• Chimp stick "sword fighting"

    From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 27 10:29:36 2022
    At LA zoo

    https://youtu.be/6lQcKiFy_DM


    Lots of open-hand slapping down on prone chimp shoulders, gorillas do similar, forceful but not grabbing, probably in between play fighting and real fighting.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 27 23:20:07 2022
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    At LA zoo

    https://youtu.be/6lQcKiFy_DM

    Which one are you?




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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Mon Feb 28 01:00:38 2022
    On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 2:20:08 AM UTC-5, I Envy JTEM wrote:
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    At LA zoo

    https://youtu.be/6lQcKiFy_DM
    Which one are you?




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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 28 03:02:31 2022
    Op zondag 27 februari 2022 om 19:29:38 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

    At LA zoo
    https://youtu.be/6lQcKiFy_DM

    Thanks, DD.
    Bipedal: google our TREE paper"Aquarboreal Ancestors?" (Trends Ecol.Evol.17:212-245,).

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Feb 28 13:13:15 2022
    On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 6:02:32 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
    Op zondag 27 februari 2022 om 19:29:38 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
    At LA zoo
    https://youtu.be/6lQcKiFy_DM
    Thanks, DD.
    Bipedal: google our TREE paper"Aquarboreal Ancestors?" (Trends Ecol.Evol.17:212-245,).

    Actual: Hominoids carry bipedally everywhere, high in canopy, on savanna, on forest tree branches. I hope you're not claiming that gibbons ancestors were "aquarboreal" again!

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 1 15:27:01 2022
    gibbons ancestors were "aquarboreal"

    Good boy:
    yes, early hominoids were aquarboreal, of course:
    - centrally-placed spine = vertical
    - tail loss = aqua
    - broad sternum (Hominoidea = Latisternalia)
    - broad thorax = not cursorial, not above-branch = lateral & upward arm movements
    - broad pelvis = lateral leg movements

    Google our Trends Ecol.Evol.paper:
    "Aquarboreal Ancestors?"
    TREE 17:212-7, 2000

    Only incredible imbeciles believe early hominoids were not aquarboreal.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 1 16:42:40 2022
    On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 6:27:02 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
    gibbons ancestors were "aquarboreal"

    Good boy:
    yes, early hominoids were aquarboreal, of course:
    - centrally-placed spine = vertical
    - tail loss = aqua
    - broad sternum (Hominoidea = Latisternalia)
    - broad thorax = not cursorial, not above-branch = lateral & upward arm movements
    - broad pelvis = lateral leg movements

    Google our Trends Ecol.Evol.paper:
    "Aquarboreal Ancestors?"
    TREE 17:212-7, 2000

    Only incredible imbeciles believe early hominoids were not aquarboreal.
    incredible aquarboreal imbeciles...

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Tue Mar 1 20:50:25 2022
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    At LA zoo

    https://youtu.be/6lQcKiFy_DM

    Which one are you?

    The one beating you.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 1 20:51:45 2022
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    At LA zoo

    https://youtu.be/6lQcKiFy_DM


    Lots of open-hand slapping down on prone chimp shoulders, gorillas do similar, forceful but not grabbing, probably in between play fighting and real fighting.


    Did you notice all the bipedal behavior?

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 1 22:11:48 2022
    [email protected] wrote:
    Op zondag 27 februari 2022 om 19:29:38 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

    At LA zoo
    https://youtu.be/6lQcKiFy_DM

    Thanks, DD.
    Bipedal: google our TREE paper"Aquarboreal Ancestors?" (Trends Ecol.Evol.17:212-245,).


    Stick fighting in water?

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 1 22:22:49 2022
    I was just talking about Toba elsewhere, and that major impact event that happened like 800,000 years ago... how they had to happen or humanity
    would be quite different... how if there's any truth to "Out of Asia" then humanity was actually set back quite a bit when the most "highly evolved" populations was splattered like bugs on the windshield of an asteroid...
    and later Toba,

    But this all relates to Aquatic Ape!

