• Origin of complex human birth pattern

    From Pandora@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 10 17:22:38 2022
    Dynamic finite-element simulations reveal early origin of complex
    human birth pattern

    Abstract

    Human infants are born neurologically immature, potentially owing to conflicting selection pressures between bipedal locomotion and
    encephalization as suggested by the obstetrical dilemma hypothesis. Australopithecines are ideal for investigating this trade-off, having
    a bipedally adapted pelvis, yet relatively small brains. Our
    finite-element birth simulations indicate that rotational birth cannot
    be inferred from bony morphology alone. Based on a range of pelvic reconstructions and fetal head sizes, our simulations further imply
    that australopithecines, like humans, gave birth to immature,
    secondary altricial newborns with head sizes smaller than those
    predicted for non-human primates of the same body size especially when
    soft tissue thickness is adequately approximated. We conclude that australopithecines required cooperative breeding to care for their
    secondary altricial infants. These prerequisites for advanced
    cognitive development therefore seem to have been corollary to
    skeletal adaptations for bipedal locomotion that preceded the
    appearance of the genus Homo and the increase in encephalization.

    Open access:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-022-03321-z

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  • From Paul Crowley@21:1/5 to Pandora on Wed May 11 15:22:47 2022
    On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 4:22:39 PM UTC+1, Pandora wrote:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-022-03321-z

    our simulations further imply that australopithecines, like
    humans, gave birth to immature, secondary altricial newborns
    [. . .] We conclude that australopithecines required cooperative
    breeding to care for their secondary altricial infants.

    They should also have concluded that
    australopiths could not have slept in trees --
    the usual assumption of standard PA -- since
    all other primate infants (whose mothers
    sleep in trees) are not altricial. Primate
    infants need to be able to hold on to their
    mothers all night, using their long strong
    arms and their hand-like feet, a capacity they
    had and have from birth.

    The assumption is nonsensical in any case,
    since (especially on stormy nights, or when
    threatened by predators) large-bodied
    primate mothers need to hold onto branches
    with both their hands and feet. Their infants
    must hold on to their mothers without any
    assistance.

    This means that australopiths slept on the
    ground, with their infants and, if living
    almost anywhere on continental Africa,
    would have been subject to intolerable
    levels of predation.

    Some might have been able to sleep in caves
    in dolomitic landscapes, but they are mostly
    in Southern Africa. There are none close to
    the East African australopith fossil sites.

    A theory that "all early hominins slept in
    caves" could possibly be proposed. It doesn't
    work for me, and I hope that that's not just
    unfamiliarity. Firstly, even if some quasi-
    chimps, coming down from the trees, might
    have slept in caves, they are unlikely to have
    been sufficiently isolated from their ancestral
    tree-living populations. Secondly, the (proto-)
    hominins would still have had to forage in
    the open by day, and had no protection from
    devastating levels of predation. Thirdly, this
    theory provides no basis for the evolution of
    bipedalism; it is a much slower form of
    locomotion (than quadrupedalism), and those
    hominins would always have needed the best
    possible speed.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Paul Crowley on Mon May 16 12:07:33 2022
    On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-4, Paul Crowley wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 4:22:39 PM UTC+1, Pandora wrote:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-022-03321-z
    our simulations further imply that australopithecines, like
    humans, gave birth to immature, secondary altricial newborns
    [. . .] We conclude that australopithecines required cooperative
    breeding to care for their secondary altricial infants.
    They should also have concluded that
    australopiths could not have slept in trees --
    the usual assumption of standard PA -- since
    all other primate infants (whose mothers
    sleep in trees) are not altricial.

    Chimp infants are vastly more altricial vs most mammals and birds.
    Apith infants were certainly very altricial.


    Primate
    infants need to be able to hold on to their
    mothers all night, using their long strong
    arms and their hand-like feet, a capacity they
    had and have from birth.

    The assumption is nonsensical in any case,
    since (especially on stormy nights, or when
    threatened by predators) large-bodied
    primate mothers need to hold onto branches
    with both their hands and feet. Their infants
    must hold on to their mothers without any
    assistance.

    This means that australopiths slept on the
    ground, with their infants and, if living
    almost anywhere on continental Africa,
    would have been subject to intolerable
    levels of predation.

    Some might have been able to sleep in caves
    in dolomitic landscapes, but they are mostly
    in Southern Africa. There are none close to
    the East African australopith fossil sites.

