• Naledi's foot

    From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 29 06:44:51 2021
    The foot of Homo naledi
    WEH Harcourt-Smith cs 2015
    Nature Comm.6:8432 open access
    doi 10.1038/ncomms9432
    see abstract below.

    Good facts, but anthropocentric interpretation (wishful thinking): Pan-Australopithecus naledi & chimp ancestors (& chimp fetuses still) had more human-like feet (full plantigrady), not for running after antelopes, but:
    - flat feet for wading bipedally in swamp forests,
    - curved phalanges for climbing into the branches above the swamp,
    google
    - "Pan or Homo naledi PPT verhaegen" &
    - our TREE paper "Aquarboreal Ancestors?"


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    The foot of Homo naledi
    WEH Harcourt-Smith cs 2015
    Nature Comm. 6:8432 open access
    doi 10.1038/ncomms9432

    Hs are characterized by a highly specialized foot, that reflects(?? --mv) our obligate bipedalism.
    Our understanding of hominin foot evolution is, although, hindered by a paucity of well-associated remains.

    Here we describe the foot of H.naledi from Dinaledi Chamber (SA), using 107 pedal elements, incl. 1 nearly-complete adult foot.
    The naledi foot is predom.Hs-like in morphology & inferred function:
    - adducted hallux,
    - elongated tarsus,
    - derived ankle & calcaneo-cuboid joints.
    In combination, these features indicate a foot well adapted for striding BPism.(??? --mv),

    However, the naledi foot differs from Hs in having
    - more curved proximal pedal phalanges,
    - features suggestive of a reduced medial longitudinal arch.

    Within the context of primitive features found elsewhere in the skeleton, these findings suggest a unique locomotor repertoire for naledi,
    this provides further evidence of locomotor diversity within both the hominin clade & the genus Homo.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Nov 30 08:09:24 2021
    On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 9:44:52 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
    The foot of Homo naledi
    WEH Harcourt-Smith cs 2015
    Nature Comm.6:8432 open access
    doi 10.1038/ncomms9432
    see abstract below.

    Good facts, but anthropocentric interpretation (wishful thinking): Pan-Australopithecus naledi & chimp ancestors (& chimp fetuses still) had more human-like feet (full plantigrady), not for running after antelopes, but:
    - flat feet for wading bipedally in swamp forests,
    - curved phalanges for climbing into the branches above the swamp,
    google
    - "Pan or Homo naledi PPT verhaegen" &
    - our TREE paper "Aquarboreal Ancestors?"


    ______


    The foot of Homo naledi
    WEH Harcourt-Smith cs 2015
    Nature Comm. 6:8432 open access
    doi 10.1038/ncomms9432

    Hs are characterized by a highly specialized foot, that reflects(?? --mv) our obligate bipedalism.
    Our understanding of hominin foot evolution is, although, hindered by a paucity of well-associated remains.

    Here we describe the foot of H.naledi from Dinaledi Chamber (SA), using 107 pedal elements, incl. 1 nearly-complete adult foot.
    The naledi foot is predom.Hs-like in morphology & inferred function:
    - adducted hallux,
    - elongated tarsus,
    - derived ankle & calcaneo-cuboid joints.
    In combination, these features indicate a foot well adapted for striding BPism.(??? --mv),

    As opposed to leaping bipedalism


    However, the naledi foot differs from Hs in having
    - more curved proximal pedal phalanges,
    - features suggestive of a reduced medial longitudinal arch.

    Within the context of primitive features found elsewhere in the skeleton, these findings suggest a unique locomotor repertoire for naledi,
    this provides further evidence of locomotor diversity within both the hominin clade & the genus Homo.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 30 15:19:19 2021
    Op dinsdag 30 november 2021 om 17:09:26 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:


    The foot of Homo naledi
    WEH Harcourt-Smith cs 2015
    Nature Comm.6:8432 open access
    doi 10.1038/ncomms9432
    see abstract below.

    Good facts, but anthropocentric interpretation (wishful thinking): Pan-Australopithecus naledi & chimp ancestors (& chimp fetuses still) had more human-like feet (full plantigrady), not for running after antelopes, but:
    - flat feet for wading bipedally in swamp forests,
    - curved phalanges for climbing into the branches above the swamp,
    google
    - "Pan or Homo naledi PPT verhaegen" &
    - our TREE paper "Aquarboreal Ancestors?"

    The foot of Homo naledi
    WEH Harcourt-Smith cs 2015
    Nature Comm. 6:8432 open access doi 10.1038/ncomms9432
    Hs are characterized by a highly specialized foot, that reflects(?? --mv) our obligate bipedalism.
    Our understanding of hominin foot evolution is, although, hindered by a paucity of well-associated remains.
    Here we describe the foot of H.naledi from Dinaledi Chamber (SA), using 107 pedal elements, incl. 1 nearly-complete adult foot.
    The naledi foot is predom.Hs-like in morphology & inferred function:
    - adducted hallux,
    - elongated tarsus,
    - derived ankle & calcaneo-cuboid joints.
    In combination, these features indicate a foot well adapted for striding BPism.(??? --mv),

    As opposed to leaping bipedalism.

