Here's the correct text (I hope):

AAT ("aquatic ape theory", better "human waterside evolution") is impossible without an "aquarboreal ape theory" (evolution is gradual: arbor=tree + aqua=water).

Oligo-Miocene Hominoidea=Latisternalia evolved (vs monkeys): very broad sternum+thorax+pelvis = wide body + lateral (vs ventral) limbs, centrally- (vs dorsally-)placed spine + very long limbs (>monkeys) for vertical=bipedal=wading+climbing, tail loss (
rare in arboreal animals), larger body (idem), longer gestation etc.:
early apes frequently waded+climbed vertically in swamp forests: initially coastal? mangroves??

Did hominoid evolution begin in the Tethys=Ind.Ocean?
Plate tectonics:
-India approaching Asia initially created island archipelagoes, full of coastal forests, colonized by the earliest hominoids.
-India further underneath Asia split hominoids into great (W) & lesser (E) apes.
-Great apes colonized the Tethys Sea-coasts.
-The Mesopotamian Seaway closure c 15 Ma split hominids+dryopiths (W) & pongids+sivapiths (E).
-Pongids forced hylobatids higher into the trees in SE.Asia.
-The hominids around the Med.Sea died out 6-5.3 Ma (Messinian Salinity Crisis), only those around the Red Sea survived.
-Gorilla=Praeanthropus followed the E.Afr.Rift formation after c 8 Ma: Lucy etc.
-The Zanclean flood 5.3 Ma (refilled the Med.Sea) opened the Red Sea into the Ind.Ocean:
---Pan=Australopithecus s.s. went right: E.Afr.coasts + rivers inland,
---Homo went left: S.Asian coasts, as far as Java & Flores. Pachyosteosclerosis & ear exostoses leave no doubt (AAT s.s.):
archaic Homo frequently dived, probably mostly for shellfish: stone tools, shell engravings etc.
But I'm still not sure: did we become shallow divers early-Pleistocene (cooling = more shellfish??), or already Pliocene??

Simple, no?
:-)

This aquarboreal scenario fits all data, e.g.
-- monkey/ape anatomical differences: wide thorax, tail loss, sacralization, lumbar reduction etc.
Here's the correct text (I hope):

AAT ("aquatic ape theory", human waterside evolution) is impossible without an "aquarboreal ape theory" (evolution is gradual: arbor=tree->aqua=water).

Oligo-Miocene Hominoidea=Latisternalia evolved (vs monkeys): very broad sternum+thorax+pelvis = wide body + lateral (vs ventral) limbs, centrally- (vs dorsally-)placed spine + very long limbs (>monkeys) for vertical=bipedal=wading+climbing, tail loss (
rare in arboreal animals), larger body (idem), longer gestation etc.:
early apes frequently waded+climbed vertically in swamp forests: initially coastal? mangroves??

Did hominoid evolution begin in the Tethys=Ind.Ocean?
Plate tectonics:
-India approaching Asia initially created island archipelagoes, full of coastal forests, colonized by the earliest hominoids.
-India further underneath Asia split hominoids into great (W) & lesser (E) apes.
-Great apes colonized the Tethys Sea-coasts.
-The Mesopotamian Seaway closure c 15 Ma split hominids+dryopiths (W) & pongids+sivapiths (E).
-Pongids forced hylobatids higher into the trees in SE.Asia.
-The hominids around the Med.Sea died out 6-5.3 Ma (Messinian Salinity Crisis), only those around the Red Sea survived.
-Gorilla=Praeanthropus followed the E.Afr.Rift formation after c 8 Ma: Lucy etc.
-The Zanclean flood 5.3 Ma (refilled the Med.Sea) opened the Red Sea into the Ind.Ocean:
---Pan=Australopithecus s.s. went right: E.Afr.coasts + rivers inland,
---Homo went left: S.Asian coasts, as far as Java & Flores. Pachyosteosclerosis & ear exostoses leave no doubt (AAT s.s.):
archaic Homo frequently dived, probably mostly for shellfish: stone tools, shell engravings etc.
But I'm still not sure: did we become shallow divers early-Pleistocene (cooling = more shellfish??), or already Pliocene??