    A theory that "all early hominins slept in
    caves" could possibly be proposed. It doesn't
    work for me, and I hope that that's not just
    unfamiliarity. Firstly, even if some quasi-
    chimps, coming down from the trees, might
    have slept in caves, they are unlikely to have
    been sufficiently isolated from their ancestral
    tree-living populations. Secondly, the (proto-)
    hominins would still have had to forage in
    the open by day, and had no protection from
    devastating levels of predation. Thirdly, this
    theory provides no basis for the evolution of
    bipedalism; it is a much slower form of
    locomotion (than quadrupedalism), and those
    hominins would always have needed the best
    possible speed.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Paul Crowley on Mon May 16 12:18:15 2022
    This comment refers to a post at AAT.io about SIDS Sudden Infant Death Syndrome and new information about an enzyme. I note that when Homo split from arboreal apes, sleeping mother and infant apes were in physical contact all night but sleeping mother
    and infant Homo were merely in close proximity under a shared roof (domeshield).

    -
    SIDS & BChE

    DDeden <[email protected]>

    https://groups.io/g/AAT/message/73812

    They discovered that the enzyme butyrylcholinesterase (BChE) was lower in the babies who died compared to living infants. The enzyme plays a major role in the brain’s arousal pathway, researchers said, accounting for why SIDS typically occurs during
    sleep.
    -

    As a guess, I'd check if leaf-eating primates have the same enzyme and pathway as humans. It's effects against cocaine might indicate protection from various leaf alkaloids in tropical forest trees. In modern humans, the advent of cooking and adoption of
    ground based foods (grains, pulses, dairy) may have altered selective advantages against arboreal foliage alkaloids.

    Too, the change from arboreal bowl nest sleep of intertwined mother & infant great apes to ground sheltered sleep where mother and infant are physically disconnected but nearby under the same roof might be a factor.

    Prophylactic countermeasure against nerve agents
    Butyrylcholinesterase is a prophylactic countermeasure against organophosphate nerve agents. It binds nerve agent in the bloodstream before it can exert effects in the nervous system. Because it is a biological scavenger (and universal target), it is
    currently the only therapeutic agent effective in providing complete stoichiometric protection against the entire spectrum of organophosphate nerve agents.[11]

    Prophylactic against cocaine addiction
    An experimental new drug was developed for the potential treatment of cocaine abuse and overdose based on the pseudocholinesterase structure (it was a human BChE mutant with improved catalytic efficiency). It was shown to remove cocaine from the body
    2000 times as fast as the natural form of BChE. Studies in rats have shown that the drug prevented convulsions and death when administered cocaine overdoses.[12]

    Transplantation of skin cells modified to express the enhanced form of butyrylcholinesterase into mice enables the long-term release of the enzyme and efficiently protects the mice from cocaine-seeking behavior and cocaine overdose.[13]

    DD






    On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-4, Paul Crowley wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 4:22:39 PM UTC+1, Pandora wrote:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-022-03321-z
    our simulations further imply that australopithecines, like
    humans, gave birth to immature, secondary altricial newborns
    [. . .] We conclude that australopithecines required cooperative
    breeding to care for their secondary altricial infants.
    They should also have concluded that
    australopiths could not have slept in trees --
    the usual assumption of standard PA -- since
    all other primate infants (whose mothers
    sleep in trees) are not altricial. Primate
    infants need to be able to hold on to their
    mothers all night, using their long strong
    arms and their hand-like feet, a capacity they
    had and have from birth.

    The assumption is nonsensical in any case,
    since (especially on stormy nights, or when
    threatened by predators) large-bodied
    primate mothers need to hold onto branches
    with both their hands and feet. Their infants
    must hold on to their mothers without any
    assistance.

    This means that australopiths slept on the
    ground, with their infants and, if living
    almost anywhere on continental Africa,
    would have been subject to intolerable
    levels of predation.

    Some might have been able to sleep in caves
    in dolomitic landscapes, but they are mostly
    in Southern Africa. There are none close to
    the East African australopith fossil sites.

    A theory that "all early hominins slept in
    caves" could possibly be proposed. It doesn't
    work for me, and I hope that that's not just
    unfamiliarity. Firstly, even if some quasi-
    chimps, coming down from the trees, might
    have slept in caves, they are unlikely to have
    been sufficiently isolated from their ancestral
    tree-living populations. Secondly, the (proto-)
    hominins would still have had to forage in
    the open by day, and had no protection from
    devastating levels of predation. Thirdly, this
    theory provides no basis for the evolution of
    bipedalism; it is a much slower form of
    locomotion (than quadrupedalism), and those
    hominins would always have needed the best
    possible speed.

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  • From Paul Crowley@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 18 12:56:07 2022
    On Monday 16 May 2022 at 20:07:34 UTC+1, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    Chimp infants are vastly more altricial vs most mammals and birds.

