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  • Danish labs working on getting naledi DNA?

    From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 11 22:50:09 2023
    Popular press stuff. Just teases at this point.

    https://subspecieist.com/paleoanthropology/homo-naledi-dna/
    January 24, 2023

    Homo naledi DNA recovered at lab in Denmark?
    Lee Berger promises major announcements including Homo
    naledi DNA and possible culture for the hominin species
    within the next 6 months.

    Dr. Berger is the Phillip Tobias Chair of the Evolutionary
    Anthropology Department at the University of Witwatersrand
    in Johannesburg, South Africa.
    ...


    https://worldofpaleoanthropology.org/2023/04/09/homo-naledi-on-its-way-to-copenhagen/
    Homo naledi on its way to Copenhagen?

    ...
    That’s why Professor Berger recently flew to Copenhagen,
    Denmark, to conduct some tests on some of the Homo naledi
    fossils. He hopes to find out more about their genetics,
    their diet, their health, and their relationship to other
    human ancestors.

    Copenhagen is home to one of the world’s leading
    laboratories for ancient DNA analysis. Here, researchers
    have successfully extracted genetic material from
    800,000-year-old fossils of Homo antecessor, another
    extinct human relative in Europe.
    ...
    Dr. Berger will collaborate with experts from the Globe
    Institute at the University of Copenhagen. This institute
    has a state-of-the-art laboratory specializing in ancient
    DNA and proteomics, which studies proteins. The
    researchers there have successfully extracted DNA and
    proteins from other ancient human fossils, such as Homo
    antecessor, which lived about 800,000 years ago in Spain.
    ...

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 11 22:59:20 2023
    We've long since achieved critical mass. It's difficult to
    believe ANYTHING they say about Naledi. It was always
    insane, and since then it took a turn for the worst.

    You can't feed us wheel barrels full of bullshit for years
    on end, only to expect people who think to believe you
    now...

    Oh, sure, you'll lap up anything they piss on you. I'm
    talking about people who ignore the headlines, ignore
    the claims and come to their own conclusions.






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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 12 01:56:17 2023
    Op woensdag 12 april 2023 om 07:59:23 UTC+2 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:
    We've long since achieved critical mass. It's difficult to
    believe ANYTHING they say about Naledi. It was always
    insane, and since then it took a turn for the worst.
    You can't feed us wheel barrels full of bullshit for years
    on end, only to expect people who think to believe you
    now...
    Oh, sure, you'll lap up anything they piss on you. I'm
    talking about people who ignore the headlines, ignore
    the claims and come to their own conclusions.

    My impressions on naledi FWIW, google "naledi verhaegen", e.g.
    No “mystery” & not “Homo naledi” but “Pan naledi”?

    Naledi has probably more to do with chimp or bonobo than with human evolution. Not only is naledi far too late (c 250 ka) & too bonobo-like,
    but all its human-like traits (esp.full plantigrady) are not uniquely human-derived, but primitive-hominid
    (“hominid” sensu Gorilla-Homo-Pan-australopiths, vs “pongid” orangutan + fossil relatives),
    e.g. chimps (Pan) before birth have more humanlike feet wich near birth become more handlike.

    Naledi fossilized in mud-stone (which forms in +-stagnant water),
    its curved handbones indicate frequent vertical climbing,
    its full plantigrady (opposite of ostrich or kangaroo) contradicts frequent running:
    they obviously lived in wetlands & swamp forests:
    they waded bipedally like lowland-gorillas & bonobos (in search of waterlilies or papyrus sedges or so), but much more frequently.
    Naledi was no tool-maker more than chimps,
    they were no savanna-runners as prof.Berger wants us to believe,
    and they certainly did not bury their dead in caves as he anthropocentrically thinks:
    naledi simply died where they lived, and erosion brought their remains into the caves.

    IOW, I "predict":
    naledi's DNA will be chimp- or bonobo-like, different from human DNA, and even more different from gorilla DNA.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 12 11:22:38 2023
    https://subspecieist.com/paleoanthropology/homo-naledi-dna/
    January 24, 2023

    Thanks. Within 6 month, we'll know:
    not Homo, of course, but Pan or Australopithecus naledi.



    Homo naledi DNA recovered at lab in Denmark?
    Lee Berger promises major announcements including Homo
    naledi DNA and possible culture for the hominin species
    within the next 6 months.

    Dr. Berger is the Phillip Tobias Chair of the Evolutionary
    Anthropology Department at the University of Witwatersrand
    in Johannesburg, South Africa.
    ...

    https://worldofpaleoanthropology.org/2023/04/09/homo-naledi-on-its-way-to-copenhagen/
    Homo naledi on its way to Copenhagen?

    ...
    That’s why Professor Berger recently flew to Copenhagen,
    Denmark, to conduct some tests on some of the Homo naledi
    fossils. He hopes to find out more about their genetics,
    their diet, their health, and their relationship to other
    human ancestors.

    Copenhagen is home to one of the world’s leading
    laboratories for ancient DNA analysis. Here, researchers
    have successfully extracted genetic material from
    800,000-year-old fossils of Homo antecessor, another
    extinct human relative in Europe.
    ...
    Dr. Berger will collaborate with experts from the Globe
    Institute at the University of Copenhagen. This institute
    has a state-of-the-art laboratory specializing in ancient
    DNA and proteomics, which studies proteins. The
    researchers there have successfully extracted DNA and
    proteins from other ancient human fossils, such as Homo
    antecessor, which lived about 800,000 years ago in Spain.
    ...

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Apr 12 14:46:53 2023
    [email protected] wrote:

    Thanks. Within 6 month, we'll know:
    not Homo, of course, but Pan or Australopithecus naledi.

    That's my problem: We can never know. They have shoveled so
    much bullshit on Naledi that I simply can't trust these guys.

    I can't.





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