https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/02/opinion/trump-ukraine-zelensky-usaid.html

As a conservative, I’ve long respected the concept of “Chesterton’s fence,” named after G.K. Chesterton, a British
writer, philosopher and Catholic apologist. Chesterton argued that the best and most careful approach to change
required us to discern why, say, a fence might block a road and not to just tear it down.

“The more modern type of reformer,” Chesterton wrote, “goes gaily up to it and says, ‘I don’t see the use of this; let
us clear it away.’ To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: ‘If you don’t see the use of
it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do
see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.’ ”

There is nothing conservative about Trump’s movement. He’s bulldozing Chesterton’s fence with glee.

As Trump destroys institutions, he destroys trust. And trust, once destroyed, is the most difficult thing to restore.

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In article <vq7fg8$1vn9d$[email protected]>,
Sawfish <[email protected]> wrote:

On 3/4/25 9:52 AM, bmoore wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/02/opinion/trump-ukraine-zelensky-usaid.html >>
As a conservative, I’ve long respected the concept of “Chesterton’s fence,” named after G.K.

Chesterton, a British

writer, philosopher and Catholic apologist. Chesterton argued that the best and most careful approach to change
required us to discern why, say, a fence might block a road and not to just tear it down.

“The more modern type of reformer,” Chesterton wrote, “goes gaily up to it and says, ‘I don’t see

the use of this; let

us clear it away.’ To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: ‘If you don’t

see the use of

it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do
see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.’ ”

There is nothing conservative about Trump’s movement. He’s bulldozing Chesterton’s fence with glee.

As Trump destroys institutions, he destroys trust. And trust, once destroyed, is the most difficult thing to restore.

Half credit, b. ;^)

In the real world, half credit is pretty good :-)

He is tearing it down: it is a hard reset, a downsizing such as we have >experience in the private sector. This has never been done in the public >sector that I'm aware.

That was the correct half... ;^)

So as to "trust", there was none. So in that regard he can't lose
something that was pissed away years ago.

I know what you mean, but over my life, I have grown pretty comfortable that I could trust the US government to do
certain things that affect me. Shall I go on?

Yes, disruptive as hell and makes me very nervous: why lie about it?

OT. the "^M" issue you mentioned. It rang a bell.

I used to see ^M at the end of lines when working on a UNIX/Linux box
and opening an ASCII file that was created or edited in a Windows >environment. Windows convention is to use two characters to end a >line...\n\r, Unix uses only \n, and for reasons know best to itself,
rendered the \r as ^M.

Unix came before Windows :-)

But I know C, which is kinda Unix, uses \n for a newline. But I think that's different from ASCII.

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/32001/what-is-m-and-how-do-i-get-rid-of-it

Really can't see how this happened. I'm composing on a Linux box using >T-bird, with the minor exception of trying out PhoNews for a couple of
days.

If it is not too much trouble, please let me know if you see it again.

Not on this post. Just for a few days I saw it. I didn't respond cuz I didn't want my response to be all messed up,
and I wasn't sure :-)

Thanks.

No worries.

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On 3/4/2025 11:52 AM, bmoore wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/02/opinion/trump-ukraine-zelensky-usaid.html

As a conservative, I’ve long respected the concept of “Chesterton’s fence,” named after G.K. Chesterton, a British
writer, philosopher and Catholic apologist. Chesterton argued that the best and most careful approach to change
required us to discern why, say, a fence might block a road and not to just tear it down.

“The more modern type of reformer,” Chesterton wrote, “goes gaily up to it and says, ‘I don’t see the use of this; let
us clear it away.’ To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: ‘If you don’t see the use of
it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do
see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.’ ”

There is nothing conservative about Trump’s movement. He’s bulldozing Chesterton’s fence with glee.

As Trump destroys institutions, he destroys trust. And trust, once destroyed, is the most difficult thing to restore.

Maybe if people didn't trust the government, perhaps they would become
more self-reliant? If so, then that would be good, IMHO
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In article <vq85h4$23kg5$[email protected]>, Scall5 <[email protected]> wrote:

On 3/4/2025 11:52 AM, bmoore wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/02/opinion/trump-ukraine-zelensky-usaid.html >>
As a conservative, I’ve long respected the concept of “Chesterton’s fence,” named after G.K.

Chesterton, a British

writer, philosopher and Catholic apologist. Chesterton argued that the best and most careful approach to change
required us to discern why, say, a fence might block a road and not to just tear it down.

“The more modern type of reformer,” Chesterton wrote, “goes gaily up to it and says, ‘I don’t see

the use of this; let

us clear it away.’ To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: ‘If you don’t

see the use of

it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do
see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.’ ”

There is nothing conservative about Trump’s movement. He’s bulldozing Chesterton’s fence with glee.

As Trump destroys institutions, he destroys trust. And trust, once destroyed, is the most difficult thing to restore.

Maybe if people didn't trust the government, perhaps they would become
more self-reliant? If so, then that would be good, IMHO

Well, of course we need to be self-reliant. You can't depend on the government for everything. But we do live in a
society. I understand libertarians, but only to a point.

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