Increase of ATP500 tournaments?

This year there will be 16. Just noticed it.


I am not sure if 1990s are so comparable due to ranking difference but here it is.

12 in 1990-1994
11 in 1995-1996
12 in 1997-1998
11 in 1999-2001
10 in 2002
9 in 2003-2008
11 in 2009-2014
13 in 2015-2019
7 in 2020
9 in 2021
13 in 2022-2024




From what I see, quite often they're played in the same week so it's kinda a push by the ATP to make those weeks competitive in calendar.

It's not really an increase of those tournaments for the players if they're held in the same week.

Yes, ATP500s are literally always played in the same week as other tournaments but there were occasions when those ATP500s were kinda "big" in that week, being the only ones, the other tournaments being ATP250s.

Barcelona was one of those examples.

The grass Halle/Queen's is the opposite from that.
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On 7/9/2025 5:43 PM, *skriptis wrote:

Increase of ATP500 tournaments?

This year there will be 16. Just noticed it.

I am not sure if 1990s are so comparable due to ranking difference but here it is.

12 in 1990-1994
11 in 1995-1996
12 in 1997-1998
11 in 1999-2001
10 in 2002
9 in 2003-2008
11 in 2009-2014
13 in 2015-2019
7 in 2020
9 in 2021
13 in 2022-2024

From what I see, quite often they're played in the same week so it's kinda a push by the ATP to make those weeks competitive in calendar.

It's not really an increase of those tournaments for the players if they're held in the same week.

Yes, ATP500s are literally always played in the same week as other tournaments but there were occasions when those ATP500s were kinda "big" in that week, being the only ones, the other tournaments being ATP250s.

Barcelona was one of those examples.

The grass Halle/Queen's is the opposite from that.

To me this proves that Women's Tennis is doing well. That's great!
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Scall5 <[email protected]> writes:> On 7/9/2025 5:43 PM, *skriptis wrote:>> Increase of ATP500 tournaments?>> This year there will be 16. Just noticed it.>> I am not sure if 1990s are so comparable due to ranking >> difference>> but here it is.>> 12 in

1990-1994>> 11 in 1995-1996>> 12 in 1997-1998>> 11 in 1999-2001>> 10 in 2002>> 9 in 2003-2008>> 11 in 2009-2014>> 13 in 2015-2019>> 7 in 2020>> 9 in 2021>> 13 in 2022-2024>> From what I see, quite often they're played in the same week >> so>> it's
kinda a push by the ATP to make those weeks competitive in>> calendar.>> It's not really an increase of those tournaments for the >> players if>> they're held in the same week.>> Yes, ATP500s are literally always played in the same week as >> other>>
tournaments but there were occasions when those ATP500s were >> kinda>> "big" in that week, being the only ones, the other tournaments >> being>> ATP250s.>> Barcelona was one of those examples.>> The grass Halle/Queen's is the opposite from that.>> To me
this proves that Women's Tennis is doing well. That's > great!The ATP is for the boys, bud... Need some new glasses?



I believe he says WTA is doing better because ATP is increasing number of tournaments trying to catch up with the WTA?

I don't agree with that, but I understand what he means.


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On 10/07/2025 7:11 pm, *skriptis wrote:> jdeluise <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r>> Scall5 <[email protected]> writes:> On 7/9/2025 5:43 PM, *skriptis wrote:>> Increase of ATP500 tournaments?>> This year there will be 16. Just noticed it.>> I am

not sure if 1990s are so comparable due to ranking >> difference>> but here it is.>> 12 in 1990-1994>> 11 in 1995-1996>> 12 in 1997-1998>> 11 in 1999-2001>> 10 in 2002>> 9 in 2003-2008>> 11 in 2009-2014>> 13 in 2015-2019>> 7 in 2020>> 9 in 2021>> 13 in
2022-2024>> From what I see, quite often they're played in the same week >> so>> it's kinda a push by the ATP to make those weeks competitive in>> calendar.>> It's not really an increase of those tournaments for the >> players if>> they're held in the
same week.>> Yes, ATP500s are literally always played in the same week as >> other>> tournaments but there were occasions when those ATP500s were >> kinda>> "big" in that week, being the only ones, the other tournaments >> being>> ATP250s.>> Barcelona
was one of those examples.>> The grass Halle/Queen's is the opposite from that.>> To me this proves that Women's Tennis is doing well. That's > great!The ATP is for the boys, bud... Need some new glasses?> > > > I believe he says WTA is doing better
because ATP is increasing number of tournaments trying to catch up with the WTA?> > I don't agree with that, but I understand what he means.> > There should be a lot more ATP and WTA events simply because there are so many talented players ranked 100+
who don't get a look in. For me it's all about the slams but I'd like to be able to tune in any week and see 2 or 3 events going on, and I can pick and choose if I see a promising player coming up. Ideally there should be a pool of 500-1,000 players who
make a living on tour. If it gets too low it's almost like an exhibition circuit, closed circuit not open to everyone with talent.



