• Re: endurance runners

    From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Feb 6 00:42:40 2022
    On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 3:30:31 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/06/i-didnt-even-know-this-was-humanly-possible-the-woman-who-can-descend-into-the-sea-on-one-breath

    Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 6 00:30:30 2022
  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 6 15:21:09 2022
    Op zondag 6 februari 2022 om 09:42:41 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/06/i-didnt-even-know-this-was-humanly-possible-the-woman-who-can-descend-into-the-sea-on-one-breath

    Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.

    :-D

    “The nowadays popular ideas about Pleistocene human ancestors running in open plains (‘endurance running’, ‘dogged pursuit of swifter animals’, ‘born to run’, ‘le singe coureur’, ‘Savannahstan’) are among the worst scientific
    hypotheses ever proposed.” (Hum.Evol.28:237-266,- 2013).

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Feb 6 15:27:01 2022
    On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 6:21:10 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
    Op zondag 6 februari 2022 om 09:42:41 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/06/i-didnt-even-know-this-was-humanly-possible-the-woman-who-can-descend-into-the-sea-on-one-breath

    Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.
    :-D

    “The nowadays popular ideas about Pleistocene human ancestors running in open plains (‘endurance running’, ‘dogged pursuit of swifter animals’, ‘born to run’, ‘le singe coureur’, ‘Savannahstan’) are among the worst scientific
    hypotheses ever proposed.” (Hum.Evol.28:237-266,- 2013).

    Says the one who breathlessly thinks mermaids were human ancestors. Diagnosis: hypoxia.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 7 03:49:13 2022
    “The nowadays popular ideas about Pleistocene human ancestors running in open plains (‘endurance running’, ‘dogged pursuit of swifter animals’, ‘born to run’, ‘le singe coureur’, ‘Savannahstan’) are among the worst scientific
    hypotheses ever proposed.” (Hum.Evol.28:237-266,- 2013).

    Says the one who breathlessly thinks mermaids were human ancestors. Diagnosis: hypoxia.

    Grow up, my little little boy.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Feb 15 23:13:24 2022
  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Feb 15 23:22:48 2022
    [email protected] wrote:
    Op zondag 6 februari 2022 om 09:42:41 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/06/i-didnt-even-know-this-was-humanly-possible-the-woman-who-can-descend-into-the-sea-on-one-breath

    Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.

    :-D

    “The nowadays popular ideas about Pleistocene human ancestors running in open plains (‘endurance running’, ‘dogged pursuit of swifter animals’, ‘born to run’, ‘le singe coureur’, ‘Savannahstan’) are among the worst scientific
    hypotheses ever proposed.” (Hum.Evol.28:237-266,- 2013).


    Tell us the author of that quote is, mv... you ashamed to admit it?

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 15 23:20:16 2022
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 3:30:31 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/06/i-didnt-even-know-this-was-humanly-possible-the-woman-who-can-descend-into-the-sea-on-one-breath

    Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.


    In humans, breathing is decoupled from locomotion

    https://researchmatters.in/news/endurance-running-and-human-evolution-what-does-new-evidence-hunter-gatherers-add-debate

    "Sweating is a far more efficient way of cooling than panting, which is
    the evaporation
    of water from the smaller surface area of the mouth and lungs. Panting is distinguished
    from mouth-breathing—another human behaviour that makes endurance running easy.
    The process of combined mouth- and nose-breathing and the rate at which it happens,
    is also decoupled from the mechanics of locomotion.

    "In most running quadrupeds, the synchronised movement of the diaphragm
    and visceral
    organs during running works to push air in and out of the lungs, so
    running speed is closely
    tied to the respiratory rate at a 1:1 ratio. Hence, they cannot increase
    their running speed
    without increasing their respiratory rate. Further, due to the necessity
    of panting through
    the mouth, there is a point of trade-off where greater running speed,
    requiring greater heat
    dissipation, does not allow for fast enough panting."

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Wed Feb 16 10:56:25 2022
    On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:20:16 AM UTC-5, Primum Sapienti wrote:
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 3:30:31 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/06/i-didnt-even-know-this-was-humanly-possible-the-woman-who-can-descend-into-the-sea-on-one-breath

    Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.

    In humans, breathing is decoupled from locomotion

    https://researchmatters.in/news/endurance-running-and-human-evolution-what-does-new-evidence-hunter-gatherers-add-debate

    "Sweating is a far more efficient way of cooling than panting, which is
    the evaporation
    of water from the smaller surface area of the mouth and lungs. Panting is distinguished
    from mouth-breathing—another human behaviour that makes endurance running easy.
    The process of combined mouth- and nose-breathing and the rate at which it happens,
    is also decoupled from the mechanics of locomotion.