    ?? What do you want to say, my boy?
    Just have a good look at running vs wading vs swimming vs perching birds:
    only a complete imbecile can believe that our flat feet evolved for running after antelopes.
    Naledi's curved phalanges suggest a partially-arboreal life,
    its flat feet suggest a partially wading & perhaps swimming life.
    Google "Aquarboreal Ancestors?".

    However, the naledi foot differs from Hs in having
    - more curved proximal pedal phalanges,
    - features suggestive of a reduced medial longitudinal arch.
    Within the context of primitive features found elsewhere in the skeleton, these findings suggest a unique locomotor repertoire for naledi,
    this provides further evidence of locomotor diversity within both the hominin clade & the genus Homo.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Nov 30 22:23:28 2021
    [email protected] wrote:
    The foot of Homo naledi
    WEH Harcourt-Smith cs 2015
    Nature Comm.6:8432 open access
    doi 10.1038/ncomms9432
    see abstract below.

    Good facts, but anthropocentric interpretation (wishful thinking):

    You mean it doesn't fit your preconceived notions. They go where the data
    leads them, not the other way around.

    Have you ever been allowed to study real finds?

    The foot of Homo naledi
    WEH Harcourt-Smith cs 2015
    Nature Comm. 6:8432 open access
    doi 10.1038/ncomms9432

    Hs are characterized by a highly specialized foot, that reflects(?? --mv) our obligate bipedalism.
    Our understanding of hominin foot evolution is, although, hindered by a paucity of well-associated remains.

    Here we describe the foot of H.naledi from Dinaledi Chamber (SA), using 107 pedal elements, incl. 1 nearly-complete adult foot.
    The naledi foot is predom.Hs-like in morphology & inferred function:
    - adducted hallux,
    - elongated tarsus,
    - derived ankle & calcaneo-cuboid joints.
    In combination, these features indicate a foot well adapted for striding BPism.(??? --mv),

    However, the naledi foot differs from Hs in having
    - more curved proximal pedal phalanges,
    - features suggestive of a reduced medial longitudinal arch.

    Within the context of primitive features found elsewhere in the skeleton, these findings suggest a unique locomotor repertoire for naledi,
    this provides further evidence of locomotor diversity within both the hominin clade & the genus Homo.


    And now for the REAL abstract, not the made up stuff from mv (whi is not to be trusted)

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms9432
    Open Access Published: 06 October 2015
    The foot of Homo naledi

    Abstract
    Modern humans are characterized by a highly specialized foot that reflects
    our
    obligate bipedalism. Our understanding of hominin foot evolution is,
    although,
    hindered by a paucity of well-associated remains. Here we describe the
    foot of
    Homo naledi from Dinaledi Chamber, South Africa, using 107 pedal elements, including one nearly-complete adult foot. The H. naledi foot is predominantly modern human-like in morphology and inferred function, with an adducted
    hallux, an elongated tarsus, and derived ankle and calcaneocuboid joints. In combination, these features indicate a foot well adapted for striding bipedalism.
    However, the H. naledi foot differs from modern humans in having more curved proximal pedal phalanges, and features suggestive of a reduced medial longitudinal arch. Within the context of primitive features found
    elsewhere in
    the skeleton, these findings suggest a unique locomotor repertoire for H. naledi,
    thus providing further evidence of locomotor diversity within both the
    hominin
    clade and the genus Homo.


    Note the REAL last sentence, not the one mv rewrote.

    "We show here that the foot of H. naledi is predominantly modern human-like
    in bony morphology and inferred function. When considered against the
    primitive
    features found elsewhere in the H. naledi postcranial skeleton10, these
    results
    indicate a locomotor repertoire that would have been distinct from that of other
    basal members of the genus Homo, such as H. erectus and H. habilis. The
    foot of
    H. naledi thus expands the range of locomotor diversity in both the hominin lineage and the genus Homo."

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 3 08:27:59 2021
    Some incredible imbecile (antelope runner) asked:

    Have you ever been allowed to study real finds?

    Yes, of course, e.g. prof.Tobias,
    but comparative anatomy provides a lot more information on evolution than "real finds".
    Google
    "ape human evolution made easy PPT verhaegen".

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Dec 3 18:04:48 2021
    On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 22:23:28 -0700, Primum Sapienti
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    [email protected] wrote:
    The foot of Homo naledi
    WEH Harcourt-Smith cs 2015
    Nature Comm.6:8432 open access
    doi 10.1038/ncomms9432
    see abstract below.

    Good facts, but anthropocentric interpretation (wishful thinking):

    You mean it doesn't fit your preconceived notions. They go where the data >leads them, not the other way around.

    Have you ever been allowed to study real finds?