Simple, no?
:-)

This aquarboreal scenario fits all data, e.g.
-- monkey/ape anatomical differences: wide thorax, tail loss, sacralization, lumbar reduction etc.
-- the traditional splitting dates, based on DNA:
-cercopithecoid=OWM/hominoid=ape c 30-35 Ma,
-great/lesser apes c 20-25 Ma,
-pongid/hominid c 15 Ma,
-Gorilla/HP c 8 Ma,
-Homo/Pan 5.3 Ma.
-- hominoid geographic distribution: ape/OWM split in Asia, Pongo & hylobatids now in SE.Asia, P & G in Africa.
-- the bipedal Trachilos footprints on Crete 5.7 Ma,
-- the remarkable if not impossible "absence" of fossil Pan & Gorilla (IMO due to anthropocentric prejudices):
in my Hum.Evol.papers, 2 different approaches led to the same (although very surprising to me at the time) results:
-E.Afr.australopiths were anatomically closer to Gorilla than to H or P, -S.Afr.australopiths were closer to Pan than to H or G.
* 1994 HE 9:121-139 "Australopithecines: Ancestors of the African Apes?", based on descriptions of a lot of different authors,
* 1996 HE 11:35-41 "Morphological Distance between Australopithecine, Human and Ape Skulls", based on measurements.
Apparently, Gorilla // Pan evolved in parallel, incl. knuckle-walking:
from late-Pliocene "gracile" to early Pleist."robust" to today's "apes":
- Gorilla fossil subgenus Praeanthropus afarensis (e.g. Lucy), boisei, now low+highland gorilla,
- Pan fossil subgenus Australopithecus s.s. africanus (e.g. Taung), robustus, now chimp+bonobo.

Google:
-Mio-Pliocene Hominoidea: "aquarboreal ancestors",
-Pleistocene Homo: "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo".

All this is described in detail in my new book (Eburon Utrecht NL 2022):
"De Evolutie van de Mens - waarom wij rechtop lopen en kunnen spreken".
-- the traditional splitting dates, based on DNA:
-cercopithecoid=OWM/hominoid=ape c 30-35 Ma,
-great/lesser apes c 20-25 Ma,
-pongid/hominid c 15 Ma,
-Gorilla/HP c 8 Ma,
-Homo/Pan 5.3 Ma,
-- hominoid geographic distribution:
-ape/OWM split in Asia,
-Pongo & hylobatids now in SE.Asia,
-P & G in Africa,
-- viral data (DNA) that Pliocene Homo was in Asia,
-- the bipedal Trachilos footprints on Crete 5.7 Ma,
-- the remarkable if not impossible "absence" of fossil Pan & Gorilla (IMO due to anthropocentric prejudices):
in my Hum.Evol.papers, 2 different approaches led to the same (although very surprising to me at the time) results:
-E.Afr.australopiths were anatomically closer to Gorilla than to H or P, -S.Afr.australopiths were closer to Pan than to H or G.
* 1994 HE 9:121-139 "Australopithecines: Ancestors of the African Apes?", based on descriptions of a lot of different authors,
* 1996 HE 11:35-41 "Morphological Distance between Australopithecine, Human and Ape Skulls", based on measurements.
Apparently, Gorilla // Pan evolved in parallel, incl. knuckle-walking:
from late-Pliocene "gracile" to early Pleist."robust" to today's "apes":
- Gorilla fossil subgenus Praeanthropus afarensis (e.g. Lucy), boisei, now low+highland gorilla,
- Pan fossil subgenus Australopithecus s.s. africanus (e.g. Taung), robustus, now chimp+bonobo.

Google:
-Mio-Pliocene Hominoidea: "aquarboreal ancestors",
-Pleistocene Homo: "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo".

All this is described in detail in my new book (Eburon Utrecht NL 2022):
"De Evolutie van de Mens - waarom wij rechtop lopen en kunnen spreken".