    "In most running quadrupeds, the synchronised movement of the diaphragm
    and visceral
    organs during running works to push air in and out of the lungs, so
    running speed is closely
    tied to the respiratory rate at a 1:1 ratio. Hence, they cannot increase their running speed
    without increasing their respiratory rate. Further, due to the necessity
    of panting through
    the mouth, there is a point of trade-off where greater running speed, requiring greater heat
    dissipation, does not allow for fast enough panting."

    They are comparing Hs with typical open plains quadrupedal ungulate mammals whose breathing is in rhythm with their limb gait. We can chat and juggle while jogging, obviously we are partly 'decoupled' in that sense.

    But I meant something different. On a hot sunny day, try diving while breath-holding, then try jogging while breath-holding. The dive will last longer than the run. Our decoupled breathing allows for better breath control, so we can talk and sing far
    longer than other fauna while still or walking or even slow running.

    Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 1 22:06:39 2022
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:20:16 AM UTC-5, Primum Sapienti wrote:
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 3:30:31 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote: >>>> https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/06/i-didnt-even-know-this-was-humanly-possible-the-woman-who-can-descend-into-the-sea-on-one-breath

    Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.

    In humans, breathing is decoupled from locomotion

    https://researchmatters.in/news/endurance-running-and-human-evolution-what-does-new-evidence-hunter-gatherers-add-debate

    "Sweating is a far more efficient way of cooling than panting, which is
    the evaporation
    of water from the smaller surface area of the mouth and lungs. Panting is
    distinguished
    from mouth-breathing—another human behaviour that makes endurance running >> easy.
    The process of combined mouth- and nose-breathing and the rate at which it >> happens,
    is also decoupled from the mechanics of locomotion.

    "In most running quadrupeds, the synchronised movement of the diaphragm
    and visceral
    organs during running works to push air in and out of the lungs, so
    running speed is closely
    tied to the respiratory rate at a 1:1 ratio. Hence, they cannot increase
    their running speed
    without increasing their respiratory rate. Further, due to the necessity
    of panting through
    the mouth, there is a point of trade-off where greater running speed,
    requiring greater heat
    dissipation, does not allow for fast enough panting."

    They are comparing Hs with typical open plains quadrupedal ungulate mammals whose breathing is in rhythm with their limb gait. We can chat and juggle while jogging, obviously we are partly 'decoupled' in that sense.

    But I meant something different. On a hot sunny day, try diving while breath-holding, then try jogging while breath-holding. The dive will last longer than the run. Our decoupled breathing allows for better breath control, so we can talk and sing far
    longer than other fauna while still or walking or even slow running.

    Hmmm. Would like to see some documentation on that.

    Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.

    Wellll, there's a lot of lee way in that. I know a bunch of runners, short
    and long distances,
    economy is important but it's important in swimming.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Wed Mar 2 17:12:02 2022
    On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 12:06:39 AM UTC-5, Primum Sapienti wrote:
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:20:16 AM UTC-5, Primum Sapienti wrote:
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 3:30:31 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/06/i-didnt-even-know-this-was-humanly-possible-the-woman-who-can-descend-into-the-sea-on-one-breath

    Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.

    In humans, breathing is decoupled from locomotion

    https://researchmatters.in/news/endurance-running-and-human-evolution-what-does-new-evidence-hunter-gatherers-add-debate

    "Sweating is a far more efficient way of cooling than panting, which is >> the evaporation
    of water from the smaller surface area of the mouth and lungs. Panting is >> distinguished
    from mouth-breathing—another human behaviour that makes endurance running
    easy.
    The process of combined mouth- and nose-breathing and the rate at which it
    happens,
    is also decoupled from the mechanics of locomotion.

    "In most running quadrupeds, the synchronised movement of the diaphragm >> and visceral
    organs during running works to push air in and out of the lungs, so
    running speed is closely
    tied to the respiratory rate at a 1:1 ratio. Hence, they cannot increase >> their running speed
    without increasing their respiratory rate. Further, due to the necessity >> of panting through
    the mouth, there is a point of trade-off where greater running speed,
    requiring greater heat
    dissipation, does not allow for fast enough panting."

    They are comparing Hs with typical open plains quadrupedal ungulate mammals whose breathing is in rhythm with their limb gait. We can chat and juggle while jogging, obviously we are partly 'decoupled' in that sense.

