https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45649012

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45649012

Thanks, it merely confirms the obvious, humans can live anywhere if they have shelter!!
He'll never return to the dangerous sea but sleeps every night in a shelter, just like all Homo sapiens.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45649012

Sulawesi weather Aug 2018: 6 rainy days, often cloudy, he could store rain from roof.

Guam weather Aug 2018 https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/guam-hagatna/historic?month=8&year=2018

Of course without shelter, he'd be sharkbait.

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On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 7:27:58 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:

Op zaterdag 21 mei 2022 om 04:03:13 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45649012

Thanks, it merely confirms the obvious, humans can live anywhere if they have shelter!!
He'll never return to the dangerous sea but sleeps every night in a shelter, just like all Homo sapiens.

Present-day humans are clearly not aquatic at all today, and many humans are afraid of drowning. Most older people in my village can't even swim & never swam. I needed special lessons before I learned to swim at 10 or 12 years, and I was more than 30

when I first dared to swim with my head under water, when my daughter said: it's easy, dad, don't be afraid & just do it.

That humans (land mammals) nevertheless have the ability to swim underwater shows that this is a leftover from our evolution.
Only incredible idiots still believe their ancestors ran after antilopes over the savanna.

Our rudimentary aquatic bearing due to :

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Op zaterdag 21 mei 2022 om 04:03:13 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45649012

Thanks, it merely confirms the obvious, humans can live anywhere if they have shelter!!
He'll never return to the dangerous sea but sleeps every night in a shelter, just like all Homo sapiens.

Present-day humans are clearly not aquatic at all today, and many humans are afraid of drowning. Most older people in my village can't even swim & never swam. I needed special lessons before I learned to swim at 10 or 12 years, and I was more than 30
when I first dared to swim with my head under water, when my daughter said: it's easy, dad, don't be afraid & just do it.
That humans (land mammals) nevertheless have the ability to swim underwater shows that this is a leftover from our evolution.
Only incredible idiots still believe their ancestors ran after antilopes over the savanna.

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On Saturday 21 May 2022 at 12:27:58 UTC+1, [email protected] wrote:

Present-day humans are clearly not aquatic at all today, and
many humans are afraid of drowning. Most older people in my
village can't even swim & never swam. I needed special lessons
before I learned to swim at 10 or 12 years,

Highly unusual (i.e. almost unknown) behaviour
for a terrestrial animal. Yet standard for an ape.

This peculiarity of apes calls for an explanation.
The normality of human behaviour -- within
that of apes generally -- shows that humans
never had an aquatic episode in their evolution
since their split from other apes.

and I was more than 30 when I first dared to swim with my head
under water, when my daughter said: it's easy, dad, don't be
afraid & just do it. That humans (land mammals) nevertheless
have the ability to swim underwater shows that this is a leftover
from our evolution.

Most terrestrial mammals probably never try
to swim underwater. They've usually no good
reason. Getting across to the other side without
delay is their priority. But they could probably
learn how, if they had reason. Baboons (or some
of them) do swim underwater.

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On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 10:10:47 PM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 4:23:45 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45649012

Sulawesi weather Aug 2018: 6 rainy days, often cloudy, he could store rain from roof.

Guam weather Aug 2018 https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/guam-hagatna/historic?month=8&year=2018

Of course without shelter, he'd be sharkbait.

Living in a house of wood from forest, above a fish trap which harvests fish containing fresh water and under a roof that collects rainwater but has seabird droppings so must be filtered with a tee shirt. An expert at sea hut survival. 1st month had
light rain 1/4 the time. Never suffered direct sun exposure. Only real problem: loneliness.

Aldi Novel Adilang wikipedia

On July 14, 2018, the rope securing the fish trap snapped, sending Adilang drifting into the Pacific Ocean. At the beginning, he had a *month's worth of food and supplies*. Once Adiliang's supplies ran out, he caught fish and cooked them, making a fire
out of wood from his fish trap. He collected rainwater and also claimed to have filtered [salt??] water through his shirt to make it drinkable; however, salt cannot be removed through filtering.

Why didn't his friend/neighbor get help?

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On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 11:09:29 PM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 10:10:47 PM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 4:23:45 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45649012

Sulawesi weather Aug 2018: 6 rainy days, often cloudy, he could store rain from roof.

Guam weather Aug 2018 https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/guam-hagatna/historic?month=8&year=2018

Of course without shelter, he'd be sharkbait.

