• Australopiths = Aquarboreal Ancestors of African Apes

    From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 31 04:21:11 2023
    Google
    "aquarboreal"
    "gondwana bonne verhaegen"
    :-)

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed May 31 17:33:19 2023
    [email protected] wrote:
    Google
    "aquarboreal"
    "gondwana bonne verhaegen"
    :-)

    I honestly do like your idea that Australopithecus is the
    ancestor to apes. This may be slightly related to the fact
    that it's 100% in line with my idea that humans invented
    Chimpanzees.

    Australopithecus was a successful "species"... genus?

    It spread wide, apparently entered a number of environments,
    niches. So it does fit my model for the invention of chimps
    where Homo out competed with the -- likely at it -- until there
    reached a point where only the forest population survived.

    I never bothered with pinning a name on whatever species
    (genus) this happened with but, my model fits yours like a
    glove. So, yeah, I like it.

    Not sure if the JTEM Seal of Approval is a blessing or a
    curse but, for what it's worth...



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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 1 15:18:17 2023
    Op donderdag 1 juni 2023 om 02:33:20 UTC+2 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:
    [email protected] wrote:

    Google
    "aquarboreal"
    "gondwana bonne verhaegen"
    :-)

    I honestly do like your idea that Australopithecus is the
    ancestor to apes.

    :-) I didn't say that "Australopithecus" is ancestral to the African apes: Pan is a closer relative of Homo than Gorilla is, IOW, australopiths are "paraphyletic":
    australopiths are not 1 group of very closely related animals, but we have 2 groups (genera):
    Gorilla a'piths evolved independently but in parallel with Pan a'piths, IOW, the word "australopithecine" is wrong:
    detailed comparisons leave no doubt IMO:
    E.Afr.a'piths Gorilla fossil subgenus Praeanthropus (as I'd call it) evolved in parallel with S.Afr.a'piths Pan fossil subgenus Australopithecus,
    e.g. late-Pliocene afarensis//africanus --> early-Pleistocene boisei//robustus.
    This makes it somewhat difficult for some people...
    In short: IMO (see my Hum.Evol.papers etc.),
    - late-Miocene hominids HPG still lived in Red Sea forests, google "aquarboreal",
    - 8 or 7 Ma Gorilla-Praeanthropus split off & followed the northern-Rift-->Afar: afarensis --> boisei --> gorillas.
    - 5.33 Ma the Zanclean mega-flood opnened the Red Sea into the Gulf/Aden (dixit Francesca Mansfield):
    -- Pliocene Homo went left initially --> S.Asian coastal forests --> early-Pleist.H.erectus shellfish-diving ("aq.ape"),
    -- Pliocene Pan went right --> E.Afr.coastal forests --> southern-Rift --> Pan-Australopith.africanus --> robustus --> chimps+bonobos.

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    This may be slightly related to the fact
    that it's 100% in line with my idea that humans invented
    Chimpanzees.
    Australopithecus was a successful "species"... genus?
    It spread wide, apparently entered a number of environments,
    niches. So it does fit my model for the invention of chimps
    where Homo out competed with the -- likely at it -- until there
    reached a point where only the forest population survived.
    I never bothered with pinning a name on whatever species
    (genus) this happened with but, my model fits yours like a
    glove. So, yeah, I like it.

    Not sure if the JTEM Seal of Approval is a blessing or a
    curse but, for what it's worth...

    :-)

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