Agreed.


The slams have a pool of 128 players, they're most important events and first couple of rounds are still even nowadays sort of exos because some low ranked players will get to play top 10 guys for the first time in their life.

If slams are pinnacle of tennis, then they should be it, but they should not be bigger than other events, in size.

Slams are actually devalued in such way.


Imagine if Olympics marathon run was 42 km, but you don't get to run 42 km anywhere else officially, only half marathons?

So how good could newcomers be at their first Olympics marathon?



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On 10/07/2025 10:45 pm, *skriptis wrote:> Whisper <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r>> On 10/07/2025 7:11 pm, *skriptis wrote:> jdeluise <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r>> Scall5 <[email protected]> writes:> On 7/9/2025 5:43 PM, *skriptis

wrote:>> Increase of ATP500 tournaments?>> This year there will be 16. Just noticed it.>> I am not sure if 1990s are so comparable due to ranking >> difference>> but here it is.>> 12 in 1990-1994>> 11 in 1995-1996>> 12 in 1997-1998>> 11 in 1999-2001>> 10
in 2002>> 9 in 2003-2008>> 11 in 2009-2014>> 13 in 2015-2019>> 7 in 2020>> 9 in 2021>> 13 in 2022-2024>> From what I see, quite often they're played in the same week >> so>> it's kinda a push by the ATP to make those weeks competitive in>> calendar.>>
It's not really an increase of those tournaments for the >> players if>> they're held in the same week.>> Yes, ATP500s are literally always played in the same week as >> other>> tournaments but there were occasions when those ATP500s were >> kinda>> "big"
in that week, being the only ones, the other tournaments >> being>> ATP250s.>> Barcelona was one of those examples.>> The grass Halle/Queen's is the opposite from that.>> To me this proves that Women's Tennis is doing well. That's > great!The ATP is for
the boys, bud... Need some new glasses?> > > > I believe he says WTA is doing better because ATP is increasing number of tournaments trying to catch up with the WTA?> > I don't agree with that, but I understand what he means.> > There should be a lot
more ATP and WTA events simply because there are so many talented players ranked 100+ who don't get a look in. For me it's all about the slams but I'd like to be able to tune in any week and see 2 or 3 events going on, and I can pick and choose if I see
a promising player coming up. Ideally there should be a pool of 500-1,000 players who make a living on tour. If it gets too low it's almost like an exhibition circuit, closed circuit not open to everyone with talent.> > > > Agreed.> > > The slams have a
pool of 128 players, they're most important events and first couple of rounds are still even nowadays sort of exos because some low ranked players will get to play top 10 guys for the first time in their life.> > If slams are pinnacle of tennis, then
they should be it, but they should not be bigger than other events, in size.> > Slams are actually devalued in such way.> > > Imagine if Olympics marathon run was 42 km, but you don't get to run 42 km anywhere else officially, only half marathons?> > So
how good could newcomers be at their first Olympics marathon?> > > I just think the standard is so high today the 1,000th ranked player should earn as much as a good lawyer at least. There are so many players who may have gone on to great things if they
could earn a reasonable living but are forced to give up and 'get a real job'. Being ranked 1,000 should be a real job. The 1,000th best doctor in the world is not struggling to make ends meet.



Good points, world is big enough to have 1000 professional tennis players.


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On 10/07/2025 9:41 am, Scall5 wrote:

On 7/9/2025 5:43 PM, *skriptis wrote:

Increase of ATP500 tournaments?


Barcelona was one of those examples.

