• Re: Lucy in the Sky With Aquarboreal Traits

    From Pandora@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Jan 14 19:44:34 2023
    On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 10:29:17 -0800 (PST), JTEM is so reasonable <[email protected]> wrote:

    I just wanted to upset the savanna idiots. That's all.

    Whereby you admit that you're a troll.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 14 10:29:17 2023
    I just wanted to upset the savanna idiots. That's all.

    Have a nice day.


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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Pandora on Sat Jan 14 12:18:44 2023
    Pandora wrote:

    Whereby you admit that you're a troll.

    You rudely defend a notion where some ancestors fell out of a tree,
    landed on a savanna, decided it would be cool running after some
    antelope, which they found impossible, so they evolved the ability to
    run after antelope in order to run after them.

    Just to bring us all up to speed here.




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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Jan 15 12:57:33 2023
    On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 12:18:44 -0800 (PST), JTEM is so reasonable <[email protected]> wrote:

    Pandora wrote:

    Whereby you admit that you're a troll.

    You rudely defend a notion where some ancestors fell out of a tree,
    landed on a savanna, decided it would be cool running after some
    antelope, which they found impossible, so they evolved the ability to
    run after antelope in order to run after them.

    Just to bring us all up to speed here.

    Strawmen are also part of the troll repertoire.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Pandora on Sun Jan 15 11:46:55 2023
    Pandora wrote:

    You rudely defend a notion where some ancestors fell out of a tree,
    landed on a savanna, decided it would be cool running after some
    antelope, which they found impossible, so they evolved the ability to
    run after antelope in order to run after them.

    Just to bring us all up to speed here.

    Strawmen are also part of the troll repertoire.

    ESPECIALLY when they're accurate!




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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Mon Jan 16 00:13:53 2023
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Pandora wrote:

    Whereby you admit that you're a troll.

    You rudely defend a notion where some ancestors fell out of a tree,
    landed on a savanna, decided it would be cool running after some
    antelope, which they found impossible, so they evolved the ability to
    run after antelope in order to run after them.

    Just to bring us all up to speed here.

    You rudely defend a notion where some ancestors fell
    out of a tree into water, decided that women's breats were
    for floating to that babies could nurse.

    https://theaquaticape.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/human_aquatic_adaptations.jpg


    Just to bring us all up to speed here.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Mon Jan 16 11:40:41 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    You rudely defend a notion where some ancestors fell
    out of a tree into water, decided that women's breats were
    for floating to that babies could nurse.

    We haven't really discussed sexual dimorphism. And I know for a
    fact that you've yet to explain where/how our ancestors were
    getting their DHA from. Aquatic Ape takes care of that.

    You don't.

    https://theaquaticape.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/human_aquatic_adaptations.jpg
    Just to bring us all up to speed here.

    You and your lack of reading comprehension, not to mention retention,
    but you were asked to use your savanna idiocy to explain all those
    adaptations. And you didn't.

    Aquatic Ape doesn't need to be perfect. It doesn't even need to be good.
    It just needs to be better than the alternative, and it is.




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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Sun Feb 12 22:25:51 2023
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    You rudely defend a notion where some ancestors fell
    out of a tree into water, decided that women's breats were
    for floating to that babies could nurse.

    We haven't really discussed sexual dimorphism. And I know for a

    Yes, we have. Floating breasts is part of the aa mythos.

    fact that you've yet to explain where/how our ancestors were
    getting their DHA from. Aquatic Ape takes care of that.

    You don't.

    We don't need the DHA since literally billions of people
    don't have fish on a regular basis (if at all) and develop
    fine.

    https://theaquaticape.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/human_aquatic_adaptations.jpg
    Just to bring us all up to speed here.

    You and your lack of reading comprehension, not to mention retention,
    but you were asked to use your savanna idiocy to explain all those adaptations. And you didn't.

    Aquatic Ape doesn't need to be perfect. It doesn't even need to be good.
    It just needs to be better than the alternative, and it is.

    AA is neither perfect nor good. Finally, you see the light
    about this just so approach to evolution.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Tue Feb 14 10:00:42 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Yes, we have. Floating breasts is part of the aa mythos.

    Breast do float.

    We don't need the DHA

    You are literally insane.