    Chimp infants are precocious enough to
    be able to hold onto their mothers (with
    no assistance from the mother)
    immediately after birth. They also
    quickly learn how climb independently,
    so that when threatened by a leopard
    at night the infant can climb up high
    on thin branches, safe from a leopard.

    How and why would a hominin, living
    in a forest, lose that capacity? How
    would selection favour those who
    were losing it, over those retaining it?

    Apith infants were certainly very altricial.

    It is very clear that apiths did NOT live
    in forests where they were under threat
    of nocturnal (or any) predation. They
    could not live with serious predators,
    like larger felids or hyena; nor could
    their infants tolerate , medium-sized
    omnivores, like wild boar. Nor would
    they cope with small canids, felids or
    mongooses, any of which might take
    a bite from a defenceless infant.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri May 27 12:04:05 2022
    On Wed, 11 May 2022 15:22:47 -0700 (PDT), Paul Crowley
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 4:22:39 PM UTC+1, Pandora wrote:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-022-03321-z

    our simulations further imply that australopithecines, like
    humans, gave birth to immature, secondary altricial newborns
    [. . .] We conclude that australopithecines required cooperative
    breeding to care for their secondary altricial infants.

    They should also have concluded that
    australopiths could not have slept in trees --
    the usual assumption of standard PA -- since
    all other primate infants (whose mothers
    sleep in trees) are not altricial. Primate
    infants need to be able to hold on to their
    mothers all night, using their long strong
    arms and their hand-like feet, a capacity they
    had and have from birth.

    The assumption is nonsensical in any case,
    since (especially on stormy nights, or when
    threatened by predators) large-bodied
    primate mothers need to hold onto branches
    with both their hands and feet. Their infants
    must hold on to their mothers without any
    assistance.

    I recently noticed this video of a chimp mother, Jire, who carried her
    dead infant, Jokro, around for a month. https://www.greencorridor.info/en/videos/jokro/

    Dead is about as altricial as you can get.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Pandora on Fri May 27 04:15:27 2022
    On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 6:04:06 AM UTC-4, Pandora wrote:
    On Wed, 11 May 2022 15:22:47 -0700 (PDT), Paul Crowley
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 4:22:39 PM UTC+1, Pandora wrote:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-022-03321-z

    our simulations further imply that australopithecines, like
    humans, gave birth to immature, secondary altricial newborns
    [. . .] We conclude that australopithecines required cooperative
    breeding to care for their secondary altricial infants.

    They should also have concluded that
    australopiths could not have slept in trees --
    the usual assumption of standard PA -- since
    all other primate infants (whose mothers
    sleep in trees) are not altricial. Primate
    infants need to be able to hold on to their
    mothers all night, using their long strong
    arms and their hand-like feet, a capacity they
    had and have from birth.

    The assumption is nonsensical in any case,
    since (especially on stormy nights, or when
    threatened by predators) large-bodied
    primate mothers need to hold onto branches
    with both their hands and feet. Their infants
    must hold on to their mothers without any
    assistance.
    I recently noticed this video of a chimp mother, Jire, who carried her
    dead infant, Jokro, around for a month. https://www.greencorridor.info/en/videos/jokro/

    Dead is about as altricial as you can get.
    !

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  • From Paul Crowley@21:1/5 to Pandora on Sat May 28 04:54:29 2022
    On Friday 27 May 2022 at 11:04:06 UTC+1, Pandora wrote:

    The assumption is nonsensical in any case,
    since (especially on stormy nights, or when
    threatened by predators) large-bodied
    primate mothers need to hold onto branches
    with both their hands and feet. Their infants
    must hold on to their mothers without any
    assistance.

    I recently noticed this video of a chimp mother, Jire, who carried her
    dead infant, Jokro, around for a month. https://www.greencorridor.info/en/videos/jokro/

    Dead is about as altricial as you can get.

    This was the body of a 2.5 y/old infant.
    It rapidly became desiccated. But the
    main points are (1) the mother could
    trap the long arm of her dead infant
    under her chin (against her body) with
    the infant slung on her back, so that she
    could use all four limbs for climbing, etc.
    (2) there were no dangerous predators
    in the vicinity (the humans would not
    have stayed around so casually).

    Human infants do not have long arms
    (since they are not meant to grip
    anything with them). Australopiths
    can be assumed to have been similar.
    This (very odd) behaviour by this
    chimp mother would not have been
    possible for a human or australopith.