    But I meant something different. On a hot sunny day, try diving while breath-holding, then try jogging while breath-holding. The dive will last longer than the run. Our decoupled breathing allows for better breath control, so we can talk and sing far
    longer than other fauna while still or walking or even slow running.
    Hmmm. Would like to see some documentation on that.
    Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.
    Wellll, there's a lot of lee way in that. I know a bunch of runners, short and long distances,
    economy is important but it's important in swimming.

    My view is that activities varied per locale and climate & season, but sleeping habits did not, human ancestors slept safely and comfortably in ape-derived shelters in kinship groups..

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 3 09:18:20 2022
    Op maandag 7 februari 2022 om 00:27:02 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:


    “The nowadays popular ideas about Pleistocene human ancestors running in open plains (‘endurance running’, ‘dogged pursuit of swifter animals’, ‘born to run’, ‘le singe coureur’, ‘Savannahstan’) are among the worst scientific
    hypotheses ever proposed.” (Hum.Evol.28:237-266,- 2013).

    Says the one who breathlessly thinks mermaids were human ancestors. Diagnosis: hypoxia.

    :-D
    My little boy with the mermaid brain,
    it's really not difficult, even for you:
    -your mermaids: sea-grass: small brain,
    -H.erectus: shellfish: large brain:
    -- found amid shellfish in coastal plains, Java,
    -- shell engravings, Trinil, google "Joordens Munro",
    -- island colonizations oversea, Flores,
    -- pachyosteosclerosis = slow + shallow diving,
    -- etc.etc.
    Only incredible idiots believe their ancestors ran after antelopes.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Mar 3 09:49:42 2022
    On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:18:22 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
    Op maandag 7 februari 2022 om 00:27:02 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
    “The nowadays popular ideas about Pleistocene human ancestors running in open plains (‘endurance running’, ‘dogged pursuit of swifter animals’, ‘born to run’, ‘le singe coureur’, ‘Savannahstan’) are among the worst scientific
    hypotheses ever proposed.” (Hum.Evol.28:237-266,- 2013).

    Says the one who breathlessly thinks mermaids were human ancestors. Diagnosis: hypoxia.
    :-D
    My little boy with the mermaid brain,
    it's really not difficult, even for you:
    -your mermaids: sea-grass: small brain,
    -H.erectus: shellfish: large brain:
    -- found amid shellfish in coastal plains, Java,
    -- shell engravings, Trinil, google "Joordens Munro",
    -- island colonizations oversea, Flores,
    -- pachyosteosclerosis = slow + shallow diving,
    -- etc.etc.
    Only incredible idiots believe their ancestors ran after antelopes.

    Spawn of the sea, why did they dive for big nosed saiga?

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 4 03:43:11 2022
    Op donderdag 3 maart 2022 om 18:49:43 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:


    Spawn of the sea, why did they dive for big nosed saiga?

    :-D
    My little boy with the mermaid brain,
    it's really not difficult, even for you:
    -your mermaids: sea-grass: small brain,
    -H.erectus: shellfish: large brain:
    -- found amid shellfish in coastal plains, Java,
    -- shell engravings, Trinil, google "Joordens Munro",
    -- island colonizations oversea, Flores,
    -- pachyosteosclerosis = slow + shallow diving,
    -- etc.etc.
    Only incredible idiots believe their ancestors ran after antelopes.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Mar 4 06:38:30 2022
    On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 6:43:12 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
    Op donderdag 3 maart 2022 om 18:49:43 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
    Spawn of the sea, why did they dive for big nosed saiga?

    :-D
    My little boy with the mermaid brain,
    it's really not difficult, even for you:
    -your mermaids: sea-grass: small brain,
    -H.erectus: shellfish: large brain:
    -- found amid shellfish in coastal plains, Java,
    -- shell engravings, Trinil, google "Joordens Munro",
    -- island colonizations oversea, Flores,
    -- pachyosteosclerosis = slow + shallow diving,
    -- etc.etc.
    Only incredible idiots believe their ancestors ran after antelopes.
    Diving for saiga

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 06:07:44 2022
    Op vrijdag 4 maart 2022 om 15:38:31 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:


    Diving for saiga

    said our little mermaid...

    ??

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Mar 5 07:44:32 2022
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 9:07:45 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
    Op vrijdag 4 maart 2022 om 15:38:31 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:


    Diving for saiga

    said our little mermaid...

    ??

    Strawman chasing saiga underwater, Oi!

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