• Re: My Aquatic Ape sound bite (tag line/bullet point/etc)

    From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 26 12:15:00 2022
    Op zondag 26 juni 2022 om 20:52:32 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:
    "Coastal Dispersal." Everyone agrees that Homo (and
    perhaps earlier) spanned the continents so the only
    question is how. How did they travel between continents?
    Well the answer that everyone agrees on is Coastal
    Dispersal. Put short: They followed the beaches! And
    this means they were on that coast line. This means they
    were living there, eating there. They weren't carrying a
    tropical rainforest on their backs, neither were they dragging
    an African savanna behind them. So they were living off the
    coastline, the sea, consuming resources then moving on to
    a more fertile stretch: Aquatic Ape.
    To me, that's it. No need to go any further. We all agree that
    it happened that way, even the folks who like to claim that it
    didn't still say that it it (coastal dispersal) so why move even
    one iota beyond what we all agreed is settled?
    Would like to see someone's sorter, more concise version of
    that, particularly how I would not be included in any Aquatic
    Ape compilation.

    Miocene hominoids already dispersed intercontinentally, probably along peri-Tethys coastal forests. But were they already "aquatic apes"??
    Pleistocene Homo dispersal was perhaps not only faster, but also different: whereas there are no known indications (AFAIK at least) that Mio-Pliocene apes dived, this was obviously the case in Pleistocene Homo: ear exostoses, pachyosteosclerosis,
    voluntary breathing, olfactory reduction, external nose, flat feet, stone tools etc.etc. leave no doubt that "archaic" Homo frequently dived (slow-shallow) for sessile foods incl.shellfish.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 26 11:52:30 2022
    "Coastal Dispersal." Everyone agrees that Homo (and
    perhaps earlier) spanned the continents so the only
    question is how. How did they travel between continents?
    Well the answer that everyone agrees on is Coastal
    Dispersal. Put short: They followed the beaches! And
    this means they were on that coast line. This means they
    were living there, eating there. They weren't carrying a
    tropical rainforest on their backs, neither were they dragging
    an African savanna behind them. So they were living off the
    coastline, the sea, consuming resources then moving on to
    a more fertile stretch: Aquatic Ape.

    To me, that's it. No need to go any further. We all agree that
    it happened that way, even the folks who like to claim that it
    didn't still say that it it (coastal dispersal) so why move even
    one iota beyond what we all agreed is settled?

    Would like to see someone's sorter, more concise version of
    that, particularly how I would not be included in any Aquatic
    Ape compilation.




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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Jun 28 14:13:00 2022
    [email protected] wrote:

    Miocene hominoids already dispersed intercontinentally, probably along peri-Tethys coastal forests. But were they already "aquatic apes"??
    Pleistocene Homo dispersal was perhaps not only faster, but also different: whereas there are no known indications (AFAIK at least) that Mio-Pliocene apes dived, this was obviously the case in Pleistocene Homo: ear exostoses, pachyosteosclerosis,
    voluntary breathing, olfactory reduction, external nose, flat feet, stone tools etc.etc. leave no doubt that "archaic" Homo frequently dived (slow-shallow) for sessile foods incl.shellfish.

    Oh I don't believe it was a one-time thing. In fact, groups from
    the waterside populations branching off, moving inland &
    adapting only to "Rediscover," so to speak," the waterside
    environment makes a great deal more sense to me.

    To my thinking, a population adapted to the waterside
    environment has no need to further adapt, absent new
    evolutionary pressures. We'd only ever expect "Micro"
    evolutionary forces -- sexual selection, for example --
    nudging the changes along. But if a group left, formed an
    inland population, adapted physically & culturally to the dry
    land, they would certainly retain vestiges of their waterside
    beginnings but would have to reacquire the "Lifestyle," so
    to speak. In so doing they'd be more likely to find new
    solutions to old problems, as well as the competition
    (conflict?) necessary to fuel a continuance of the
    evolutionary ride for the existing waterside population.

    It's "Guns, Germs & Steel" only with "Rocks, Shellfish &
    DNA."





