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  • Ridiculous Reasoning (even Darwin!)

    From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 12 01:24:13 2022
    1)
    -All primates live in forests, only human live outside forests.
    -All primates are quadrupedal, only humans are bipedal.
    Ergo: leaving the forests led to bipedality.

    2)
    -Human closest relatives Pan & Gorilla live in Africa.
    -Humans live in Africa & elsewhere.
    Ergo: human ancestors lived in Africa.

    3)
    -In Africa we have tropical forest & savanna.
    Ergo: leaving the forest means linving in savanna.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Mar 12 12:35:06 2022
    [email protected] wrote:

    1)
    -All primates live in forests, only human live outside forests.
    -All primates are quadrupedal, only humans are bipedal.
    Ergo: leaving the forests led to bipedality.

    2)
    -Human closest relatives Pan & Gorilla live in Africa.
    -Humans live in Africa & elsewhere.
    Ergo: human ancestors lived in Africa.

    3)
    -In Africa we have tropical forest & savanna.
    Ergo: leaving the forest means linving in savanna.

    There's also a MASSIVE selection bias. They dig where it's both
    easy to dig and the conditions favor fossilization, AND THEN
    assume anything they pull out of the ground is representative
    of human ancestry.

    I've been pointing to the Glacial/Interglacial cycle for 10 hundred
    gazillion years: Lengthy glacial periods punctuated by much
    briefer interglacials, like the one screaming towards an end right
    now. During glacial periods -- i.e. most of the time -- sea levals
    were much lower and the coast was further out. So the best
    place to look for our ancestors is actually beneath the waves.

    Nobody is searching for our common ancestors, they're all
    looking for inland populations. Some of the inland populations
    may have living descendants, all the inland populations may have
    living descendants but none of them are common to everyone.

    Only the Aquatic Ape/waterside population is common to everyone.




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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Mar 12 19:05:02 2022
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 4:24:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
    1)
    -All primates live in forests, only human live outside forests.
    -All primates are quadrupedal, only humans are bipedal.
    Ergo: leaving the forests led to bipedality.

    2)
    -Human closest relatives Pan & Gorilla live in Africa.
    -Humans live in Africa & elsewhere.
    Ergo: human ancestors lived in Africa.

    3)
    -In Africa we have tropical forest & savanna.
    Ergo: leaving the forest means linving in savanna.

    All hominoids are mostly vertical upright bipedal in forest trees, and on forest ground when impeded by carrying or walking in water or thick brush. Leaving the forests for open plains or open water did not select for or against bipedalism in hominoids
    nor in avians. LCA HPG and LCA HP most likely lived near or in Africa. Humans did not leave the forest, but brought it with them in the form of forest products and still remain dependent upon them. All people of treeless plains and and coastal shores and
    deserts used wood for shelters, tools and weapons.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 12 19:37:58 2022
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    All hominoids are mostly vertical upright bipedal in forest trees, and

    Chimps are descended from upright walkers, not knuckle walkers, and
    Gorillas probably were as well. Their knuckle walking is an adaptation
    to the forests which only arose sometime after they diverged from the
    human line.

    The mostly likely scenario is that competition from the human side of
    the family drove them to a new niche or, as I content, drove them from
    a more generalist existence to a specialist niche.





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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 13 03:38:36 2022
    Op zondag 13 maart 2022 om 04:05:03 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:


    1)
    -All primates live in forests, only human live outside forests.
    -All primates are quadrupedal, only humans are bipedal.
    Ergo: leaving the forests led to bipedality.
    2)
    -Human closest relatives Pan & Gorilla live in Africa.
    -Humans live in Africa & elsewhere.
    Ergo: human ancestors lived in Africa.
    3)
    -In Africa we have tropical forest & savanna.
    Ergo: leaving the forest means linving in savanna.

    All hominoids are mostly vertical upright bipedal in forest trees,

    No: in forest swamps, e.g.
    - gorillas wading for sedges,
    - bonobos wading for waterlilies.
    Google our Trends Ecol.Evol.paper "Aquarboreal Ancestors?" TREE 21:212-7.

    ... LCA HPG and LCA HP most likely lived near or in Africa.

    Yes, my boy, at the Red Sea or Gulf between Africa & Arabia.
    Why don't you inform a bit before talking??
    You're wasting our time.
    Google "ape human evolution made easy PPT Verhaegen".

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Mar 13 22:26:07 2022
    On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 6:38:37 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
    Op zondag 13 maart 2022 om 04:05:03 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
    1)
    -All primates live in forests, only human live outside forests.
    -All primates are quadrupedal, only humans are bipedal.
    Ergo: leaving the forests led to bipedality.
    2)
    -Human closest relatives Pan & Gorilla live in Africa.
    -Humans live in Africa & elsewhere.
    Ergo: human ancestors lived in Africa.
    3)
    -In Africa we have tropical forest & savanna.
    Ergo: leaving the forest means linving in savanna.

    All hominoids are mostly vertical upright bipedal in forest trees.

    No:
    Wrong.

    in forest swamps, e.g.
    - gorillas wading for sedges,

    Wrong, sedges are a "fallback food" which are too 'fibrous' for their normal diet. They do eat high-protein hydrocharis, a "preferred food" year around, in forest bais, as I recently posted here, they mostly sit while finger-raking it, and locomote both
    quadrupedally and bipedally, whereas in trees they don't locomote quadrupedally. Study a bit, you might learn something about real apes.

    - bonobos wading for waterlilies.

    Bonobos locomote both quadrupedally and bipedally while seeking high-iodine swamp plants, whereas in trees they don't locomote quadrupedally. Study a bit, you might learn something about real apes.

    Google our Trends Ecol.Evol.paper "Aquarboreal Ancestors?" TREE 21:212-7.
    Pseudoscience?

    ... LCA HPG and LCA HP most likely lived near or in Africa.

    Yes

    (Garbage snipped.)

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 15 20:23:34 2022
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    Bonobos locomote both quadrupedally and bipedally while seeking

    Who cares? They're not a model for our ancestors. They're not even a model
    for the LCA.

    Chimps including Bonobo Chimps descend from upright walkers. They've
    been evolving AWAY from that ever since.

    CHIMPS ARE AS FAR REMOVED FROM THE LCA AS WE ARE!

    Darwin was a moron, and so aren't you.





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