    You're not "Arguing," you're contradicting... reality.

    AA is neither perfect nor good.

    You're describing nature. You're likening Aquatic Ape to nature. Which
    it is.

    You had to claim that breasts sink like rocks and that humans don't
    need DHA just to pretend that there's fault in Aquatic Ape. Even so,
    you could not even bring yourself to try and advance Out of Africa
    purity.

    "Any jackass can kick down a barn but it takes a carpenter to build one."

    Well, you neither kicked down Aquatic Ape nor built up savanna idiocy
    beyond he status of a symptom.

    "No soup for you!"





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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Sun Feb 26 23:07:41 2023
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Yes, we have. Floating breasts is part of the aa mythos.

    Breast do float.

    For breats feeding in water? Why?

    We don't need the DHA

    You are literally insane.

    You're not "Arguing," you're contradicting... reality.

    Please tell the billions of people in the world who
    don't have access to sea food that they can't exist.

    AA is neither perfect nor good.

    You're describing nature. You're likening Aquatic Ape to nature. Which
    it is.

    Describing aa.

    You had to claim that breasts sink like rocks and that humans don't

    Breast feeding isn't meant to be done in water. Just like chimpanzees
    and gorillas, it's done on land.

    need DHA just to pretend that there's fault in Aquatic Ape. Even so,
    you could not even bring yourself to try and advance Out of Africa
    purity.

    "Any jackass can kick down a barn but it takes a carpenter to build one."

    Well, you neither kicked down Aquatic Ape nor built up savanna idiocy
    beyond he status of a symptom.

    "No soup for you!"

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Sun Feb 26 22:26:27 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Please tell the billions of people in the world who
    don't have access to sea food that they can't exist.

    As has been pointed out many times, but you have neither comprehension
    nor retention, human brains have shrunk since the advent of civilization &
    the reliance on agriculture.

    As has been pointed out, including by one of your own sock puppets, I do believe, the genetic mutation that allows us to synthesize DHA as well as
    we do -- which sucks, btw -- isn't very old. "Molecular Dating" claims it's
    on the order of 80,000 years. Which means the entire history of Homo
    is contained with the span of the most recent 80,000 years or, now get
    this, your trademark lack of reading comprehension & retention is not
    serving you nearly as well as you appear to believe.

    You have no position here. You're merely contradicting.





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  • From Marc Verhaegen@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 04:25:47 2023
    Idiotic kudu runner:

    Please tell the billions of people in the world who
    don't have access to sea food that they can't exist.

    Tell them to keep running after kudus: otherwise they can't exist...
    :-DDDDD

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to Marc Verhaegen on Tue Mar 14 22:12:32 2023
    Marc Verhaegen wrote:
    Idiotic kudu runner:

    Please tell the billions of people in the world who
    don't have access to sea food that they can't exist.

    Tell them to keep running after kudus: otherwise they can't exist...
    :-DDDDD

    Tell them to breathe through the nostrils on the tips of their noses.

    :-DDDDDDDDDDDDD


    Close to you:

    https://www.ahotu.com/calendar/running/marathon/netherlands

    https://www.ahotu.com/calendar/netherlands
    Endurance race calendar 2022 - 2023 in the Netherlands

    https://www.hdsports.org/running/holland-races-running-calendar

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Tue Mar 14 23:03:42 2023
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Please tell the billions of people in the world who
    don't have access to sea food that they can't exist.

    As has been pointed out many times, but you have neither comprehension
    nor retention, human brains have shrunk since the advent of civilization & the reliance on agriculture.

    As has been pointed out, including by one of your own sock puppets, I do believe, the genetic mutation that allows us to synthesize DHA as well as
    we do -- which sucks, btw -- isn't very old. "Molecular Dating" claims it's on the order of 80,000 years. Which means the entire history of Homo
    is contained with the span of the most recent 80,000 years or, now get
    this, your trademark lack of reading comprehension & retention is not
    serving you nearly as well as you appear to believe.

    You have no position here. You're merely contradicting.

    As has been pointed out many times, you're ignoring brain organization.

