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  • Re: Widespread evidence for elephant exploitation by Last Interglacial

    From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Sun Feb 4 22:14:00 2024
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    We have recently learned that around 125,000 years
    ago, hunting of straight-tusked elephants, the largest
    terrestrial mammals of the Pleistocene, was part of
    the Neanderthal behavioral repertoire, for several
    dozens of generations. This knowledge is based on
    data from one lake-side location in northern Europe
    only, and hence possibly of limited value for our
    knowledge of the Neanderthal niche. This new study
    presents data from two other, contemporaneous sites
    on the North European plain, demonstrating that
    elephant exploitation was a widespread phenomenon
    there. The sheer quantities of food generated by the
    butchering activities, aimed at extensive exploitation
    of the carcasses, suggest that Neanderthals had some
    form of food preservation and/or at least temporarily
    operated in larger groups than commonly acknowledged.

    Scavenging.

    They did both. Why not? mv thinks all animals that
    early hominids had drowned.

    Why not?

    Seems incredibly obvious yet nobody wants to so much
    as entertain the possibility.

    Oh? Even carnivores are not above scavenging. No
    one turns up a free meal.

    Everything dies. Not everything is killed. And even if an
    elephant or a mammoth isn't killed it still eventually dies.

    If a population is stable then roughly one dies for every
    one that is born. Roughly.

    Not true. What about a creature that has muliple young?

    And you're into the putrid meat thing so, who cares if
    they didn't find it under a week later?

    "didn't find it under a week later"?

    See earlier posts on this

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/0wIt0CHkcXI/m/XJIWJF8lAQAJ

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/mCotqCTMgAk/m/b6YcKnc-BgAJ

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Tue Feb 20 20:13:03 2024
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Scavenging.

    They did both.

    Maybe.

    They had to hunt. Northern latitudes get colder in
    winter. They need food and shelter. Do you expect
    they chopped holes in ice to get fish or clams?

    Hint - hunters/gatherers

    You cannot exploit cold climes without hunting.

    Why not?

    Wrong question.

    Wrong answer.

    Seems incredibly obvious yet nobody wants to so much
    as entertain the possibility.

    Oh? Even carnivores are not above scavenging.

    Yet YOU and YOUR CITE say it was hunting. Not scavenging.

    Yet YOU say they couldn't hunt!

    No
    one turns up a free meal.

    And yet your cite says, "Oh! They ate an elephant. That means
    they hunted them."

    And yet up make up quotes!

    Everything dies. Not everything is killed. And even if an
    elephant or a mammoth isn't killed it still eventually dies.

    If a population is stable then roughly one dies for every
    one that is born. Roughly.

    Not true.

    Of course it's true. It would be either growing or shrinking if
    it weren't.

    Never heard of twins?

    What about a creature that has muliple young?

    If it's a stable population then roughly one dies for every one
    born, exactly like I already said.

    By that "logic", how do they reacha stable population
    without growing?


    And thank you for the cites. Totally random, as always. No
    apparent connect to any point you're attempting to make or
    refute, as usual.

    You wrote
    "And you're into the putrid meat thing so, who cares if
    they didn't find it under a week later? "

    So here they are again:

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/0wIt0CHkcXI/m/XJIWJF8lAQAJ "Putrid meat was quite likely on the menu"


    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/mCotqCTMgAk/m/b6YcKnc-BgAJ Indigenous groups relish(ed) rotted meat


    A free meal is not passed up. GO back to film school.

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