The grass Halle/Queen's is the opposite from that.

To me this proves that Women's Tennis is doing well. That's great!

There are more WTA matches I want to watch than ATP.

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On 7/10/2025 7:55 AM, Whisper wrote:

On 10/07/2025 10:45 pm, *skriptis wrote:

Whisper <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r

On 10/07/2025 7:11 pm, *skriptis wrote:> jdeluise
<[email protected]> Wrote in message:r>> Scall5 <[email protected]>
writes:> On 7/9/2025 5:43 PM, *skriptis wrote:>> Increase of ATP500
tournaments?>> This year there will be 16. Just noticed it.>> I am
not sure if 1990s are so comparable due to ranking >> difference>>
but here it is.>> 12 in 1990-1994>> 11 in 1995-1996>> 12 in
1997-1998>> 11 in 1999-2001>> 10 in 2002>> 9 in 2003-2008>> 11 in
2009-2014>> 13 in 2015-2019>> 7 in 2020>> 9 in 2021>> 13 in
2022-2024>>  From what I see, quite often they're played in the same
week >>  so>> it's kinda a push by the ATP to make those weeks
competitive in>> calendar.>> It's not really an increase of those
tournaments for the >> players if>> they're held in the same week.>>
Yes, ATP500s are literally always played in the same week as >>
other>> tournaments but there were occasions when those ATP500s were

kinda>> "big" in that week, being the only ones, the other

tournaments >> being>> ATP250s.>> Barcelona was one of those
examples.>> The grass Halle/Queen's is the opposite from that.>> To
me this proves that Women's Tennis is doing well. That's > great!The
ATP is for the boys, bud...  Need some new glasses?> > > > I believe
he says WTA is doing better because ATP is increasing number of
tournaments trying to catch up with the WTA?> > I don't agree with
that, but I understand what he means.> > There should be a lot more
ATP and WTA events simply because there are so many talented players
ranked 100+ who don't get a look in.  For me it's all about the slams
but I'd like to be able to tune in any week and see 2 or 3 events
going on, and I can pick and choose if I see a promising player
coming up. Ideally there should be a pool of 500-1,000 players who
make a living on tour.  If it gets too low it's almost like an
exhibition circuit, closed circuit not open to everyone with talent.

Agreed.


The slams have a pool of 128 players, they're most important events
and first couple of rounds are still even nowadays sort of exos
because some low ranked players will get to play top 10 guys for the
first time in their life.

If slams are pinnacle of tennis, then they should be it, but they
should not be bigger than other events, in size.

Slams are actually devalued in such way.


Imagine if Olympics marathon run was 42 km, but you don't get to run
42 km anywhere else officially, only half marathons?

So how good could newcomers be at their first Olympics marathon?

I just think the standard is so high today the 1,000th ranked player
should earn as much as a good lawyer at least.  There are so many
players who may have gone on to great things if they could earn a
reasonable living but are forced to give up and 'get a real job'. Being ranked 1,000 should be a real job.  The 1,000th best doctor in the world
is not struggling to make ends meet.

Agreed 100%!
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On 7/10/2025 3:57 AM, jdeluise wrote:

Scall5 <[email protected]> writes:

On 7/9/2025 5:43 PM, *skriptis wrote:

Increase of ATP500 tournaments?
This year there will be 16. Just noticed it.
I am not sure if 1990s are so comparable due to ranking difference
but here it is.
12 in 1990-1994
11 in 1995-1996
12 in 1997-1998
11 in 1999-2001
10 in 2002
9 in 2003-2008
11 in 2009-2014
13 in 2015-2019
7 in 2020
9 in 2021
13 in 2022-2024
 From what I see, quite often they're played in the same week  so
it's kinda a push by the ATP to make those weeks competitive in
calendar.
It's not really an increase of those tournaments for the players if
they're held in the same week.
Yes, ATP500s are literally always played in the same week as other
tournaments but there were occasions when those ATP500s were kinda
"big" in that week, being the only ones, the other tournaments being
ATP250s.
Barcelona was one of those examples.
The grass Halle/Queen's is the opposite from that.

To me this proves that Women's Tennis is doing well. That's great!

The ATP is for the boys, bud...  Need some new glasses?

Apparently I DO! lol. been a few bad weeks a work...
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