    He never did, because Verhaegen is a self-proclaimed armchair
    anthropologist. His "Study Center for Anthropology" is a institution
    in name only, that preys on the original research of others.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Dec 3 17:51:44 2021
    On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 22:23:28 -0700, Primum Sapienti
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    [email protected] wrote:
    The foot of Homo naledi
    WEH Harcourt-Smith cs 2015
    Nature Comm.6:8432 open access
    doi 10.1038/ncomms9432
    see abstract below.

    Good facts, but anthropocentric interpretation (wishful thinking):

    You mean it doesn't fit your preconceived notions. They go where the data >leads them, not the other way around.

    Have you ever been allowed to study real finds?

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Dec 12 23:31:31 2021
    [email protected] wrote:
    The foot of Homo naledi
    WEH Harcourt-Smith cs 2015
    Nature Comm.6:8432 open access
    doi 10.1038/ncomms9432
    see abstract below.

    Here is the link AND THE REAL abstract:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms9432

    Abstract
    Modern humans are characterized by a highly specialized foot that reflects
    our obligate bipedalism. Our understanding of hominin foot evolution is, although, hindered by a paucity of well-associated remains. Here we
    describe the foot of Homo naledi from Dinaledi Chamber, South Africa, using
    107 pedal elements, including one nearly-complete adult foot. The H. naledi foot is predominantly modern human-like in morphology and inferred
    function, with an adducted hallux, an elongated tarsus, and derived ankle
    and calcaneocuboid joints. In combination, these features indicate a foot
    well
    adapted for striding bipedalism. However, the H. naledi foot differs from modern humans in having more curved proximal pedal phalanges, and features suggestive of a reduced medial longitudinal arch. Within the context of primitive features found elsewhere in the skeleton, these findings suggest a unique locomotor repertoire for H. naledi, thus providing further evidence of locomotor diversity within both the hominin clade and the genus Homo.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to Pandora on Sun Dec 12 23:39:45 2021
    Pandora wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 22:23:28 -0700, Primum Sapienti <[email protected]d> wrote:

    [email protected] wrote:
    The foot of Homo naledi
    WEH Harcourt-Smith cs 2015
    Nature Comm.6:8432 open access
    doi 10.1038/ncomms9432
    see abstract below.

    Good facts, but anthropocentric interpretation (wishful thinking):

    You mean it doesn't fit your preconceived notions. They go where the data
    leads them, not the other way around.

    Have you ever been allowed to study real finds?

    He never did, because Verhaegen is a self-proclaimed armchair
    anthropologist. His "Study Center for Anthropology" is a institution
    in name only, that preys on the original research of others.


    He drops Tobias' name and that's it ;)

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 15 03:19:27 2021
    The foot of Homo naledi
    WEH Harcourt-Smith cs 2015
    Nature Comm.6:8432 open access
    doi 10.1038/ncomms9432

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms9432

    Modern humans are characterized by a highly specialized foot that reflects our obligate bipedalism.

    :-DDD Onnozelaars.

    Kangaroos & ostriches have feet specialized for jumping & running.

    Only incredible imbeciles who think their ancestors ran after antelopes believe plantigrade feet are for running.

    Australopithecus naledi had plantigrade feet: of course, they were aquarboreal. Googe our Trends article "Aquarboreal Ancestors?".

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Dec 22 13:04:49 2021
    [email protected] wrote:

    The foot of Homo naledi
    WEH Harcourt-Smith cs 2015
    Nature Comm.6:8432 open access
    doi 10.1038/ncomms9432

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms9432

    Modern humans are characterized by a highly specialized foot that reflects >> our obligate bipedalism.

    :-DDD Onnozelaars.

    Kangaroos & ostriches have feet specialized for jumping & running.

    Only incredible imbeciles who think their ancestors ran after antelopes believe plantigrade feet are for running.

    Any races in yhour area? 5ks? 10ks? Marathons? How do you think we got
    that way?

    Australopithecus naledi had plantigrade feet: of course, they were aquarboreal.

    No signs of water.

    Googe our Trends article "Aquarboreal Ancestors?".


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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 22 15:24:30 2021
    Australopithecus naledi had plantigrade feet: of course, they were aquarboreal.

    Somebody:

    No signs of water.

    :-DDD
    Only incredible imbeciles who believe their ancestors ran after antelopes also believe in mud wihout water:
    mudstone.

    Googe our Trends article "Aquarboreal Ancestors?".

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Dec 22 16:56:05 2021
    On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 6:24:31 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
    Australopithecus naledi had plantigrade feet: of course, they were aquarboreal.
    Somebody:

    No signs of water.

    :-DDD
    Only incredible imbeciles who believe their ancestors ran after antelopes also believe in mud wihout water:
    mudstone.
    Googe our Trends article "Aquarboreal Ancestors?".

    Snorkel saiga antelope must have dove and backfloated and snorkel Homo must have dove and backfloated.

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