Living in a house of wood from forest, above a fish trap which harvests fish containing fresh water and under a roof that collects rainwater but has seabird droppings so must be filtered with a tee shirt. An expert at sea hut survival. 1st month had

light rain 1/4 the time. Never suffered direct sun exposure. Only real problem: loneliness.

Aldi Novel Adilang wikipedia

On July 14, 2018, the rope securing the fish trap snapped, sending Adilang drifting into the Pacific Ocean. At the beginning, he had a *month's worth of food and supplies*. Once Adiliang's supplies ran out, he caught fish and cooked them, making a fire

out of wood from his fish trap. He collected rainwater and also claimed to have filtered [salt??] water through his shirt to make it drinkable; however, salt cannot be removed through filtering.

Why didn't his friend/neighbor get help?

Local newspaper:

He also told me that he always saves drinking water, only three sips a day.

He also told the Manado Tribune that he had heard a voice ordering him to make a shower, until Aldi made a shower made of bamboo.

When it rains at night, Aldi can also collect water.

6. Being approached by a shark

Not only that, in the third week, Aldi also has to defend his life from sharks.

The fins of the fish are visible around the raft during the day.

"I can only pray and the shark is gone," he said, Sunday (16/9/2018), quoted by TribunJatim.com from the Manado Tribune .

Don't ask that, he has also met a giant fish that only looks to his right side.

Aldi admitted that he did not know the type of fish.

On the raft, Aldi's life seems to have been scheduled.

In the morning he catches fish, in the afternoon he lies on the raft and reads the Bible, in the afternoon he cooks, and to save energy he turns off the lights at night.

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Paul Crowley wrote:

On Saturday 21 May 2022 at 12:27:58 UTC+1, [email protected] wrote:

Present-day humans are clearly not aquatic at all today, and
many humans are afraid of drowning. Most older people in my
village can't even swim & never swam. I needed special lessons
before I learned to swim at 10 or 12 years,

Highly unusual (i.e. almost unknown) behaviour
for a terrestrial animal. Yet standard for an ape.

This peculiarity of apes calls for an explanation.
The normality of human behaviour -- within
that of apes generally -- shows that humans
never had an aquatic episode in their evolution
since their split from other apes.

and I was more than 30 when I first dared to swim with my head
under water, when my daughter said: it's easy, dad, don't be
afraid & just do it. That humans (land mammals) nevertheless
have the ability to swim underwater shows that this is a leftover
from our evolution.

Most terrestrial mammals probably never try
to swim underwater. They've usually no good
reason. Getting across to the other side without
delay is their priority. But they could probably
learn how, if they had reason. Baboons (or some
of them) do swim underwater.

Mammals may not always go into the water by choice often but can of
necessity.
That being said

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-puppies-diving-underwater-2014-9

diving tiger https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/7b/52/677b52ecde6d9a5a608dbb0d8995b513.jpg


diving leopard https://www.catersnews.com/stories/animals/photographer-captures-incredibly-rare-moment-jaguar-dives-to-catch-food/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nV0CRw2ll4
video of leopard under water

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[email protected] wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45649012

"He was working on a floating fishing trap, known locally as a rompong,
which is shaped like a hut and floats in the middle of the sea but is
anchored to the seabed by ropes."

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https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-puppies-diving-underwater-2014-9 https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/7b/52/677b52ecde6d9a5a608dbb0d8995b513.jpg https://www.catersnews.com/stories/animals/photographer-captures-incredibly-rare-moment-jaguar-dives-to-catch-food/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nV0CRw2ll4

Beautiful, thanks a lot!
None of these are furless, have thick SC fat, very large brains, flat feet, pachyosteosclerosis etc.:
they're no habitual divers, unlike H.erectus, who had pachyosteosclerosis = exclusively seen in habitually slow+shallow-diving tetrapods.
Only incredible imbeciles believe their naked, fat, flat-footed, sweating ancestors ran after antelopes over the African plains:
https://crimsonpublishers.com/oara/fulltext/OARA.000537.php

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[email protected] wrote:

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-puppies-diving-underwater-2014-9
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/7b/52/677b52ecde6d9a5a608dbb0d8995b513.jpg >> https://www.catersnews.com/stories/animals/photographer-captures-incredibly-rare-moment-jaguar-dives-to-catch-food/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nV0CRw2ll4

Beautiful, thanks a lot!
None of these are furless, have thick SC fat, very large brains, flat feet, pachyosteosclerosis etc.:
they're no habitual divers, unlike H.erectus, who had pachyosteosclerosis = exclusively seen in habitually slow+shallow-diving tetrapods.
Only incredible imbeciles believe their naked, fat, flat-footed, sweating ancestors ran after antelopes over the African plains:
https://crimsonpublishers.com/oara/fulltext/OARA.000537.php

And yet those animals can swim and dive without all that. And no snorkel
noses!

