• Re: Novak is being humbled by his age

    From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=C3=B6s?=@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Tue Apr 1 12:45:44 2025
    On 01/04/2025 0.36, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    For those that say age doesn't matter and he should be peak but he
    has been trying and trying without the existence of two other
    great champions that are six years younger than him
    :)

    I only saw the highlights. Djok played really well. Considering all the injuries and stuffs. Age-defying stuff. Came back from a break down in
    the first. Lost in two TBs. Djok always plays lucky, but looks like his
    luck just ran out this time.

    Mensik is a carbon copy of Pipe. Pipe-like behind-the-back and direction changing abilities. Impressive. Looks like a pretty good serve too. Hard
    to say about that.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Tue Apr 1 15:45:53 2025
    PeteWasLucky <[email protected]> Wrote in message:
    If you mean W19, I seriously don't have it in my mind at all. It was never about this one specifically. It all became different and understandable when he crossed 30 playing the other two in their prime. The struggle started, and you would hear from
    him camp everyday something new about new ways to preserve energy, going more aggressive, dictating play, s/v, trying to balance his court position to depend more on his bh instead of running around his fh, etc.


    Nadal changed his serve motion for USO 2010 when he was 24.

    Was that because he was old or because he was trying to outdo everyone else?

    https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/news-i-would-like-to-change-the-grip-toni-recalls-how-rafael-nadal-won-his-1st-uso


    They all had to constantly improve whether they were 20 or 30.



    Djokovic lost ATP1000 final with the score 7:6 7:6, so what?

    He lost 20 already, won 40. Mensik was red hot this week and he's a great prospect.



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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=C3=B6s?=@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Tue Apr 1 18:07:52 2025
    On 01/04/2025 16.14, Sawfish wrote:
    On 4/1/25 2:45 AM, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 01/04/2025 0.36, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    For those that say age doesn't matter and he should be peak but he
      has been trying and trying without the existence of two other
      great champions that are six years younger than him
      :)

    I only saw the highlights. Djok played really well. Considering all
    the injuries and stuffs. Age-defying stuff. Came back from a break
    down in the first. Lost in two TBs. Djok always plays lucky, but looks
    like his luck just ran out this time.

    Mensik is a carbon copy of Pipe. Pipe-like behind-the-back and
    direction changing abilities. Impressive. Looks like a pretty good
    serve too. Hard to say about that.


    If Pipe is Sinner,

    Pipe is Pipe. Pipe Cleaner. Big Pipe. Grand Pipe. Ceci c'est une Pipe. Djokovic.

    Alcatraz is occasionally known as Little Pipe.

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 1 18:46:57 2025
    On 4/1/2025 10:07 AM, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 01/04/2025 16.14, Sawfish wrote:
    On 4/1/25 2:45 AM, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 01/04/2025 0.36, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    For those that say age doesn't matter and he should be peak but he
      has been trying and trying without the existence of two other
      great champions that are six years younger than him
      :)

    I only saw the highlights. Djok played really well. Considering all
    the injuries and stuffs. Age-defying stuff. Came back from a break
    down in the first. Lost in two TBs. Djok always plays lucky, but
    looks like his luck just ran out this time.

    Mensik is a carbon copy of Pipe. Pipe-like behind-the-back and
    direction changing abilities. Impressive. Looks like a pretty good
    serve too. Hard to say about that.


    If Pipe is Sinner,

    Pipe is Pipe. Pipe Cleaner. Big Pipe. Grand Pipe. Ceci c'est une Pipe. Djokovic.

    Alcatraz is occasionally known as Little Pipe.

    Didn't Court1 give Djoke that Pipe Cleaner nickname? i wonder what she
    is up to...
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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Wed Apr 2 22:31:21 2025
    On 1/04/2025 8:36 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    For those that say age doesn't matter and he should be peak but he
    has been trying and trying without the existence of two other
    great champions that are six years younger than him
    :)


    Give it up mate, Federer missed his chance to be goat. He had plenty of opportunities just wasn't good enough. In the near future when all the Fedfuckers are dead history will just look at the facts. They will look
    at the big 3 as ancients, in the way we view Tilden. Novak has 24 slams
    Fed 20, 8 yr end no.1 v 5 yrs, superior h2h, 3-0 in Wimbledon finals etc.

