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  • Carnivory and human evolution

    From Pandora@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 26 14:28:20 2022
    New study calls into question the importance of meat eating in shaping
    our evolution.

    "Quintessential human traits such as large brains first appear in Homo
    erectus nearly 2 million years ago. This evolutionary transition
    towards human-like traits is often linked to a major dietary shift
    involving greater meat consumption. A new study published today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, however, calls into
    question the primacy of meat eating in early human evolution. While
    the archaeological evidence for meat eating increases dramatically
    after the appearance of Homo erectus, the study authors argue that
    this increase can largely be explained by greater research attention
    on this time period, effectively skewing the evidence in favor of the
    "meat made us human" hypothesis."

    https://phys.org/news/2022-01-importance-meat-evolution.html

    https://www.pnas.org/content/119/5/e2115540119

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 26 06:55:44 2022
    Op woensdag 26 januari 2022 om 14:28:22 UTC+1 schreef Pandora:

    New study calls into question the importance of meat eating in shaping
    our evolution.

    Yes, not only new studies: *all* studies,
    e.g. C & N isotopes indicate freshwater-marine foods:

    -- MP Richards 2007 pp.223-234 in W Roebroeks ed. "Guts and Brains" Leiden NL fig.1 & 2
    "Diet shift at the Middle/Upper Palaetolithic transition in Europe? the stable isotope evidence"

    -- C Wissing cs 2016 Quat.Internat.411:327-345
    "Isotopic evidence for dietary ecology of late Neandertals in NW-Europe"

    --etc.etc.

    The meat-eating fantasy is ridiculous just-so nonsense.
    Only incredible imbeciles believe their ancestors ran after antelopes.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Jan 26 19:20:23 2022
    On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 06:55:44 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

    Op woensdag 26 januari 2022 om 14:28:22 UTC+1 schreef Pandora:

    New study calls into question the importance of meat eating in shaping
    our evolution.

    Yes, not only new studies: *all* studies,
    e.g. C & N isotopes indicate freshwater-marine foods:

    -- MP Richards 2007 pp.223-234 in W Roebroeks ed. "Guts and Brains" Leiden NL fig.1 & 2
    "Diet shift at the Middle/Upper Palaetolithic transition in Europe? the stable isotope evidence"

    -- C Wissing cs 2016 Quat.Internat.411:327-345
    "Isotopic evidence for dietary ecology of late Neandertals in NW-Europe"

    --etc.etc.

    The meat-eating fantasy is ridiculous just-so nonsense.
    Only incredible imbeciles believe their ancestors ran after antelopes.

    The study doesn't say our ancestors didn't consume ungulate tissue,
    (may have been as early as 3.39 mya, see: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283496176)

    it says that there is "no sustained increase in the relative amount of
    evidence for carnivory after the appearance of H. erectus".

    Relative amount of carnivory is different from no carnivory at all.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 26 15:00:41 2022
    Op woensdag 26 januari 2022 om 19:20:25 UTC+1 schreef Pandora:

    New study calls into question the importance of meat eating in shaping
    our evolution.

    Yes, not only new studies: *all* studies,
    e.g. C & N isotopes indicate freshwater-marine foods:
    -- MP Richards 2007 pp.223-234 in W Roebroeks ed. "Guts and Brains" Leiden NL fig.1 & 2
    "Diet shift at the Middle/Upper Palaetolithic transition in Europe? the stable isotope evidence"
    -- C Wissing cs 2016 Quat.Internat.411:327-345
    "Isotopic evidence for dietary ecology of late Neandertals in NW-Europe" etc.etc.

    They say C & N isotopes show humans are supercarnivores.
    The imbeciles: who can you be more carnivorous that felids??
    Why didn't they compare to aquatic foods??
    C & N isotopes were simply perfectly intermediate between fresh & salt water foods.


    The study doesn't say our ancestors didn't consume ungulate tissue,
    (may have been as early as 3.39 mya, see: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283496176)
    it says that there is "no sustained increase in the relative amount of evidence for carnivory after the appearance of H. erectus". >
    Relative amount of carnivory is different from no carnivory at all.

    It's incredibly unscientific wishful thinking.
    C & N isotopes show they ate aquatic foods.
    Only incredible imbeciles believe their ancestors ran after antelopes.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to Pandora on Thu Jan 27 00:40:21 2022
    Pandora wrote:

    New study calls into question the importance of meat eating in shaping
    our evolution.

    WORSE! Much worse: It's seafood that was the major shaper of our
    evolution. China alone is driving whole fish species extinct.

    Overfishing was already a problem decades ago.

    It's gotten significantly worse.




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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Jan 27 00:44:28 2022
    [email protected] wrote:

    They say C & N isotopes show humans are supercarnivores.
    The imbeciles: who can you be more carnivorous that felids??

    Science is dead. It's all propaganda. All of it. They have entire
    generations crapping in their pants over the thought of it growing
    slightly warmer during an ice age. 2021 was a record hot year for
    the oceans, according to the propaganda oops I meant "Science"
    as "Reported" by the media, yet it was a La Nina year -- COLDER
    THAN NORMAL OCEAN TEMPERATURES!

    The 1% have deemed meat too good for "The Bottom" 80 to 90+
    percent of the people. Now they're just inventing "Science" to
    justify taking it away from you.




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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Mon Jan 31 23:53:47 2022
    On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 3:44:29 AM UTC-5, I Envy JTEM wrote:
    [email protected] wrote:

    They say C & N isotopes show humans are supercarnivores.
    The imbeciles: who can you be more carnivorous that felids??
    Science is dead. It's all propaganda. All of it. They have entire generations crapping in their pants over the thought of it growing
    slightly warmer during an ice age. 2021 was a record hot year for
    the oceans, according to the propaganda oops I meant "Science"
    as "Reported" by the media, yet it was a La Nina year -- COLDER
    THAN NORMAL OCEAN TEMPERATURES!

    The 1% have deemed meat too good for "The Bottom" 80 to 90+
    percent of the people. Now they're just inventing "Science" to
    justify taking it away from you.




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    https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/674428968086208512

    Skipping the Jerm's gibberish...

    Pygmies slit the stems of large broad-leaves and clothespin them to the wicker frame of their dome huts. Ancient Homo did the same with their domeshield, and used the same slit & pin method to hang and cure ultra-thin meat slices at streamside (sunnier
    there than under the forest canopy) before fire was domesticated. Killing a boar or sow required a strong sharp spear, the hunters stood behind shields next to trees, if charged they climbed 2' up the tree, safe since the boar couldn't raise it's head,
    unlike a bull or stag. (Russians do this, they cling to tree trunks just above the ground, no need to climb higher.)

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