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Sorry, I made again a few mistakes.
Here's the correct text (I hope):

AAT ("aquatic ape theory", better "human waterside evolution") is impossible without an "aquarboreal ape theory" (evolution is gradual: arbor=tree + aqua=water).
Oligo-Miocene Hominoidea=Latisternalia evolved (vs monkeys): very broad sternum+thorax+pelvis = wide body + lateral (vs ventral) limbs, centrally- (vs dorsally-)placed spine + very long limbs (>monkeys) for vertical=bipedal=wading+climbing, tail loss (
rare in arboreal animals), larger body (idem), longer gestation etc.:
early apes frequently waded+climbed vertically in swamp forests: initially coastal? mangroves??

Did hominoid evolution begin in the Tethys=Ind.Ocean?
Plate tectonics:
-India approaching Asia initially created island archipelagoes, full of coastal forests, colonized by the earliest hominoids.
-India further underneath Asia split hominoids into great (W) & lesser (E) apes.
-Great apes colonized the Tethys Sea-coasts.
-The Mesopotamian Seaway closure c 15 Ma split hominids+dryopiths (W) & pongids+sivapiths (E).
-Pongids forced hylobatids higher into the trees in SE.Asia.
-The hominids around the Med.Sea died out 6-5.3 Ma (Messinian Salinity Crisis), only those around the Red Sea survived.
-Gorilla=Praeanthropus followed the E.Afr.Rift formation after c 8 Ma: Lucy etc.
-The Zanclean flood 5.3 Ma (refilled the Med.Sea) opened the Red Sea into the Ind.Ocean:
---Pan=Australopithecus s.s. went right: E.Afr.coasts + rivers inland,
---Homo went left: S.Asian coasts, as far as Java & Flores. Pachyosteosclerosis & ear exostoses leave no doubt (AAT s.s.):
archaic Homo frequently dived, probably mostly for shellfish: stone tools, shell engravings etc.
But I'm still not sure: did we become shallow divers early-Pleistocene (cooling = more shellfish??), or already Pliocene??

Simple, no?
:-)

This aquarboreal scenario fits all data, e.g.
-- monkey/ape anatomical differences: wide thorax, tail loss, sacralization, lumbar reduction etc.
-- the traditional splitting dates, based on DNA:
-cercopithecoid=OWM/hominoid=ape c 30-35 Ma,
-great/lesser apes c 20-25 Ma,
-pongid/hominid c 15 Ma,
-Gorilla/HP c 8 Ma,
-Homo/Pan 5.3 Ma.
-- hominoid geographic distribution: ape/OWM split in Asia, Pongo & hylobatids now in SE.Asia, P & G in Africa.
-- the bipedal Trachilos footprints on Crete 5.7 Ma,
-- the remarkable if not impossible "absence" of fossil Pan & Gorilla (IMO due to anthropocentric prejudices):
in my Hum.Evol.papers, 2 different approaches led to the same (although very surprising to me at the time) results:
-E.Afr.australopiths were anatomically closer to Gorilla than to H or P, -S.Afr.australopiths were closer to Pan than to H or G.
* 1994 HE 9:121-139 "Australopithecines: Ancestors of the African Apes?", based on descriptions of a lot of different authors,
* 1996 HE 11:35-41 "Morphological Distance between Australopithecine, Human and Ape Skulls", based on measurements.
Apparently, Gorilla // Pan evolved in parallel, incl. knuckle-walking:
from late-Pliocene "gracile" to early Pleist."robust" to today's "apes":
- Gorilla fossil subgenus Praeanthropus afarensis (e.g. Lucy), boisei, now low+highland gorilla,
- Pan fossil subgenus Australopithecus s.s. africanus (e.g. Taung), robustus, now chimp+bonobo.

Google:
-Mio-Pliocene Hominoidea: "aquarboreal ancestors",
-Pleistocene Homo: "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo".

All this is described in detail in my new book (Eburon Utrecht NL 2022):
"De Evolutie van de Mens - waarom wij rechtop lopen en kunnen spreken".