    Where's the absolute SAFEST place to be during a climate catastrophe the
    likes of which a Toba or major asteroid impact caused?

    THE COAST!

    The ocean moderates climate, temperature. It takes a lot of energy to heat
    up water, water holds so much energy it cools down very very slowly...

    AND THE EQUATOR!

    The closer to the equator you are, the closer to the coast, the better off you're
    going to be. So, waterside populations are going to <ahem> "Weather" these disasters the very best.

    Inland populations are going to be struck much harder, the northern hemisphere is going to be struck harder (far longer) than the southern and an inland northern population is royally #$*&!!!!



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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Tue Mar 1 22:23:51 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Did you notice all the bipedal behavior?

    From a species that shares more of it's DNA with humans and evolved
    directly from a bipedal common ancestor? Wow. What are the odds?




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  • From Paul Crowley@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 2 05:35:37 2022
    gibbons ancestors were "aquarboreal"

    - centrally-placed spine = vertical
    - tail loss = aqua

    Take a look at this video of a white-cheeked
    gibbon brachiating
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3JhwjNfx_g

    Would a tail be of any use to this gibbon?
    Or would it be an encumbrance?

    Our ancestors lost their tails when the
    ancestral monkey-like primate evolved
    into a gibbon.

    Only incredible imbeciles believe early hominoids were not aquarboreal.

    Only incredible imbeciles believe early
    hominoids were aquarboreal (whatever
    that word might mean).

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Paul Crowley on Wed Mar 2 17:01:01 2022
    On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:35:38 AM UTC-5, Paul Crowley wrote:
    gibbons ancestors were "aquarboreal"

    - centrally-placed spine = vertical
    - tail loss = aqua
    Take a look at this video of a white-cheeked
    gibbon brachiating
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3JhwjNfx_g

    Would a tail be of any use to this gibbon?
    Or would it be an encumbrance?

    Our ancestors lost their tails when the
    ancestral monkey-like primate evolved
    into a gibbon.
    Only incredible imbeciles believe early hominoids were not aquarboreal.

    Only incredible imbeciles believe early
    hominoids were aquarboreal (whatever
    that word might mean).

    Tail loss before fast brachiation, due to upright bipedalism on branches, slow brachiation & vertically oriented climbing combined with upright perching on horizontal branches (same as avian tail loss). Wading, swimming & diving played virtually no part
    in tail loss, note many monkeys with long tails wade bipedally occasionally.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 3 09:20:41 2022
    Op donderdag 3 maart 2022 om 02:01:03 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:


    Tail loss before fast brachiation, due to upright bipedalism on branches, slow brachiation & vertically oriented climbing combined with upright perching on horizontal branches (same as avian tail loss). Wading, swimming & diving played virtually no
    part in tail loss, note many monkeys with long tails wade bipedally occasionally.

    My little boy with the mermaid brain:
    the only monkey with shortened tail = simakobu = mangrove-dwelling.
    :-D

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Mar 3 09:51:20 2022
    On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:20:42 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
    Op donderdag 3 maart 2022 om 02:01:03 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
    Tail loss before fast brachiation, due to upright bipedalism on branches, slow brachiation & vertically oriented climbing combined with upright perching on horizontal branches (same as avian tail loss). Wading, swimming & diving played virtually no
    part in tail loss, note many monkeys with long tails wade bipedally occasionally.
    My little boy with the mermaid brain:
    the only monkey with shortened tail = simakobu = mangrove-dwelling.
    :-D

    Short tail, short nose, highland. Study a bit.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Mar 4 00:32:28 2022
    On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:20:42 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
    Op donderdag 3 maart 2022 om 02:01:03 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
    Tail loss before fast brachiation, due to upright bipedalism on branches, slow brachiation & vertically oriented climbing combined with upright perching on horizontal branches (same as avian tail loss). Wading, swimming & diving played virtually no
    part in tail loss, note many monkeys with long tails wade bipedally occasionally.
    My little boy with the mermaid brain:
    the only monkey with shortened tail = simakobu = mangrove-dwelling.
    :-D

