• TOOLS: How to search for them!

    From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 26 14:13:26 2022
    Tools used in paleo times were in all probability:

    #1. Simple.

    #2. Relatively easy/quick to make.

    #3. Utilized abundant materials.

    #4. Effective, even if some skill was required.

    Now, how do we find them? What would they look like
    to use, today, in the archaeological record?

    I'd start with the historical record. We find many tools
    (weapons) that appear quite primitive, and are certainly
    well within the means of pre moderns, extending into
    the present!

    Hello? Throwing sticks?

    So what would a throwing stick look like to us, if we
    found one on an archaeological dig?

    Unfortunately, except under some very rare and
    possibly non existing conditions, it could only look
    like a bit of wood.

    Unless it was one of those extremely rare occurrences
    where organic matter is preserved virtually intact, within
    the context of a human habitation (hunting/etc), we'd
    have no way of knowing something is a throwing stick,
    even while staring at it.

    We can still search for them though. Indirectly.

    Throwing sticks were popular in ancient Egypt! They
    can still be found in use today in some cultures. And
    we know how to make them. So we can study them
    right now, determine the kind of evidence they would
    likely leave in their manufacture... the evidence of
    their use on animals.

    Simply put: What does an animal taken down by a
    throwing stick look like?

    And by "Animal" I include "Other humans."

    Now look at the Macuahuiti.

    Significantly more complicated than a throwing stick...

    Or is it?

    It's very primitive, very effective and we should be able
    to study the signs of its use on the archaeological
    remains of humans, at least. And we could construct
    them today, study the tell-tale signs of their use on
    prey.

    AND THEN we can look for those signs in paleo times!

    So if we did find a Denisovan Macuahuitl what it would
    look like to use would be some blades. And maybe not a
    lot of them. I mean, why would they throw away an
    intact Macuahuitl? One where the wood split from an
    impact, one that already got one too many WHACKS out
    of it? Sure. They might thrown away something like
    that.. But all we'd see is the blades and not necessarily in
    any patterns matching the shape of a Macuahuitl. So
    we'd be better served looking for the signs of their use
    on the remains of animals or even people.

    What would a wound from a Macuahuitl look like? Where
    would they likely strike? What kind of prey? How might
    these wounds differ from other weapons?

    SUMMED UP:

    But whatever the case, paleo weapons/tools follow a
    pattern. Many are found to be still in use in historic times,
    relatively unchanged. If we look at primitive people today,
    and ancient cultures for whom we have a record of
    (historical times) we can find weapons/tools that match the
    patterns of paleo objects, and then search for evidence of
    their use in paleo times.



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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 2 05:01:11 2022
    The Sentinelese. The *Way* wicked primitive people of the North Sentinel Island have something that looks shockingly similar to an Adze.

    Or, more accurately, it is an Adze.

    https://youtu.be/mg6pL4Rh1PY

    Skip to 1:22

    Okay so the Sentinelese are NOT repeat NOT the last remnants of some Out of Africa migration. They have the bow & arrow, which isn't as old as PA likes to sometimes pretend, the Adze was carried into Africa, not out of...

    What I find so interesting about their Adze is that they are a pre agricultural group, supposedly, so it's not used as a hoe one presumes, but it is being carried
    by a woman. So is wood chopping a woman's job? Was it?

    Hmm?

    I find it fascinating, these Sentinelese. In a way they are related to us, we are
    told, in the same way that we would be related to UFO flying aliens, according to legends.

    See, aliens are supposed to be interested in us because we're so primitive...

    But we don't really study the Sentinelese. We could be watching them, even at very long distances. Even with spy satellites, for crying out loud! We could hide the
    tiniest cameras amongst them. We could even abduct them and perform tests, alien style!

    ...and like Little Green Men from space, we could wear protective gear to
    keep from contaminating them.

    Humans spent BILLIONS on the Hadron Collider but we spend nothing to learn about ourselves.




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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Wed Feb 2 09:40:05 2022
    On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 8:01:13 AM UTC-5, I Envy JTEM wrote:
    The Sentinelese. The *Way* wicked primitive people of the North Sentinel Island
    have something that looks shockingly similar to an Adze.

    Or, more accurately, it is an Adze.

    https://youtu.be/mg6pL4Rh1PY

    Skip to 1:22

    Okay so the Sentinelese are NOT repeat NOT the last remnants of some Out of Africa migration. They have the bow & arrow, which isn't as old as PA likes to
    sometimes pretend, the Adze was carried into Africa, not out of...

    What I find so interesting about their Adze is that they are a pre agricultural
    group, supposedly, so it's not used as a hoe one presumes, but it is being carried
    by a woman. So is wood chopping a woman's job? Was it?

    Hmm?

    I find it fascinating, these Sentinelese. In a way they are related to us, we are
    told, in the same way that we would be related to UFO flying aliens, according
    to legends.

    See, aliens are supposed to be interested in us because we're so primitive...