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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Tue Jun 28 17:58:37 2022
    On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 5:13:02 PM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:
    [email protected] wrote:

    Miocene hominoids already dispersed intercontinentally, probably along peri-Tethys coastal forests. But were they already "aquatic apes"??
    Pleistocene Homo dispersal was perhaps not only faster, but also different: whereas there are no known indications (AFAIK at least) that Mio-Pliocene apes dived, this was obviously the case in Pleistocene Homo: ear exostoses, pachyosteosclerosis,
    voluntary breathing, olfactory reduction, external nose, flat feet, stone tools etc.etc. leave no doubt that "archaic" Homo frequently dived (slow-shallow) for sessile foods incl.shellfish.
    Oh I don't believe it was a one-time thing. In fact, groups from
    the waterside populations branching off, moving inland &
    adapting only to "Rediscover," so to speak," the waterside
    environment makes a great deal more sense to me.

    To my thinking, a population adapted to the waterside
    environment has no need to further adapt, absent new
    evolutionary pressures. We'd only ever expect "Micro"
    evolutionary forces -- sexual selection, for example --
    nudging the changes along. But if a group left, formed an
    inland population, adapted physically & culturally to the dry
    land, they would certainly retain vestiges of their waterside
    beginnings but would have to reacquire the "Lifestyle," so
    to speak. In so doing they'd be more likely to find new
    solutions to old problems, as well as the competition
    (conflict?) necessary to fuel a continuance of the
    evolutionary ride for the existing waterside population.

    It's "Guns, Germs & Steel" only with "Rocks, Shellfish &
    DNA."





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    No sleep? Huh.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Tue Jun 28 17:57:38 2022
    On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 2:52:32 PM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:
    "Coastal Dispersal." Everyone agrees that Homo (and
    perhaps earlier) spanned the continents so the only
    question is how. How did they travel between continents?
    Well the answer that everyone agrees on is Coastal
    Dispersal. Put short: They followed the beaches! And
    this means they were on that coast line. This means they
    were living there, eating there. They weren't carrying a
    tropical rainforest on their backs, neither were they dragging
    an African savanna behind them. So they were living off the
    coastline, the sea, consuming resources then moving on to
    a more fertile stretch: Aquatic Ape.

    To me, that's it. No need to go any further. We all agree that
    it happened that way, even the folks who like to claim that it
    didn't still say that it it (coastal dispersal) so why move even
    one iota beyond what we all agreed is settled?

    Would like to see someone's sorter, more concise version of
    that, particularly how I would not be included in any Aquatic
    Ape compilation.




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    Wanna see my sorter? You're sick, jermy. Drink some cod liver oil.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 29 06:11:53 2022
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    [...]

    I'm not your parent, teacher or nurse. Just because you are capable of obsessively compulsively posting bullshit doesn't mean anyone needs
    to read it, much less react.




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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 29 18:00:26 2022
    On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 8:58:40 PM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 5:13:02 PM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:
    [email protected] wrote:

    Miocene hominoids already dispersed intercontinentally, probably along peri-Tethys coastal forests. But were they already "aquatic apes"??
    Pleistocene Homo dispersal was perhaps not only faster, but also different: whereas there are no known indications (AFAIK at least) that Mio-Pliocene apes dived, this was obviously the case in Pleistocene Homo: ear exostoses, pachyosteosclerosis,
    voluntary breathing, olfactory reduction, external nose, flat feet, stone tools etc.etc. leave no doubt that "archaic" Homo frequently dived (slow-shallow) for sessile foods incl.shellfish.
    Oh I don't believe it was a one-time thing. In fact, groups from
    the waterside populations branching off, moving inland &
    adapting only to "Rediscover," so to speak," the waterside
    environment makes a great deal more sense to me.

    To my thinking, a population adapted to the waterside
    environment has no need to further adapt, absent new
    evolutionary pressures. We'd only ever expect "Micro"
    evolutionary forces -- sexual selection, for example --
    nudging the changes along. But if a group left, formed an
    inland population, adapted physically & culturally to the dry
    land, they would certainly retain vestiges of their waterside
    beginnings but would have to reacquire the "Lifestyle," so
    to speak. In so doing they'd be more likely to find new
    solutions to old problems, as well as the competition
    (conflict?) necessary to fuel a continuance of the
    evolutionary ride for the existing waterside population.

    It's "Guns, Germs & Steel" only with "Rocks, Shellfish &
    DNA."





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    No sleep? Huh.
    Why don't the savannistas and mermaid wannabees EVER talk about where ancient humans slept? People spend 1/3 of their lives inactive and sleeping. Every single extremist sleeps sheltered, yet they are blind to that reality. Verdammt!

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