Now I'm on record stating that I'm the very last person
to pee myself over a tooth but, for the benefit of those
who cling to these things like a drowning man to a life
preserver...

So National Geographic absolutely ROTS as a cite but
here's this:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/ancient-teeth-found-germany-dont-rewrite-human-history-science

In the highly likely event you can't even read that one, here's
another URL:

https://www.sciencealert.com/ancient-teeth-rewrite-human-history-9-7-million-year-old-mystery

The claim is that the tooth -- teeth, it seems -- compare to
Ardipithecus or Australopithecus, only they're *Way* older
than anything found in Africa... almost 10 million years old.

Speaking of old, this is a 2017 story. Obviously it's not something
that resonated.

But I'm raising it, because although it's too old for any of us
other than the good Doctor, it's interesting.




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Op donderdag 26 januari 2023 om 08:41:29 UTC+1 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:

Now I'm on record stating that I'm the very last person
to pee myself over a tooth but, for the benefit of those
who cling to these things like a drowning man to a life
preserver...
So National Geographic absolutely ROTS as a cite but
here's this: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/ancient-teeth-found-germany-dont-rewrite-human-history-science
In the highly likely event you can't even read that one, here's
another URL: https://www.sciencealert.com/ancient-teeth-rewrite-human-history-9-7-million-year-old-mystery
The claim is that the tooth -- teeth, it seems -- compare to
Ardipithecus or Australopithecus, only they're *Way* older
than anything found in Africa... almost 10 million years old.
Speaking of old, this is a 2017 story. Obviously it's not something
that resonated.
But I'm raising it, because although it's too old for any of us
other than the good Doctor, it's interesting.

A new great ape with startling resemblances to African members of the hominin tribe, excavated from the Mid-Vallesian Dinotheriensande of Eppelsheim. First report (Hominoidea, Miocene, MN 9, Proto-Rhine River, Germany) 2017 Herbert Lutz cs
In Sept.2016, 2 teeth of an up to now undescribed hominoid have been uncovered from sediments of the Proto-Rhine River (Dinotheriensande) & of 25 mammals of various systematic positions. Together with other finds from Eppelsheim & Wissberg (18 km away),
these are the northern-most occurrences of Miocene primates in Europe. Both teeth (the crowns of an upper left canine & an upper right 1st molar) are exceptionally well-preserved, and obviously come from the same body of unknown sex. Their
sedimentological environment & the accompanying faunal elements point to an age shortly before the Mid-Vallesian crisis, c 9.7 Ma. While the molar shares characters with various other taxa, the canine reveals intriguingly potential hominin affinities:
its lingual outline is clearly diamond-shaped; its ratio of lingual Ht/mesiodistal length is within the range of Au.afarensis, Ardip.ramidus, kadabba & females of Pan troglodytes. The rel.size of the canine (the ratio of the buccal Hts of C & M1) is
similar to Dryopithecus sp., Ankarapith.meteai , Ardip.ramidus. Both, reduced size & shape of the canine likely indicate: the new species from Eppelsheim had lost a honing (C/p3) complex already c 9.7 Ma. From all infm gathered up to now, the question
arises:is the newly discovered Eppelsheim species related to members of the African hominin tribe?

Hominids-dryopiths lived all around the Med.Sea (e.g. BP footprints Trachilos c 6 Ma) + Eur.rivers, but died out 6-5 Ma (cooling? mega-flood? ...?), only those in the Red Sea survived:
-Gorilla fossil Praeanthr.afarensis->boisei followed the N-Rift,
-when de Red Sea opened into the Gulf (5.33 Ma? Francesca Mansfield), Pan went right (E.Afr.coastal forests -> S-Rift -> Au.africanus->robustus // Gorilla) & Homo went left:
Pliocene Homo followed the S.Asian coasts ->H.erectus Java etc.
Simple, no? :-)
See my book pp.299-300.

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[email protected] wrote:

Op donderdag 26 januari 2023 om 08:41:29 UTC+1 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:

Now I'm on record stating that I'm the very last person
to pee myself over a tooth but, for the benefit of those
who cling to these things like a drowning man to a life
preserver...
So National Geographic absolutely ROTS as a cite but
here's this:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/ancient-teeth-found-germany-dont-rewrite-human-history-science
In the highly likely event you can't even read that one, here's
another URL:
https://www.sciencealert.com/ancient-teeth-rewrite-human-history-9-7-million-year-old-mystery
The claim is that the tooth -- teeth, it seems -- compare to
Ardipithecus or Australopithecus, only they're *Way* older
than anything found in Africa... almost 10 million years old.
Speaking of old, this is a 2017 story. Obviously it's not something
that resonated.
But I'm raising it, because although it's too old for any of us
other than the good Doctor, it's interesting.

A new great ape with startling resemblances to African members of the hominin tribe, excavated from the Mid-Vallesian Dinotheriensande of Eppelsheim. First report (Hominoidea, Miocene, MN 9, Proto-Rhine River,

The link and the REAL abstract

https://carta.anthropogeny.org/libraries/bibliography/new-great-ape-startling-resemblances-african-members-hominin-tribe-excavated

A new great ape with startling resemblances to African members
of the hominin tribe, excavated from the Mid-Vallesian
Dinotheriensande of Eppelsheim. First report (Hominoidea,
Miocene, MN 9, Proto-Rhine River, Germany)