    But we don't really study the Sentinelese. We could be watching them, even at very long distances. Even with spy satellites, for crying out loud! We could hide the
    tiniest cameras amongst them. We could even abduct them and perform tests, alien style!

    ...and like Little Green Men from space, we could wear protective gear to keep from contaminating them.

    Humans spent BILLIONS on the Hadron Collider but we spend nothing to learn about ourselves.




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    Dig yams, leave a bit to rebury, it grows another yam.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 2 10:20:19 2022
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    Dig yams, leave a bit to rebury, it grows another yam.

    It's a good guess -- as good as any other -- but it is only a guess
    and why are we forced to guess in the first place?

    We are left to work out so many things -- guess -- that I find it
    infuriating that the work in never done even when all guess
    work can be eliminated.

    taint a real science, this paleo anthropology...





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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Wed Feb 2 21:07:39 2022
    On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 1:20:20 PM UTC-5, I Envy JTEM wrote:
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    Dig yams, leave a bit to rebury, it grows another yam.
    It's a good guess -

    No it is a paraphrased quote from an Andaman native who actually did it. She also described how the process had to be hidden from the mosoon gods, but that part seemed irrelevant here.


    - as good as any other -- but it is only a guess
    and why are we forced to guess in the first place?

    We are left to work out so many things -- guess -- that I find it
    infuriating that the work in never done even when all guess
    work can be eliminated.

    taint a real science, this paleo anthropology...





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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 3 00:21:41 2022
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    No it is a paraphrased quote from an Andaman native who actually did it. She also described how the process had to be
    hidden from the mosoon gods, but that part seemed irrelevant here.

    So members of a tribe known to be hostile and even killing strangers were greetings strangers with an Adze because of all the yams they were planning
    to dig in the surf, while they just happened to be there anyway.

    The context here strongly implies weapon. Not a lot of yams growing in the surf, you know. Least not that time of year, right?





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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Thu Feb 3 02:19:51 2022
    On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 3:21:42 AM UTC-5, I Envy JTEM wrote:
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    No it is a paraphrased quote from an Andaman native who actually did it. She also described how the process had to be
    hidden from the mosoon gods, but that part seemed irrelevant here.
    So members of a tribe known to be hostile and even killing strangers were greetings strangers with an Adze because of all the yams they were planning to dig in the surf, while they just happened to be there anyway.

    The context here strongly implies weapon. Not a lot of yams growing in the surf, you know. Least not that time of year, right?





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    The quote was from a neighboring isle, Jarawa or Onge lady. Yam digger, clam digger, coconut splitter, head splitter, Acme Tool & Die Co... The S-shaped bows double as canoe paddles, very unique, may have been invented in the Andamans.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 4 12:29:59 2022
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    The quote was from a neighboring isle, Jarawa or Onge lady. Yam digger

    But the context here isn't yam digging.

    Could they be there to dig for shellfish? Of course. The context in the video suggests
    it's there as a weapon, but the video isn't showing us everything. Did they arrive at
    the beach BECAUSE the strangers got close? Or, were they already there?

    Video can be deceptive. But going by what we've got that Adze is a weapon here.




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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Fri Feb 4 17:59:59 2022
    On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 3:30:00 PM UTC-5, I Envy JTEM wrote:
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    The quote was from a neighboring isle, Jarawa or Onge lady. Yam digger
    But the context here isn't yam digging.

    Could they be there to dig for shellfish? Of course. The context in the video suggests
    it's there as a weapon, but the video isn't showing us everything. Did they arrive at
    the beach BECAUSE the strangers got close? Or, were they already there?

    Video can be deceptive. But going by what we've got that Adze is a weapon here.




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    Context: coconuts.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 6 13:34:04 2022
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    Context: coconuts.

    Describing you, yes. But the video depicts an isolated, hostile tribe
    reacting towards strangers as they approach their beach. THAT is
    the context of the video.








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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Sun Feb 6 15:21:13 2022
    On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 4:34:05 PM UTC-5, I Envy JTEM wrote:
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    Context: coconuts.

    Describing you, yes. But the video depicts an isolated, hostile tribe reacting towards strangers as they approach their beach. THAT is
    the context of the video.








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    Strangers bearing weapons? No.
    Strangers bearing coconuts: ✓
    Natives carrying coconut hackers: ✓
    Not too terribly difficult, except for a coastal linear model freak.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 7 07:53:51 2022
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    Strangers bearing weapons? No.

    I can't believe you're that stupid (yes I can) and conclude you are trolling.




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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Mon Feb 7 16:58:38 2022
    On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 10:53:52 AM UTC-5, I Envy JTEM wrote:
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    Strangers bearing weapons? No.

    I can't believe you're that stupid (yes I can) and conclude you are trolling.




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    Jerm fails again.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 8 19:09:56 2022
    It's shocking, all the wonderfully insightful things you have to share, even if none
    of them are relevant much less on topic. But at least you're trying, one presumes.



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