    If Federer was past it at 27 he's not much of a goat contender. Novak
    is 38 and the year before last won 3 slams and lost the 4th final in 5
    sets. 1 set away from calendar slam. That's the sort of thing history
    will consider, cold hard facts. Nobody cares about coulda/woulda. If
    we did we'd have 50 goats.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Tue Apr 1 01:03:30 2025
    PeteWasLucky <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r
    For those that say age doesn't matter and he should be peak but he has been trying and trying without the existence of two other great champions that are six years younger than him :)



    You'll never get over that final and that's fine. ;)


    Age does matter, but tennis players get old as


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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Wed Apr 2 22:35:11 2025
    On 1/04/2025 4:44 pm, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    *skriptis <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r
    PeteWasLucky <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r> For those that say age doesn't matter and he should be peak but he has been trying and trying without the existence of two other great champions that are six years younger than him :)You'll
    never get over that final and that's fine. ;)Age does matter, but tennis players get old as -- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html

    If you mean W19, I seriously don't have it in my mind at all. It
    was never about this one specifically. It all became different
    and understandable when he crossed 30 playing the other two in
    their prime. The struggle started, and you would hear from him
    camp everyday something new about new ways to preserve energy,
    going more aggressive, dictating play, s/v, trying to balance his
    court position to depend more on his bh instead of running around
    his fh, etc.




    Laver won calendar slam at 31 in an era when everyone was a grasscourt
    expert. Still the only man in open era to do it. Novak came within 1
    match - respect. The true goats peak after 30.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 2 22:36:47 2025
    On 1/04/2025 8:45 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 01/04/2025 0.36, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    For those that say age doesn't matter and he should be peak but he
      has been trying and trying without the existence of two other
      great champions that are six years younger than him
      :)

    I only saw the highlights. Djok played really well. Considering all the injuries and stuffs. Age-defying stuff. Came back from a break down in
    the first. Lost in two TBs. Djok always plays lucky, but looks like his
    luck just ran out this time.

    Mensik is a carbon copy of Pipe. Pipe-like behind-the-back and direction changing abilities. Impressive. Looks like a pretty good serve too. Hard
    to say about that.



    Mensik is the new Cilic.

    Novak played well, watch out at Wimbledon.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 2 22:38:20 2025
    On 2/04/2025 12:45 am, *skriptis wrote:
    PeteWasLucky <[email protected]> Wrote in message:
    If you mean W19, I seriously don't have it in my mind at all. It was never about this one specifically. It all became different and understandable when he crossed 30 playing the other two in their prime. The struggle started, and you would hear from
    him camp everyday something new about new ways to preserve energy, going more aggressive, dictating play, s/v, trying to balance his court position to depend more on his bh instead of running around his fh, etc.


    Nadal changed his serve motion for USO 2010 when he was 24.

    Was that because he was old or because he was trying to outdo everyone else?

    https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/news-i-would-like-to-change-the-grip-toni-recalls-how-rafael-nadal-won-his-1st-uso


    They all had to constantly improve whether they were 20 or 30.



    Djokovic lost ATP1000 final with the score 7:6 7:6, so what?

    He lost 20 already, won 40. Mensik was red hot this week and he's a great prospect.





    Novak had a great tournament, thrashed Musetti and Dimitrov.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Wed Apr 2 22:44:19 2025
    On 2/04/2025 11:31 am, Sawfish wrote:
    On 4/1/25 4:46 PM, Scall5 wrote:

    It intuitively works for Djok--skinny, linear, flexible--but I don't see
    it as applying to Alcaraz as readily.

    Alcaraz is puzzling the hell out of me right now. I never thought his
    head would flake, as it seems to have done. I thought that at most he'd
    just make poor decision from lack of thinking, but it looks a bit worse
    than that right now.

    Still, the level of talent he has will always set him apart, barring
    injury.


    Looks like he'll be peaking for the slams mostly, especially FO and
    Wimbledon. He might win the channel slam 5 years in a row. I think
    he'll be hardest to beat at FO as it's harder to punch through him on
    the slow surface, and Wimbledon because that's where he'll try his
    hardest. He's smart enough to know the accolades and $$ will keep
    rolling in if he plays sublime for 3 months of the year and can then
    half arse it.

    Nobody is really surprised to see Carlos lose early anymore. If it
    happens at next 2 slams it will raise eyebrows, ranking would plummet.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=C3=B6s?=@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Wed Apr 2 16:23:22 2025
    On 02/04/2025 3.31, Sawfish wrote:
    On 4/1/25 4:46 PM, Scall5 wrote:
    On 4/1/2025 10:07 AM, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 01/04/2025 16.14, Sawfish wrote:
    On 4/1/25 2:45 AM, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 01/04/2025 0.36, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    For those that say age doesn't matter and he should be peak but he >>>>>>   has been trying and trying without the existence of two other
      great champions that are six years younger than him
      :)

    I only saw the highlights. Djok played really well. Considering all
    the injuries and stuffs. Age-defying stuff. Came back from a break
    down in the first. Lost in two TBs. Djok always plays lucky, but
    looks like his luck just ran out this time.

    Mensik is a carbon copy of Pipe. Pipe-like behind-the-back and
    direction changing abilities. Impressive. Looks like a pretty good
    serve too. Hard to say about that.


    If Pipe is Sinner,

    Pipe is Pipe. Pipe Cleaner. Big Pipe. Grand Pipe. Ceci c'est une
    Pipe. Djokovic.

    Alcatraz is occasionally known as Little Pipe.