    Monkeys with shortened tails:
    Barbary macaque, pig-tailed macaque, Sulawesi macaque, etc.
    Study a bit.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 06:20:46 2022
    Op vrijdag 4 maart 2022 om 09:32:29 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:


    Tail loss before fast brachiation, due to upright bipedalism on branches, slow brachiation & vertically oriented climbing combined with upright perching on horizontal branches (same as avian tail loss). Wading, swimming & diving played virtually no
    part in tail loss, note many monkeys with long tails wade bipedally occasionally.

    My little boy with the mermaid brain:
    the only monkey with shortened tail = simakobu = mangrove-dwelling.

    Monkeys with shortened tails:
    Barbary macaque, pig-tailed macaque, Sulawesi macaque, etc.

    Yes, my little mermaid, thanks: macaques are also coastal dwellers. QED. :-) Study a bit:

    Atypical tooth wear found in fossil hominins also present in a Japanese macaque population
    Ian Towle cs 2022
    ... Japanese macaques ...
    Accidental ingestion of sand & oral processing of marine mollusks likely creates these atypical wear patterns.
    Implications for similar wear that has been associated with tool-use in fossil hominin samples were discussed.

    Do you understand "marine mollusks", my little mermaid?
    How did you think erectus got its large brain??
    By eating seaweeds??

    Only incredible idiots still believe erectus ran after antelopes:
    -large brain, POS, shell engravings, coastal plain etc.etc....
    -google "Joordens Munro"

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Mar 5 07:45:29 2022
    On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:20:42 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
    Op donderdag 3 maart 2022 om 02:01:03 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
    Tail loss before fast brachiation, due to upright bipedalism on branches, slow brachiation & vertically oriented climbing combined with upright perching on horizontal branches (same as avian tail loss). Wading, swimming & diving played virtually no
    part in tail loss, note many monkeys with long tails wade bipedally occasionally.
    My little boy with the mermaid brain:
    the only monkey with shortened tail = simakobu = mangrove-dwelling.
    :-D
    .

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Wed Mar 16 21:35:43 2022
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Did you notice all the bipedal behavior?

    From a species that shares more of it's DNA with humans and evolved
    directly from a bipedal common ancestor? Wow. What are the odds?

    IOW, no need for water and snorkel noses...

    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    At LA zoo

    https://youtu.be/6lQcKiFy_DM


    Lots of open-hand slapping down on prone chimp shoulders, gorillas do
    similar, forceful but not grabbing, probably in between play fighting and
    real fighting.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Thu Mar 17 01:50:45 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    IOW, no need for water and snorkel noses...

    And that means... what?

    It's not at all clear what you're imagining.

    Several million years of evolving AWAY from their upright ancestors
    a chimp clumsily waved around a stick like a club, and this means...

    What?





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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Tue Mar 29 23:00:41 2022
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    IOW, no need for water and snorkel noses...

    And that means... what?

    Water and snorkel noses not needed as per AAM (Aquatic Ape Mythology)

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Fri Apr 1 13:50:54 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Water and snorkel noses not needed as per AAM (Aquatic Ape Mythology)

    Oh boy, we need to take this slow...

    Chimps aren't a model for any human ancestor. Chimps aren't
    even a model for their own ancestor, our last common ancestor.

    The LCA was upright, and likely used tools, not a knuckle walker...

    Chimps share almost all of their evolutionary development, and DNA,
    with us. They are not a model for development without a waterside
    ancestor, they are all but proven to have waterside ancestors!




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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Fri Apr 1 17:21:34 2022
    On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 4:50:55 PM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Water and snorkel noses not needed as per AAM (Aquatic Ape Mythology)
    Oh boy, we need to take this slow...