    ". . .Based on a range of pelvic reconstructions and fetal head sizes, our simulations further imply that australopithecines, like humans, gave
    birth to immature, secondary altricial newborns with head sizes smaller
    than those predicted for non-human primates of the same body size
    especially when soft tissue thickness is adequately approximated. We
    conclude that australopithecines required cooperative breeding to care
    for their secondary altricial infants.. . "

    Altriciality in infants rules out regular
    tree-climbing (and regular tree-sleeping)
    by australopith mother/infant dyads.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon May 30 13:59:26 2022
    On Sat, 28 May 2022 04:54:29 -0700 (PDT), Paul Crowley
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Friday 27 May 2022 at 11:04:06 UTC+1, Pandora wrote:

    The assumption is nonsensical in any case,
    since (especially on stormy nights, or when
    threatened by predators) large-bodied
    primate mothers need to hold onto branches
    with both their hands and feet. Their infants
    must hold on to their mothers without any
    assistance.

    I recently noticed this video of a chimp mother, Jire, who carried her
    dead infant, Jokro, around for a month.
    https://www.greencorridor.info/en/videos/jokro/

    Dead is about as altricial as you can get.

    This was the body of a 2.5 y/old infant.
    It rapidly became desiccated. But the
    main points are (1) the mother could
    trap the long arm of her dead infant
    under her chin (against her body) with
    the infant slung on her back, so that she
    could use all four limbs for climbing, etc.
    (2) there were no dangerous predators
    in the vicinity (the humans would not
    have stayed around so casually).

    There are definitely leopards in the Mount Nimba area.

    Human infants do not have long arms
    (since they are not meant to grip
    anything with them). Australopiths
    can be assumed to have been similar.
    This (very odd) behaviour by this
    chimp mother would not have been
    possible for a human or australopith.

    I'm not suggesting that apiths would carry an infant like that, but as indicated by the humerofemoral and intermembral index they had
    relatively longer arms than humans (86.6 and 85.5 respectively in StW
    573, 70.9 and 68.8 in human females, 102.6 and 109.4 in female
    chimps).
    The point is that if a dead infant can be carried along then who knows
    how creative a mom can be with a slightly more cooperative living
    infant.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Pandora on Mon May 30 19:28:20 2022
    On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:59:27 AM UTC-4, Pandora wrote:
    On Sat, 28 May 2022 04:54:29 -0700 (PDT), Paul Crowley
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Friday 27 May 2022 at 11:04:06 UTC+1, Pandora wrote:

    The assumption is nonsensical in any case,
    since (especially on stormy nights, or when
    threatened by predators) large-bodied
    primate mothers need to hold onto branches
    with both their hands and feet. Their infants
    must hold on to their mothers without any
    assistance.

    I recently noticed this video of a chimp mother, Jire, who carried her
    dead infant, Jokro, around for a month.
    https://www.greencorridor.info/en/videos/jokro/

    Dead is about as altricial as you can get.

    This was the body of a 2.5 y/old infant.
    It rapidly became desiccated. But the
    main points are (1) the mother could
    trap the long arm of her dead infant
    under her chin (against her body) with
    the infant slung on her back, so that she
    could use all four limbs for climbing, etc.
    (2) there were no dangerous predators
    in the vicinity (the humans would not
    have stayed around so casually).
    There are definitely leopards in the Mount Nimba area.
    Human infants do not have long arms
    (since they are not meant to grip
    anything with them). Australopiths
    can be assumed to have been similar.
    This (very odd) behaviour by this
    chimp mother would not have been
    possible for a human or australopith.
    I'm not suggesting that apiths would carry an infant like that, but as indicated by the humerofemoral and intermembral index they had
    relatively longer arms than humans (86.6 and 85.5 respectively in StW
    573, 70.9 and 68.8 in human females, 102.6 and 109.4 in female
    chimps).
    The point is that if a dead infant can be carried along then who knows
    how creative a mom can be with a slightly more cooperative living
    infant.

    Good points all. PC constantly harps on the uselessness of modern babies, but he ignores the behavior of H&G babies , and presumes sedentary agriculture, domestication, technology had no effect on infant care & behavior.

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  • From Paul Crowley@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 31 13:49:54 2022
    On Tuesday 31 May 2022 at 03:28:21 UTC+1, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    Good points all. PC constantly harps on the uselessness of modern
    babies,

    Human babies are 'useless' because they
    need to be. No mother of a two-month old
    would want a lively mobile baby that she had
    to watch all the time. Selection against
    physical precociousness works. Babies that
    get too active too early get into trouble, and
    suffer accidents, such as falling into shallow
    pools of water and drowning.

    but he ignores the behavior of H&G babies , and presumes sedentary agriculture, domestication, technology had no effect on infant care & behavior.

    Human babies are the same the world over.
    You've got some far-fetched sentimental
    ideas about H/G infants, derived from fake
    romantic stories.

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