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    From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 5 14:06:56 2021
    https://slideplayer.com/slide/13871145/

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Nov 5 21:22:18 2021
    [email protected] wrote:
    https://slideplayer.com/slide/13871145/

    I like to point out that, given the present nomenclature where humans are
    apes, we need to always refer to Chimps as humans seeing how they
    evolved from upright walking ancestors who in all probability used tools
    in a way people only pretend that Chimps do.

    Put short: Chimps arose FROM our line, not the other way around.

    And when we talk about bipedalism in paleo terms, we're really talking
    about changes to the anatomy such as placement of the foramen
    magnum, which has to move towards the center of the skull to be held
    upright, but is further back on chimps than we find on any candidate
    for a Chimpanzee ancestor.

    Chimps can stand on their legs. Chimps can even walk upright. But, the
    foramen magnum is still located much closer to the back of the skull than
    found on humans and it's own distant ancestors. It's clearly NOT a bipedal species. It has evolved AWAY from bipedal locomotion and to knuckle
    walking.




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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 6 03:19:55 2021
    Op zaterdag 6 november 2021 om 05:22:18 UTC+1 schreef I Envy JTEM:

    https://slideplayer.com/slide/13871145/

    I like to point out that, given the present nomenclature where humans are apes, we need to always refer to Chimps as humans seeing how they
    evolved from upright walking ancestors who in all probability used tools
    in a way people only pretend that Chimps do.

    All apes had vertical ancestors, google our TREE paper "aquarboreal apes".

    Put short: Chimps arose FROM our line, not the other way around.

    No: both Pan & Homo evolved from aquarboreal (stone-tool-using?) ancestors.

    And when we talk about bipedalism in paleo terms, we're really talking
    about changes to the anatomy such as placement of the foramen
    magnum, which has to move towards the center of the skull to be held
    upright, but is further back on chimps than we find on any candidate
    for a Chimpanzee ancestor.

    Neandertals had the For.M more dorsally than we have:
    our fully upright wading-walking locomotion is only late-Pleistocene?

    Chimps can stand on their legs. Chimps can even walk upright. But, the foramen magnum is still located much closer to the back of the skull than found on humans and it's own distant ancestors. It's clearly NOT a bipedal species. It has evolved AWAY from bipedal locomotion and to knuckle
    walking.

    Yes, that's what we're saying for ages, google our TREE paper "aquarboreal apes"..
    KWing evolved in parallel in Gorilla//Pan.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 7 13:38:32 2021
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    Neandertals had the For.M more dorsally than we have:

    From FRONT to center, yes, but not from the back.

    :-D
    Don't you understand "dorsal"?

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Nov 7 13:23:15 2021
    [email protected] wrote:

    schreef I Envy JTEM:

    I like to point out that, given the present nomenclature where humans are apes, we need to always refer to Chimps as humans seeing how they
    evolved from upright walking ancestors who in all probability used tools
    in a way people only pretend that Chimps do.

    All apes had vertical ancestors, google our TREE paper "aquarboreal apes".

    Dude, *Way* ahead of you here. My point wasn't that there's anything unique about Chimps, it was about the nomenclature.

    Put short: Chimps arose FROM our line, not the other way around.

    No: both Pan & Homo evolved from aquarboreal (stone-tool-using?) ancestors.

    No. Pan might not even exist outside of a popular grouping.

    There's a legitimate argument to be made to do away with Pan, group
    them under Homo. A different SPECIES of Homo but still Homo.

    Neandertals had the For.M more dorsally than we have:

    From FRONT to center, yes, but not from the back. But, interestingly, I have pointed out in the past that Neanderthal anatomy is far better suited for climbing than is our own. And that ambush hunting is not only plausible
    but would explain why throwing spears appear to vanish from the
    archeological record for 200 to 300 thousand years.

    our fully upright wading-walking locomotion is only late-Pleistocene?

    Humans were even less of "A" thing back then than they are today. They
    were ethnic/racial divergence gone wild, by our standards, different populations adapting to different environments.

    Modern humans are a hybrid,





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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 7 14:10:12 2021
    Op zondag 7 november 2021 om 22:49:52 UTC+1 schreef I Envy JTEM:

    Don't you understand "dorsal"?

    Which is not accurate from the standard use of the word.

    It is.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Nov 7 13:49:52 2021
    [email protected] wrote:

    Don't you understand "dorsal"?

    Which is not accurate from the standard use of the word.

    The foreman magnum on a Neanderthal isn't closer to the
    back of the skull, it's further away from the front. This is
    very different from the movement we see in Chimps where
    the foreman magnum is a good deal closer to the back
    than is found on humans or their own ancestors.





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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 22 02:30:40 2023
    https://youtu.be/sHX4iu4kLtk

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