Abstract
In September 2016, two teeth of an up to now undescribed
member of the Hominoidea have been uncovered from
sediments of the Proto-Rhine River near Eppelsheim,
Germany, the type locality for the Eppelsheim Formation
(i. e. Dinotheriensande) and of 25 mammals of various
systematic positions. Together with other finds from
Eppelsheim and the Wissberg location, which is only 18 km
away, these are the northernmost occurrences of Miocene
primates in Europe. Both teeth, the crowns of an upper
left canine and an upper right first molar, are
exceptionally well preserved and obviously come from the
same body of unknown sex. Their sedimentological
environment and the accompanying faunal elements point to
an age shortly before the Mid-Vallesian crisis at ca.
9.7 Ma. While the molar shares characters with various
other taxa, the canine reveals intriguingly potential
hominin affinities: its lingual outline is clearly
diamond-shaped; its ratio of lingual height / mesiodistal
length is within the range of Australopithecus afarensis,
Ardipithecus ramidus, Ardipithecus kadabba, and females
of Pan troglodytes. The relative size of the canine,
i. e. the ratio of the buccal heights of C and M1, is
similar to those of e.g. Dryopithecus sp., Ankarapithecus
meteai but also Ardipithecus ramidus. Both, reduced size
and shape of the canine likely indicate that the new
species from Eppelsheim had lost a honing (C/p3) complex
already ca. 9.7 Ma ago. From all information gathered up
to now, the question arises, if the newly discovered
Eppelsheim species may be related to members of the
African hominin tribe.

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https://carta.anthropogeny.org/libraries/bibliography/new-great-ape-startling-resemblances-african-members-hominin-tribe-excavated
A new great ape with startling resemblances to African members of the hominin tribe, excavated from the Mid-Vallesian Dinotheriensande of Eppelsheim. First report (Hominoidea, Miocene, MN 9, Proto-Rhine River, Germany)
In Sept.2016, 2 teeth of an up to now undescribed hominoid have been uncovered from sediments of the Proto-Rhine River ... type locality for the Eppelsheim Fm (i.e. Dinotheriensande) & of 25 mammals of various systematic positions. Together with other

finds from Eppelsheim & the Wissberg location (only 18 km away), these are the northern-most occurrences of Miocene primates in Europe. Both teeth, the crowns of an upper left canine & an upper right M1, are exceptionally well preserved, and obviously
come from the same body of unknown sex. Their sedimentological environment & the accompanying fauna point to an age shortly before the Mid-Vallesian crisis, c 9.7 Ma. While the molar shares characters with various other taxa, the canine reveals
intriguingly potential hominin affinities: its lingual outline is clearly diamond-shaped; its ratio of lingual height / mesio-distal length is within the range of Au.afarensis, Ardip.ramidus & kadabba & females of Pan troglodytes. The rel.size of the
canine (the ratio of the buccal Hts of C & M1) is similar to those of e.g. Dryopithecus sp., Ankarap.meteai, but also Ardip.ramidus. Reduced size & shape of the canine likely indicate: the new species from Eppelsheim had lost a honing (C/p3) complex
already c 9.7 Ma. From all infm gathered up to now, the question arises, if the newly discovered Eppelsheim species may be related to members of the African hominin tribe.

:-) Thanks! This perfectly confirms our view of hominoid evolution: schematically (my book pp.299-300):
-25 Ma India approaching S-Eurasia -> archipel fm: cercopith/ape split: Catarrhini reaching these coastal forests became Hominoidea: larger size, tail loss, very broad sternum-thorax-pelvis = dorsal scapulas = lateral arm+leg movements, shorter &
central lumbar spine = orthogrady: wading bipedally + climbing arms overhead in swamp forests, google "aquarboreal",
-20 Ma India underneath Eurasia split lesser apes (E -> SE.Asia) & great apes (W) -> Tethys Sea-coastal forests + rivers,
-15 Ma Mesopotamian Seaway closure split hominids-dryopiths (W -> Med.Sea + rivers) & pongids-sivapiths (E -> S.Asia),
Med.Sea hominids died out (Messinian Salinity Crisis 5.96–5.33 Ma? Zanclean flood 5.33 Ma? Plio-Pleist.cooling...?), only the Red Sea hominids suvived: today Gorilla & Homo-Pan,
-8 Ma northern Rift fm: Orrorin, Sahelanthr., Praeanthr.afarensis->boisei, HP remained in Red Sea,
-5.33 Ma Red Sea opened into Gulf (Francesca Mansfield): Pan went right -> E.Afr.coast -> southern Rift: Au.africanus->robustus // afarensis->boisei, google "aquarboreal",
Pliocene Homo went left -> SE.Asia, e.g. early-Pleist.H.erectus Java: brain x2, pachy-osteo-sclerosis, stone tools, shell engravings, island colonizations = shallow-diving for shellfish.

IOW, only incredible imbeciles believe their ancestors ran after kudus, fat & furless, sweating water+sodium under the hot Afr.sun. :-DDD
Incredible fools!

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Primum Sapienti wrote:

The link and the REAL abstract

Why don't you get it over with & denounce Aquatic Ape as "Jewish Science."

Maybe hold a book burning.

Their sedimentological
environment and the accompanying faunal elements point to
an age shortly before the Mid-Vallesian crisis at ca.
9.7 Ma. While the molar shares characters with various
other taxa, the canine reveals intriguingly potential
hominin affinities: its lingual outline is clearly
diamond-shaped; its ratio of lingual height / mesiodistal
length is within the range of Australopithecus afarensis,
Ardipithecus ramidus, Ardipithecus kadabba, and females
of Pan troglodytes. The relative size of the canine,
i. e. the ratio of the buccal heights of C and M1, is
similar to those of e.g. Dryopithecus sp., Ankarapithecus
meteai but also Ardipithecus ramidus. Both, reduced size
and shape of the canine likely indicate that the new
species from Eppelsheim had lost a honing (C/p3) complex
already ca. 9.7 Ma ago. From all information gathered up
to now, the question arises, if the newly discovered
Eppelsheim species may be related to members of the
African hominin tribe.

No contradictions.




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