Ever figure why ALL aquatic mammals have short legs and are quadrupeds?

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[email protected] wrote:

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-puppies-diving-underwater-2014-9
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/7b/52/677b52ecde6d9a5a608dbb0d8995b513.jpg >> https://www.catersnews.com/stories/animals/photographer-captures-incredibly-rare-moment-jaguar-dives-to-catch-food/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nV0CRw2ll4

Beautiful, thanks a lot!
None of these are furless, have thick SC fat, very large brains, flat feet, pachyosteosclerosis etc.:
they're no habitual divers, unlike H.erectus, who had pachyosteosclerosis = exclusively seen in habitually slow+shallow-diving tetrapods.

Swimming and diving do not require all of that as can be plainly seen in
other animals
performing those acts.

Only incredible imbeciles believe their naked, fat, flat-footed, sweating ancestors ran after antelopes over the African plains:

ALL aquatic mammals are short limbed. ALL of them. We use long legs for
walking and
running.

https://crimsonpublishers.com/oara/fulltext/OARA.000537.php

Only idiots believe we have snorkel noses.

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Some idiot:

ALL aquatic mammals are short limbed. ALL of them. We use long legs for walking and running.

Like flamingoes?
Never heard of wading??
You must be the most stupid of the kudu runners:
again, our view is not difficult, even for fools like you:

-Mio-Pliocene hominoids = originally aquarboreal
-early-Pleist.H.erectus = fequent littoral diving
-mid-Pleist.H.neand. = diving-wading
-late-Pleist.H.sapiens = wading-walking

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[email protected] wrote:

Some idiot:

ALL aquatic mammals are short limbed. ALL of them. We use long legs for
walking and running.

Like flamingoes?

This really explains how wrong you are.

Never heard of wading??
You must be the most stupid of the kudu runners:
again, our view is not difficult, even for fools like you:

-Mio-Pliocene hominoids = originally aquarboreal
-early-Pleist.H.erectus = fequent littoral diving
-mid-Pleist.H.neand. = diving-wading
-late-Pleist.H.sapiens = wading-walking

Found those snorkel noese yet?

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Primum Sapienti wrote:

This really explains how wrong you are.

Hmm. You know you're an idiot. Right? Because everyone accepts
coastal dispersal which REQUIRES Aquatic Ape. It's a necessity. It's
the only reason for them to be on the beaches, the only way they
could eat and even gives them the reason for "Migrating": They
picked a stretch clean then moved on!

It even explains the inland populations, the distinct groups like
Neanderthals, Denisovans and whatever others you want to speak
out. Groups traveled inland, adapted, became extinct -- especially
during lengthy glacial periods -- only to reconnect with the coastal
groups during the next interglacial...

Nothing else explains any of this. The savanna idiocy has monkeys
falling out of trees, landing on some grass only to engage in endurance
hunting which caused them to evolve into something that could
endurance hunt...

It's laughable, and explains nothing. It offers no mechanisms to allow
for our evolution much less our dispersal, and can't even explain the development of tools.





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Op maandag 27 juni 2022 om 05:39:16 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:

...

It even explains the inland populations, the distinct groups like Neanderthals, Denisovans and whatever others you want to speak
out. Groups traveled inland, adapted, became extinct -- especially
during lengthy glacial periods -- only to reconnect with the coastal
groups during the next interglacial

...

I don't know.
During Glacials, sea-coasts were much lower, on today's continental shelves: perhaps they got more connections with neighbouring groups during Glacials?? "Glacial" fossils are now possibly mostly tens of meters underwater (our Continental Shelf Hypothesis).
Where there more or less coastal foods (esp.shellfish?) during Glacials??
Since Homo was originally (sub)tropical, were they during Glacials more coastal (warmer)??

I just re-read my 2013 paper, google "misconceptions aquatic ape Verhaegen", it's better than I thought... :-)

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