    Chimps aren't a model for any human ancestor. Chimps aren't
    even a model for their own ancestor, our last common ancestor.

    The LCA was upright, and likely used tools, not a knuckle walker...

    Chimps share almost all of their evolutionary development, and DNA,
    with us. They are not a model for development without a waterside
    ancestor, they are all but proven to have waterside ancestors!




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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 2 15:04:10 2022
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    [...]

    Remember that you're competing for my attention against online
    porn, and right now you are not winning.




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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Sun Apr 3 04:02:50 2022
    On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 6:04:11 PM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    [...]

    Remember that you're competing for my attention against online
    porn, and right now you are not winning.




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    ADD? S&M? Quick, guzzle some CLO!

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Sun Apr 17 22:28:28 2022
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Water and snorkel noses not needed as per AAM (Aquatic Ape Mythology)

    Oh boy, we need to take this slow...

    Chimps aren't a model for any human ancestor. Chimps aren't
    even a model for their own ancestor, our last common ancestor.

    The LCA was upright, and likely used tools, not a knuckle walker...

    Chimps share almost all of their evolutionary development, and DNA,
    with us. They are not a model for development without a waterside
    ancestor, they are all but proven to have waterside ancestors!

    Since we didn't have a waterside ancestor, chimps serve well as an
    evolutionary model.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Mon Apr 18 21:07:23 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Since we didn't have a waterside ancestor

    Well you did post a video of a chimp swinging around a stick in
    an almost club like fashion, what better evidence for endurance
    hunting on a savanna could you possibly need?



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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Tue May 3 14:43:43 2022
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Since we didn't have a waterside ancestor

    Well you did post a video of a chimp swinging around a stick in
    an almost club like fashion, what better evidence for endurance
    hunting on a savanna could you possibly need?

    AA "thinking" considers that a snorkel nose.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Tue May 3 16:49:50 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    AA "thinking" considers that a snorkel nose.

    Who cares? Aquatic Ape is accepted by everyone, even the Out of Africa
    purists. It's how our genus spread, it's WHY our genus spread.

    Do you honestly not know this? Are you genuinely incapable of discerning
    what is or is not relevant to your own argument?





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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Tue May 10 22:32:31 2022
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    AA "thinking" considers that a snorkel nose.

    Who cares? Aquatic Ape is accepted by everyone, even the Out of Africa

    That's the biggest whopper you stated yet...

    purists. It's how our genus spread, it's WHY our genus spread.

    Do you honestly not know this? Are you genuinely incapable of discerning
    what is or is not relevant to your own argument?

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 11 07:08:39 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    You don't seem to know how to deconstruct a problem, ascertain what
    is or isn't critical, and I have to admit that I find this hilarious.

    EVERYONE agrees on coastal dispersal. It's the very method everyone
    agrees was used to spread our genus across the globe: Following
    the coast. And because this all began several million years before the
    first McDonalds restaurant, we know if they were on the beach,
    following the coast they were living there. They were eating there. They
    were exploiting marine resources. We all know this, including the Out
    of Africa purists.

    Deal with it. Accept reality and deal with it.




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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Sun May 22 23:50:44 2022
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    You don't seem to know how to deconstruct a problem, ascertain what
    is or isn't critical, and I have to admit that I find this hilarious.

    EVERYONE agrees on coastal dispersal. It's the very method everyone

    They do? Evidence for that claim?

    agrees was used to spread our genus across the globe: Following
    the coast. And because this all began several million years before the
    first McDonalds restaurant, we know if they were on the beach,
    following the coast they were living there. They were eating there. They
    were exploiting marine resources. We all know this, including the Out
    of Africa purists.

    Deal with it. Accept reality and deal with it.


    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    At LA zoo

    https://youtu.be/6lQcKiFy_DM


    Lots of open-hand slapping down on prone chimp shoulders, gorillas do
    similar, forceful but not grabbing, probably in between play fighting and
    real fighting.


    Did you notice all the bipedal behavior? No swimming!

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