    Why are birds so capable despite small brains and some with no
    regular fish in their diet?

    https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.abe0536
    Birds do have a brain cortex—and think
    25 Sep 2020

    Abstract
    The term “birdbrain” used to be derogatory. But humans, with
    their limited brain size, should have known better than to
    use the meager proportions of the bird brain as an insult.
    Part of the cause for derision is that the mantle, or pallium,
    of the bird brain lacks the obvious layering that earned the
    mammalian pallium its “cerebral cortex” label. However, birds,
    and particularly corvids (such as ravens), are as cognitively
    capable as monkeys (1) and even great apes (2). Because their
    neurons are smaller, the pallium of songbirds and parrots
    actually comprises many more information-processing neuronal
    units than the equivalent-sized mammalian cortices (3). On page
    1626 of this issue, Nieder et al. (4) show that the bird
    pallium has neurons that represent what it perceives—a hallmark
    of consciousness. And on page 1585 of this issue, Stacho et
    al. (5) establish that the bird pallium has similar organization
    to the mammalian cortex.


    This rather significant, the sort of thing that aa tries to
    ignore in favor of the just-so-story approach. Paper is public

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3619515/
    2013 May 22
    Brain reorganization, not relative brain size, primarily characterizes anthropoid brain evolution

    Abstract
    Comparative analyses of primate brain evolution have
    highlighted changes in size and internal organization
    as key factors underlying species diversity. It remains,
    however, unclear (i) how much variation in mosaic brain
    reorganization versus variation in relative brain size
    contributes to explaining the structural neural diversity
    observed across species, (ii) which mosaic changes
    contribute most to explaining diversity, and (iii) what
    the temporal origin, rates and processes are that underlie
    evolutionary shifts in mosaic reorganization for
    individual branches of the primate tree of life. We
    address these questions by combining novel comparative
    methods that allow assessing the temporal origin, rate and
    process of evolutionary changes on individual branches of
    the tree of life, with newly available data on volumes of
    key brain structures (prefrontal cortex, frontal motor
    areas and cerebrocerebellum) for a sample of 17 species
    (including humans). We identify patterns of mosaic change
    in brain evolution that mirror brain systems previously
    identified by electrophysiological and anatomical
    tract-tracing studies in non-human primates and functional
    connectivity MRI studies in humans. Across more than
    40 Myr of anthropoid primate evolution, mosaic changes
    contribute more to explaining neural diversity than changes
    in relative brain size, and different mosaic patterns are
    differentially selected for when brains increase or decrease
    in size. We identify lineage-specific evolutionary
    specializations for all branches of the tree of life
    covered by our sample and demonstrate deep evolutionary
    roots for mosaic patterns associated with motor control and
    learning.


    Also significant (and also publicly accessible)...

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7485526/
    Published online 2018 May 31
    Normative brain size variation and brain shape diversity in humans

    Abstract
    Brain size variation over primate evolution and human
    development is associated with shifts in the proportions
    of different brain regions. Individual brain size can vary
    almost twofold among typically developing humans, but the
    consequences of this for brain organization remain poorly
    understood. Using in vivo neuroimaging data from more than
    3000 individuals, we find that larger human brains show
    greater areal expansion in distributed frontoparietal
    cortical networks and related subcortical regions than
    in limbic, sensory, and motor systems. This areal
    redistribution recapitulates cortical remodeling across
    evolution, manifests by early childhood in humans, and
    is linked to multiple markers of heightened metabolic
    cost and neuronal connectivity. Thus, human brain shape
    is systematically coupled to naturally occurring
    variations in brain size through a scaling map that
    integrates spatiotemporally diverse aspects of
    neurobiology.


    The aa idea of science is to ignore contradictory evidence and
    resort to snide remarks.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 15 03:30:20 2023
    Kudu runner:

    Why are birds so capable despite small brains

    They fly, my little boy. Didn't you know?

    Why do we still have brains almost as large as in neandertals?
    Because neandertals were still more aquatic:
    google "GondwanaTalks Verhaegen".

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Thu Mar 16 03:30:06 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Why are birds so capable despite small brains and some with no
    regular fish in their diet?

    We're not birds. Brain size is a defining feature of our species, our
    genus.

    Concentrate. TRY to focus here.

    One way you can see how abysmally pathetic you're being is to
    now build a model. Correlate your "Organization" with human
    development. You're claiming it's distinct from size, so map it
    out for us.

