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  • Ischial form

    From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 28 07:12:17 2021
    Can someone provide the abstract of this paper please?

    https://www.academia.edu/keypass/UkJMeU1zeTVGZ2M0YlNSUFVabDllUUVhaG1YamsrUm83Z2owKzRTc2ZMaz0tLWtSd1lvSldRckwvQ0hRNW5vQjdWNkE9PQ==--fb72e388a5cc3d02b9dccdfed6c7467e1ba36e5f/t/hw8C-P0ti2Wm-bpuC07/resource/work/34224879/Ischial_Form_as_an_Indicator_of_
    Bipedal_Kinematics_in_Early_Hominins_A_Test_Using_Extant_Anthropoids?email_work_card=title

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  • From Paul Crowley@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 28 15:46:16 2021
    On Sunday 28 November 2021 at 15:12:18 UTC, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    Can someone provide the abstract of this paper please?

    https://www.academia.edu/keypass/UkJMeU1zeTVGZ2M0YlNSUFVabDllUUVhaG1YamsrUm83Z2owKzRTc2ZMaz0tLWtSd1lvSldRckwvQ0hRNW5vQjdWNkE9PQ==--fb72e388a5cc3d02b9dccdfed6c7467e1ba36e5f/t/hw8C-P0ti2Wm-bpuC07/resource/work/34224879/Ischial_Form_as_an_Indicator_of_
    Bipedal_Kinematics_in_Early_Hominins_A_Test_Using_Extant_Anthropoids?email_work_card=title


    Abstract
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28406569/

    Full Text
    https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.23543

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to Paul Crowley on Sun Nov 28 23:17:39 2021
    Paul Crowley wrote:
    On Sunday 28 November 2021 at 15:12:18 UTC, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    Can someone provide the abstract of this paper please?

    https://www.academia.edu/keypass/UkJMeU1zeTVGZ2M0YlNSUFVabDllUUVhaG1YamsrUm83Z2owKzRTc2ZMaz0tLWtSd1lvSldRckwvQ0hRNW5vQjdWNkE9PQ==--fb72e388a5cc3d02b9dccdfed6c7467e1ba36e5f/t/hw8C-P0ti2Wm-bpuC07/resource/work/34224879/Ischial_Form_as_an_Indicator_of_
    Bipedal_Kinematics_in_Early_Hominins_A_Test_Using_Extant_Anthropoids?email_work_card=title


    Abstract
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28406569/

    Full Text
    https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.23543


    'Nother one here (pdf format but smaller)

    <https://www.academia.edu/34224879/Ischial_Form_as_an_Indicator_of_Bipedal_Kinematics_in_Early_Hominins_A_Test_Using_Extant_Anthropoids>

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Paul Crowley on Sun Nov 28 22:24:07 2021
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 6:46:17 PM UTC-5, Paul Crowley wrote:
    On Sunday 28 November 2021 at 15:12:18 UTC, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    Can someone provide the abstract of this paper please?

    https://www.academia.edu/keypass/UkJMeU1zeTVGZ2M0YlNSUFVabDllUUVhaG1YamsrUm83Z2owKzRTc2ZMaz0tLWtSd1lvSldRckwvQ0hRNW5vQjdWNkE9PQ==--fb72e388a5cc3d02b9dccdfed6c7467e1ba36e5f/t/hw8C-P0ti2Wm-bpuC07/resource/work/34224879/Ischial_Form_as_an_Indicator_of_
    Bipedal_Kinematics_in_Early_Hominins_A_Test_Using_Extant_Anthropoids?email_work_card=title
    Abstract
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28406569/

    Full Text
    https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.23543
    Thanks, clearer.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Sun Nov 28 22:24:56 2021
    On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 1:17:41 AM UTC-5, Primum Sapienti wrote:
    Paul Crowley wrote:
    On Sunday 28 November 2021 at 15:12:18 UTC, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    Can someone provide the abstract of this paper please?

    https://www.academia.edu/keypass/UkJMeU1zeTVGZ2M0YlNSUFVabDllUUVhaG1YamsrUm83Z2owKzRTc2ZMaz0tLWtSd1lvSldRckwvQ0hRNW5vQjdWNkE9PQ==--fb72e388a5cc3d02b9dccdfed6c7467e1ba36e5f/t/hw8C-P0ti2Wm-bpuC07/resource/work/34224879/Ischial_Form_as_an_Indicator_of_
    Bipedal_Kinematics_in_Early_Hominins_A_Test_Using_Extant_Anthropoids?email_work_card=title


