanna, originally, emerged in Europe,
    north Mediterranean, Vallesian crisis (officially 9.75 mya, I just
    glanced through Agusti at al. 2013 paper about the subject, but I see
    that they found such environment, with Hipparion horses, 11.5 mya, in
    Vienna basin). Bipedal apes emerged in the very same environment.

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to JTEM on Mon Aug 5 03:24:42 2024
    On 4.8.2024. 21:30, JTEM wrote:
     Mario Petrinovic wrote:
             I was thinking about African savanna lately. As I am seeing >> it, African Savanna (as compared to Euro-Asian steppe, which, of
    course formed only after the last glacial period, I presume) could
    form only because of being depleted of people. Savanna, simply, is too
    far inland from the sources of salt. But, savanna, originally, emerged
    in Europe, north Mediterranean, Vallesian crisis (officially 9.75 mya,
    I just glanced through Agusti at al. 2013 paper about the subject, but
    I see that they found such environment, with Hipparion horses, 11.5
    mya, in Vienna basin). Bipedal apes emerged in the very same environment.

    Ridiculous!

    The savanna is the least capable of supporting biodiversity.

    The population is at it's smallest on the savanna. There's much higher biodiversity in the forest. Any population that learned to exploit the
    sea, and I don't even mean they had to build fishing polls here, could support an even higher population density/biodiversity than could the
    forest.

    You can argue something of a reverse selection, where a shift to the
    savanna put enormous pressures on a population, because it couldn't
    support as many mouths to feed, so any little advantage could
    persevere. But if that's half the answer than it's the smaller half,
    as it doesn't move our ancestors across the globe or grow them larger brains...

    I don't know what you are talking about, of course jungle has higher
    diversity, it isn't the problem in diversity. It is the problem that I
    have hard time to find in Euroasia wild animals that we have in savanna.
    They are all domesticated. Compare zebras to horses. In Asia even
    elephants are domesticated.
    See this:
    India (subcontinent) - 1,710,000 sq miles, 1.9 million people, GDP per
    capita roughly the same as in Africa
    Africa (continent) - 11,730,000 sq miles, 1.4 million people, GDP per
    capita $ 2,180
    Europe (continent) - 3,930,000 sq miles, 0.75 million people, GDP per
    capita $ 34,230
    I would think about this.

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to JTEM on Mon Aug 5 05:40:02 2024
    On 5.8.2024. 4:41, JTEM wrote:
     Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    of course jungle has higher diversity, it isn't the problem in diversity.

    Actually, it is. Because the most common result of heavy
    "Natural" pressures is extinction. A population has to have
    the genetic capacity -- diversity -- to change, adapt. If
    it lacks it, which in the vast majority of cases it does,
    it goes extinct.

    Adapt to what? Every animal is adapted to niche. A jaguar will not
    adapt to eat grass. There is a niche in nature. See fossa. Animals
    speciate. Like, we have tigers in India, and lions in Africa. We also
    have mountain lions. Mountain lions adapted to cold places, did this
    make lions extinct? I can explain my views on sabre toothed cats (which
    went extinct once humans got boats), but you will not believe me.

    It is the problem that I have hard time to find in Euroasia wild
    animals that we have in savanna.

    So?

    They are all domesticated.

    What happened, and continues to happen today is that domesticated
    pigs escape, go feral, and breed with the wild boars. This does
    not stop. It's a slow trickle (sometimes a very fast trickle) of
    DNA from the domesticated pig over time. It's not an all at once
    replacement, or it wasn't, but it was a replacement of sorts.

    Compare zebras to horses. In Asia even elephants are domesticated.

    Now you're getting into the arguments of racists. Well the truth
    is that African elephants tend to be more aggressive than Eurasian,
    harder to tame. I've read it claimed that Mammoths were likely as
    aggressive as African elephants, at least the males. Which may
    be why they were never domesticated.

    It is not only elephants, it is a lot of animals. The situation in
    India and Africa is completely different, it isn't the same. After all,
    see tigers and lions. See zebras and horses. You say zebras are more
    aggressive than horses. Of course, horses are domesticated.

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to JTEM on Mon Aug 5 12:15:11 2024
    On 5.8.2024. 7:08, JTEM wrote:
     Mario Petrinovic wrote:
             Adapt to what? Every animal is adapted to niche. A jaguar >> will not adapt to eat grass.

    Common Descent means that the common ancestor to the jaguar and the
    goat did adapt to eat one or the other.

    The goat eats grass, the jaguar eats meat... what did their LCA eat?

    There is a niche in nature.

    And the better adapted to that niche, the more vulnerable to changes.

    The better matched to a niche, the more likely a population will go
    extinct if changes are introduced.

    Of course. But until the change, the better matched to niche will thrive.
    The goat eats grass, because there is grass, the jaguar eats meat
    because there is meat. Some animal will adapt to eat plastic, because
    there is plastic. One day, when grass cease to exist, goats will cease
    to exist, but an animal which eats both, grass and meat, will survive.
    If there is such an animal. Yet, will it survive, since then we will
    only have meat, and the animals which are adapted to eating meat will do
    better than an animal which eats both, meat and grass? Thee advantage of generalist is in some other fields of logic, like they can occupy larger
    space, because they can occupy more niches. So, it isn't strange that
    big bears are generalists, they do need big areas.
    So, things are far more complex than looking at the just one line of
    logical progression.
    But, when, exactly, grass ceased to exist? In the time of dinosaurs,
    per my view, they did lost their food (fern), in the case of mammoths
    they did lost their food (herbs). We are adapted to live on Earth, once
    the Earth is gone, we will cease to exist. There is nothing wrong with
    all this. Generalists thrive less, but they do survive. So, it is a
    sorry life, but a surviving one. Big deal. I would rather thrive while I
    am alive, generalists die regularly also, they don't live forever. Even
    if humans would eventually (of course, they will not) conquer the whole Universe, I will still die in a few decades, so, who cares. Should I be
    a generalist, and live my sorry life, just so that some other member of
    my species survive? Well, I will not survive for sure, I will die, just
    like every animal dies. Should I live a sorry generalist's life, or
    should I thrive and enjoy my life? It will be hard for the members of my species when the time of extinctions comes, but hey, at least they will
    enjoy their lives up till that moment.

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