    Didn't Court1 give Djoke that Pipe Cleaner nickname?

    Yes.

    i wonder what she
    is up to...

    She's a living RST legend.

    It intuitively works for Djok--skinny, linear, flexible--but I don't see
    it as applying to Alcaraz as readily.

    Courtsie is mad about hairdos. That's why she loves Fed and Fritz. Dark
    waves make her swoon. She didn't like Djok, so she came up with that
    nick. I guess Djok's hair resembled that of a brush you brush dirty
    pipes with. She did spend quite a bit of time with nolefam, though. Very suspicious. I smell skeletons in the cupboard.

    If you look at some pictures of Djok and Alcatraz around the time of
    that epic RG SF Acatraz almost won, they had almost identical hairdos.
    Twins, almost.

    Alcaraz is puzzling the hell out of me right now. I never thought his
    head would flake, as it seems to have done. I thought that at most he'd
    just make poor decision from lack of thinking, but it looks a bit worse
    than that right now.

    Still, the level of talent he has will always set him apart, barring
    injury.

    Yep. Although I have to admit, I haven't seen a tennis match on TV for
    some while. Maybe I'll tune in to RG.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 2 22:32:25 2025
    On 1/04/2025 10:03 am, *skriptis wrote:
    PeteWasLucky <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r
    For those that say age doesn't matter and he should be peak but he has been trying and trying without the existence of two other great champions that are six years younger than him :)



    You'll never get over that final and that's fine. ;)


    Age does matter, but tennis players get old as




    pwl thinks Fed was past it when he was Zverev's age. He doesn't have
    much faith in his boy.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Thu Apr 3 15:40:03 2025
    PeteWasLucky <[email protected]> Wrote in message:
    I am not sure. He was down two sets to one in SF and finals of the FO last year. Also he was down two sets to one in two matches in Wimbledon last year and I remember her had to win a TB in the fourth against Tiafo to stay in the match. Alcaraz can't
    plan points 2-3 shots in the row. He does well on surfaces that make planning points to be less effective and this happens on fast low bounce grass and slow clay. I think Sinner the doper will win FO and/or Wimbledon.




    Are you sure he's a true doper?

    He bought me with his integrity during YEC 2023.

    He could have easily tanked the RR match and kick Djokovic out of the tournament.

    He fought really hard for a win he didn't even need, and a win that left Djokovic in the tournament.

    Later, Sinner was tired and Djokovic, having survived RR stage left no chance to Alcaraz/Sinner in SF and F.

    He set the YEC record because of that.



    A regular tactician would tank that match in Sinner's case, let alone a fixer or a doper. He showcased true fair play.

    So I don't feel he's personally that much corrupt, if the whole case has not been an accident, then it's a larger scheme of doping among the top players.

    It's all Italians then or something like that.


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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Fri Apr 4 19:44:06 2025
    On 4/04/2025 12:22 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Whisper <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r
    On 1/04/2025 8:36 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:> For those that say age doesn't matter and he should be peak but he> has been trying and trying without the existence of two other> great champions that are six years younger than him> :)Give it up mate,
    Federer missed his chance to be goat. He had plenty of opportunities just wasn't good enough. In the near future when all the Fedfuckers are dead history will just look at the facts. They will look at the big 3 as ancients, in the way we view Tilden.
    Novak has 24 slams Fed 20, 8 yr end no.1 v 5 yrs, superior h2h, 3-0 in Wimbledon finals etc.If Federer was past it at 27 he's not much of a goat contender. Novak is 38 and the year before last won 3 slams and lost the 4th final in 5 sets. 1 set away
    from calendar slam. That's the sort of thing history will consider, cold hard facts. Nobody cares about coulda/woulda. If we did we'd have 50 goats.

    So far Federer is the king of Wimbledon and USO. This by itself is
    enough. Novak can enjoy AO :)


    Sampras won 5 USO from 8 finals, bit better than Fed 5 from 7. Sampras
    1 less Wimbledon title, but retired young and was unbeatable in finals.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Whisper on Sun Apr 6 00:54:05 2025
    On 6/04/2025 12:46 am, Whisper wrote:
    On 6/04/2025 12:42 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Whisper <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r
    On 5/04/2025 2:03 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Whisper

    As someone here said at sometime in the future they will be saying
      who won Wimbledon and USO the most :)

    Also, I will remind you in a year or two if we are still alive who
      will be the most watched in the video archives.


    I'm a hardcore tennis fan and I don't watch the big 3 at all.  The 3
    players I would watch from this century are Wawrinka, Alacarez and Fonseca.


    I could never watch Murray v Djokovic matches. You really would have to
    pay me, prob no less than 1k per match. I find them as dull as all
    those Lendl v Wilander matches. Boring. Nadal v Federer matches are a
    lot more boring than people realize. Federer is less boring to watch
    than the other 2, but I still struggle to stay engaged in his matches.

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    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)