    Abstract
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28406569/

    Full Text
    https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.23543

    'Nother one here (pdf format but smaller)

    <https://www.academia.edu/34224879/Ischial_Form_as_an_Indicator_of_Bipedal_Kinematics_in_Early_Hominins_A_Test_Using_Extant_Anthropoids>
    Gracias.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 29 06:10:11 2021
    Op maandag 29 november 2021 om 07:24:57 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

    <https://www.academia.edu/34224879/Ischial_Form_as_an_Indicator_of_Bipedal_Kinematics_in_Early_Hominins_A_Test_Using_Extant_Anthropoids>

    Ischial Form as an Indicator of Bipedal Kinematics in Early Hominins:
    a Test Using Extant Anthropoids
    Kristi L Lewton & Jeremiah Scott 2017
    Anat Rec 300:845–858

    Human ischia (vs great apes) are
    - cranio-caudally short,
    - dorsally projecting.
    This is thought to facilitate greater hip extension in Hs BPism.
    This link has been used to infer kinematics in early hominins,
    but the consequences of variation in ischial configuration for gait remain uncertain.

    Kinematic data for a limited sample of extant non-human primates demonstrate: there is variation in hip extension in these taxa during BP behaviors: Hylobates & Ateles are capable of greater extension than Pan & Macaca.

    In this study, we tested:
    are ischial length & orientation functionally linked with hip extension during BP among these taxa?

    As expected, Hs have the shortest ischia, followed by gibbon, spider monkey, chimp & macaque.

    But our predictions for ischial orientation are not supported:
    - macaques, gibbons & spider monkeys do not vary in this trait,
    - they have ischia that are less dorsally angled than chimps.

    The results for ischium length provide limited support for the idea that
    - the early hominin Ardipithecus ramidus (with its long, caudally oriented ischium) was not capable of humanlike extended-hip BPism,
    - the ischial shortening observed in post-Ardipithecus hominins reflects a shift toward a more human-like gait.

    In contrast,
    our results do not necessarily refute a link between ischial orientation & hip extension in hominins,
    but they do not provide comparative support, making changes in ischial orientation in this part of the fossil record more difficult to interpret.


    :-D

    Simply google "aquarboreal".

    All Mio-Pliocene hominoids (incl."hominins") were "BP", not for running after antelopes, but simply for wading upright & climbing arms overhead in the branches above the swamp.
    This is occasionally still seen (prediced by us :-)) in great apes:
    - lowland gorillas wading for sedges,
    - bonobos wading for waterlilies.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Dec 12 23:28:49 2021
    [email protected] wrote:
    Op maandag 29 november 2021 om 07:24:57 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

    <https://www.academia.edu/34224879/Ischial_Form_as_an_Indicator_of_Bipedal_Kinematics_in_Early_Hominins_A_Test_Using_Extant_Anthropoids>

    The REAL abstract:

    ABSTRACT
    Human ischia contrast with those of great apes in being craniocaudally
    short and
    dorsally projecting. This configuration is thought to facilitate greater
    hip extension
    in humans during bipedal locomotion. This link has been used to infer kinematics
    in early hominins, but the consequences of variation in ischial
    configuration for
    gait remain uncertain. Kinematic data for a limited sample of extant nonhuman primates demonstrate that there is variation in hip extension in these
    taxa during
    bipedal behaviors - specifically, Hylobates and Ateles are capable of greater extension than Pan and Macaca. In this study, we tested the hypothesis
    that ischial
    length and orientation are functionally linked with hip extension during bipedalism
    among these taxa. As expected, humans have the shortest ischia, followed by gibbons, spider monkeys, chimpanzees, and macaques. Our predictions for
    ischial
    orientation are not supported, however: macaques, gibbons, andspider
    monkeys do
    not vary in this trait, and they have ischia that are less dorsally angled
    than that of
    the chimpanzee. The results for ischium length provide limited support for
    the idea
    that the early hominin Ardipithecusramidus, with its long, caudally
    oriented ischium
    was not capable of humanlike extended-hip bipedalism, and that the ischial shortening
    observed in post- Ardipithecus hominins reflects a shift toward a
    morehumanlike gait.
    In contrast, while our results do not necessarily refute a link between
    ischial orientation
    and hip extension in hominins, they do not provide comparative support,
    making
    changes in ischial orientation in thispart of the fossil record more
    difficult to interpret.
    Anat Rec, 300:845–858,2017.

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