    Oops.

    You're just a contradictions. You don't have a model, you don't
    have a theory... you clue what so ever. All you have is contradictions.

    Nothing fits.




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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Mar 16 04:29:40 2023
    [email protected] wrote:

    Kudu runner:
    Why are birds so capable despite small brains

    They fly, my little boy. Didn't you know?

    Birds are very highly evolved at pattern recognition. They're not
    all that bright though. The term "Bird Brain" is not Latin for
    "Genius."

    Birds are also highly irrelevant to human evolution.

    Remember when the Bird Brain thought elephants were proof
    positive of... well.. he never did quite work that one out. And he
    won't with birds, either.





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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Mar 26 21:47:13 2023
    [email protected] wrote:
    Kudu runner:

    Why are birds so capable despite small brains

    They fly, my little boy. Didn't you know?

    Birds use tools - despite small brains.

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/cockatoos-tool-kit-national-park

    Why do we still have brains almost as large as in neandertals?
    Because neandertals were still more aquatic:
    google "GondwanaTalks Verhaegen".


    You don't understand brain organization do you?

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Sun Mar 26 22:03:56 2023
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Why are birds so capable despite small brains and some with no
    regular fish in their diet?

    We're not birds. Brain size is a defining feature of our species, our
    genus.

    Concentrate. TRY to focus here.

    And we're not seals or porpoises. TRY to focus here.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Fri Mar 31 13:09:32 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    And we're not seals or porpoises.

    Very good! You earned a biscuit!

    And... are we plastic milk jugs?

    What about a kitchen sponge? Are we one of those?

    Go on. Take a wild stab at it. Are we a kitchen sponge or
    are we not a kitchen sponge?

    10 extra BONUS doses of your meds if you include some
    random "Cite" you never read in your reply!





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  • From Claudius Denk@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Fri Mar 31 14:18:40 2023
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 4:29:41 AM UTC-7, JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    [email protected] wrote:

    Kudu runner:
    Why are birds so capable despite small brains

    They fly, my little boy. Didn't you know?
    Birds are very highly evolved at pattern recognition. They're not
    all that bright though. The term "Bird Brain" is not Latin for
    "Genius."

    Birds are also highly irrelevant to human evolution.


    So, JTEM, here's a question for you. Is a bird that nests in trees and eats shellfish going through an aqua-arboreal stage of evolution? If not, explain why not. If so, explain why we don't see more birds that have evolved hominid/human traits and
    behaviors. (As you know, my "communal guarding garden habitat hypothesis," has no unfulfilled expectations in this regard.)

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 1 15:13:29 2023
    Actually, this is something I disagree with the good Doctor on...

    I personally argue that Lucy was part of a group, or at least is
    descended from a group that peeled off from the Aquatic Ape
    population, pushed inland and was adapting to it's new
    environment. It wasn't so much "Aquaboreal" in my estimation
    as Aquatic Ape within the midst of becoming arboreal.




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  • From James McGinn@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Sat Apr 1 20:45:07 2023
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 3:13:30 PM UTC-7, JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Actually, this is something I disagree with the good Doctor on...

    Uh, . . er, uh?

    a group that peeled off from the Aquatic Ape
    population, pushed inland and was adapting to it's new
    environment.

    So, we can think of them as going through a towelling off phase, followed by a changing-out of wet clothes phase.

    It wasn't so much "Aquaboreal" in my estimation
    as Aquatic Ape within the midst of becoming arboreal.

    Maybe they then went through an ice-cream eating phase.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 1 22:10:42 2023
    So I would argue that the good Doctor really is seeing what he believes he's seeing, only not for the reasons he attributes to them.

    He sees "Aquarboreal" because they are descendants of Aquatic Ape, and
    they are in transition to an arboreal lifestyle.




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  • From Claudius Denk@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Sun Apr 2 10:49:33 2023
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 10:10:43 PM UTC-7, JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    So I would argue that the good Doctor really is seeing what he believes he's seeing, only not for the reasons he attributes to them.

    He sees "Aquarboreal" because they are descendants of Aquatic Ape, and
    they are in transition to an arboreal lifestyle.

    You obviously have zero understanding of biological evolution.

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