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On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 6:08:29 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:

Sorry, I made again a few mistakes.
Here's the correct text (I hope):

AAT ("aquatic ape theory", better "human waterside evolution") is impossible without an "aquarboreal ape theory" (evolution is gradual: arbor=tree + aqua=water).
Oligo-Miocene Hominoidea=Latisternalia evolved (vs monkeys): very broad sternum+thorax+pelvis = wide body + lateral (vs ventral) limbs, centrally- (vs dorsally-)placed spine + very long limbs (>monkeys) for vertical=bipedal=wading+climbing, tail loss (

rare in arboreal animals), larger body (idem), longer gestation etc.:

early apes frequently waded+climbed vertically in swamp forests: initially coastal? mangroves??

Did hominoid evolution begin in the Tethys=Ind.Ocean?
Plate tectonics:
-India approaching Asia initially created island archipelagoes, full of coastal forests, colonized by the earliest hominoids.
-India further underneath Asia split hominoids into great (W) & lesser (E) apes.
-Great apes colonized the Tethys Sea-coasts.
-The Mesopotamian Seaway closure c 15 Ma split hominids+dryopiths (W) & pongids+sivapiths (E).
-Pongids forced hylobatids higher into the trees in SE.Asia.
-The hominids around the Med.Sea died out 6-5.3 Ma (Messinian Salinity Crisis), only those around the Red Sea survived.
-Gorilla=Praeanthropus followed the E.Afr.Rift formation after c 8 Ma: Lucy etc.
-The Zanclean flood 5.3 Ma (refilled the Med.Sea) opened the Red Sea into the Ind.Ocean:
---Pan=Australopithecus s.s. went right: E.Afr.coasts + rivers inland, ---Homo went left: S.Asian coasts, as far as Java & Flores. Pachyosteosclerosis & ear exostoses leave no doubt (AAT s.s.):
archaic Homo frequently dived, probably mostly for shellfish: stone tools, shell engravings etc.
But I'm still not sure: did we become shallow divers early-Pleistocene (cooling = more shellfish??), or already Pliocene??

Simple, no?
:-)

This aquarboreal scenario fits all data, e.g.
-- monkey/ape anatomical differences: wide thorax, tail loss, sacralization, lumbar reduction etc.
-- the traditional splitting dates, based on DNA: -cercopithecoid=OWM/hominoid=ape c 30-35 Ma,
-great/lesser apes c 20-25 Ma,
-pongid/hominid c 15 Ma,
-Gorilla/HP c 8 Ma,
-Homo/Pan 5.3 Ma.
-- hominoid geographic distribution: ape/OWM split in Asia, Pongo & hylobatids now in SE.Asia, P & G in Africa.
-- the bipedal Trachilos footprints on Crete 5.7 Ma,
-- the remarkable if not impossible "absence" of fossil Pan & Gorilla (IMO due to anthropocentric prejudices):
in my Hum.Evol.papers, 2 different approaches led to the same (although very surprising to me at the time) results:
-E.Afr.australopiths were anatomically closer to Gorilla than to H or P, -S.Afr.australopiths were closer to Pan than to H or G.
* 1994 HE 9:121-139 "Australopithecines: Ancestors of the African Apes?", based on descriptions of a lot of different authors,
* 1996 HE 11:35-41 "Morphological Distance between Australopithecine, Human and Ape Skulls", based on measurements.
Apparently, Gorilla // Pan evolved in parallel, incl. knuckle-walking:
from late-Pliocene "gracile" to early Pleist."robust" to today's "apes":
- Gorilla fossil subgenus Praeanthropus afarensis (e.g. Lucy), boisei, now low+highland gorilla,
- Pan fossil subgenus Australopithecus s.s. africanus (e.g. Taung), robustus, now chimp+bonobo.

Google:
-Mio-Pliocene Hominoidea: "aquarboreal ancestors",
-Pleistocene Homo: "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo".

All this is described in detail in my new book (Eburon Utrecht NL 2022):
"De Evolutie van de Mens - waarom wij rechtop lopen en kunnen spreken".

Please continue to repeat your nonsensical wading gibbon stories.

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