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  • Neanderthals may have made flour - plant food processing in Italy befor

    From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 1 22:55:09 2023
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    New evidence of plant food processing in Italy before 40ka
    May 2023

    Abstract
    Evidence of plant food processing is a significant
    indicator of the human ability to exploit environmental
    resources. The recovery of starch grains associated
    with use-wear on Palaeolithic grinding tools offers
    proof of a specific technology for making flour among
    Pleistocene hunter-gatherers. Here we present the
    analysis of five grindstones from two Italian sites,
    Riparo Bombrini and Grotta di Castelcivita, both
    inhabited during a crucial phase spanning the decline
    of the Neanderthals and the establishment of Sapiens.
    The recovery of starch grains on a Mousterian grindstone
    at Bombrini suggests that the last Neanderthals not only
    consumed and processed plants but also made flour
    43-41,000 years ago. Starch grains attributable to
    Triticeae on Protoaurignacian grindstones at both sites
    testify that Sapiens were processing wild cereals at
    least 41,500-36,500 years ago when they expanded into
    Eurasia, long before the dawn of agriculture. These new
    data suggest a profound knowledge of available plant
    resources in both human groups.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 2 02:38:33 2023
    Yes, "agriculture" (Hs, not Hn) may well have been earlier than usu.thought:

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    New evidence of plant food processing in Italy before 40ka
    May 2023 - Abstract
    Evidence of plant food processing is a significant
    indicator of the human ability to exploit environmental
    resources. The recovery of starch grains associated
    with use-wear on Palaeolithic grinding tools offers
    proof of a specific technology for making flour among
    Pleistocene hunter-gatherers. Here we present the
    analysis of five grindstones from two Italian sites,
    Riparo Bombrini and Grotta di Castelcivita, both
    inhabited during a crucial phase spanning the decline
    of the Neanderthals and the establishment of Sapiens.
    The recovery of starch grains on a Mousterian grindstone
    at Bombrini suggests that the last Neanderthals not only
    consumed and processed plants but also made flour
    43-41,000 years ago. Starch grains attributable to
    Triticeae on Protoaurignacian grindstones at both sites
    testify that Sapiens were processing wild cereals at
    least 41,500-36,500 years ago when they expanded into
    Eurasia, long before the dawn of agriculture. These new
    data suggest a profound knowledge of available plant
    resources in both human groups.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 2 20:09:19 2023
    I can try telling you, but we both know you, um, your "Condition" cannot
    allow discussion, however...

    It's too new. Cro Magnon was on the scene, and we don't have real
    science, real journalism anymore.

    https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/sciadv.abj9496

    Same problem with the lack of actual science and journalism, I know,
    but it does illustrate the fact that your claims are inconsistent with
    other claims.





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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Fri Aug 11 22:39:07 2023
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:

    I can try telling you, but we both know you, um, your "Condition" cannot allow discussion, however...

    It's too new. Cro Magnon was on the scene, and we don't have real
    science, real journalism anymore.

    https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/sciadv.abj9496

    Same problem with the lack of actual science and journalism, I know,
    but it does illustrate the fact that your claims are inconsistent with
    other claims.

    Your condition prevents you from knowing the difference
    between France and Italy.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Tue Aug 15 14:25:03 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Your

    We'll back it up because you missed it:

    It's too new. You say "Neanderthals" but Cro Magnon was already on
    the scene, and had been for a very long time. It's unlikely that any
    true Neanderthals existed then, if they ever had. They would have
    been all hybrids at best.





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