• Re: OT: The relationship between Trump & Musk

    From TT@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 26 02:13:24 2025
    Sawfish kirjoitti 25.2.2025 klo 2.15:
    WRT to Trump giving Musk charge of an ad hoc super-plenary bureau is
    very similar to an American gun owner leaving his home protection pistol
    out where his 9 year old son can play around with it.

    Does it seem that way to you, too?


    Which one is the 9 year old?

    Some are saying that Trump & Musk had an interview together and it
    seemed that Elon was running the show... and also that Trump seems older
    & even more incoherent than before.

    I have to say that apart from anti-woke & anti-immigration stance Trump
    has so far been TERRIBLE president, way worse than even I expected...

    Too long list of shit already to list. I really don't like him forcing
    Ukraine to give their minerals to US. They belong to Europe. That's just
    one of the many arguably worse things he's doing or done already.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 26 02:18:07 2025
    TT kirjoitti 26.2.2025 klo 2.13:
    Sawfish kirjoitti 25.2.2025 klo 2.15:
    WRT to Trump giving Musk charge of an ad hoc super-plenary bureau is
    very similar to an American gun owner leaving his home protection
    pistol out where his 9 year old son can play around with it.

    Does it seem that way to you, too?


    Which one is the 9 year old?

    Some are saying that Trump & Musk had an interview together and it
    seemed that Elon was running the show... and also that Trump seems older
    & even more incoherent than before.

    I have to say that apart from anti-woke & anti-immigration stance Trump
    has so far been TERRIBLE president, way worse than even I expected...

    Too long list of shit already to list. I really don't like him forcing Ukraine to give their minerals to US. They belong to Europe. That's just
    one of the many arguably worse things he's doing or done already.

    And I have to say that as an investor I'm ALREADY really tired of his
    market moving crap. This will be a tough & wearisome 4 years for global investors. Jesus...

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 25 22:40:02 2025
    On 2/25/2025 6:18 PM, TT wrote:
    TT kirjoitti 26.2.2025 klo 2.13:
    Sawfish kirjoitti 25.2.2025 klo 2.15:
    WRT to Trump giving Musk charge of an ad hoc super-plenary bureau is
    very similar to an American gun owner leaving his home protection
    pistol out where his 9 year old son can play around with it.

    Does it seem that way to you, too?


    Which one is the 9 year old?

    Some are saying that Trump & Musk had an interview together and it
    seemed that Elon was running the show... and also that Trump seems
    older & even more incoherent than before.

    I have to say that apart from anti-woke & anti-immigration stance
    Trump has so far been TERRIBLE president, way worse than even I
    expected...

    Too long list of shit already to list. I really don't like him forcing
    Ukraine to give their minerals to US. They belong to Europe. That's
    just one of the many arguably worse things he's doing or done already.

    And I have to say that as an investor I'm ALREADY really tired of his
    market moving crap. This will be a tough & wearisome 4 years for global investors. Jesus...

    Dollar cost investing is the key, especially for a young chap like you,
    TT...
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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Feb 26 06:58:22 2025
    TT <[email protected]> Wrote in message:
    Too long list of shit already to list. I really don't like him forcing Ukraine to give their minerals to US. They belong to Europe. That's just one of the many arguably worse things he's doing or done already.



    Hm, see Sawfish and Scall what was this war all about from TT's perspective?


    We had that earlier.


    http://www.ucrdc.org/Film-Hitler_annotated.html

    Hitler had his own plans for Ukraine, the breadbasket of Europe. Germany wanted space to expand, and Ukraine, with its rich soil and mineral resources would become Germany’s new Garden of Eden, to be completely repopulated by the German master race.

    “I need Ukraine,” said Hitler, “so no one can starve us out again, as they did in the last war.”



    Hitler needed it, TT wants it, and evil EU new Hitler also wants it.


    https://www.euronews.com/2022/02/27/ukraine-is-one-of-us-and-we-want-them-in-eu-ursula-von-der-leyen-tells-euronews



    Ukraine is one of "them" they say?

    No it's not one of them, in fact if has nothing with them, it's the birthplace of Russian orthodox church, the center of the Russian medieval state, hugely important security buffer, and as such an indispensable part of the Russian world.


    https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/GettyImages-585137800-e1646177690729.jpg


    Oh yes, and the minerals too. Lol.



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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 26 18:21:08 2025
    Scall5 kirjoitti 26.2.2025 klo 6.40:
    On 2/25/2025 6:18 PM, TT wrote:
    TT kirjoitti 26.2.2025 klo 2.13:
    Sawfish kirjoitti 25.2.2025 klo 2.15:
    WRT to Trump giving Musk charge of an ad hoc super-plenary bureau is
    very similar to an American gun owner leaving his home protection
    pistol out where his 9 year old son can play around with it.

    Does it seem that way to you, too?


    Which one is the 9 year old?

    Some are saying that Trump & Musk had an interview together and it
    seemed that Elon was running the show... and also that Trump seems
    older & even more incoherent than before.

    I have to say that apart from anti-woke & anti-immigration stance
    Trump has so far been TERRIBLE president, way worse than even I
    expected...

    Too long list of shit already to list. I really don't like him
    forcing Ukraine to give their minerals to US. They belong to Europe.
    That's just one of the many arguably worse things he's doing or done
    already.

    And I have to say that as an investor I'm ALREADY really tired of his
    market moving crap. This will be a tough & wearisome 4 years for
    global investors. Jesus...

    Dollar cost investing is the key, especially for a young chap like you,
    TT...

    :))

    Yeah. Well, sold today a small chunk of my China position, being up 60%
    in a year...

    Trim the rips & buy the dips.

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 26 17:34:08 2025
    On 2/25/2025 11:58 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    TT <[email protected]> Wrote in message:
    Too long list of shit already to list. I really don't like him forcing Ukraine to give their minerals to US. They belong to Europe. That's just one of the many arguably worse things he's doing or done already.



    Hm, see Sawfish and Scall what was this war all about from TT's perspective?

    All nations participating in a war have legit perspectives. Some more
    than others, of course.

    Personally, I always have been against expanding NATO since 1991 as the
    Soviet Union was/is no longer a threat. If the USSR or Russia took over
    Mexico I can assure you that the USA would rise up greatly, perhaps just
    like Russia is doing now. So I understand, but don't agree with, Russia attacking Ukraine. I also agree that Crimea was always Russian and not Ukrainian.
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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Feb 27 11:48:41 2025
    Scall5 <[email protected]> Wrote in message:
    All nations participating in a war have legit perspectives. Some more than others, of course.Personally, I always have been against expanding NATO since 1991 as the Soviet Union was/is no longer a threat. If the USSR or Russia took over Mexico I can
    assure you that the USA would rise up greatly, perhaps just like Russia is doing now. So I understand, but don't agree with, Russia attacking Ukraine. I also agree that Crimea was always Russian and not Ukrainian.


    I think you could get along with Russia very well this approach. But even with the US elites, I think it's a minority view?

    Nobody ever tried that.



    Now going back to 1991, it was a cold war, a war which USA won. That's rather important notion.

    I feel Russians have ego issue with that, as they don't like to see it that way, they like to think of "end of the cold war", but it's their cope.

    They did lose it.

    Naturally, as great philosopher Abba said "winner takes it all", USA took it all, or all that it could.

    You can't really hold any grudges against that. It's normal.



    But at the same time, it was indeed a unique war, a war fought through proxies for decades, a war between former allies in the greatest war ever, and a war between two countries that feared each other, kinda respected each other and I'm sure, would never
    directly attach each other.

    So Russians lowering the guard in 1980s, denouncing socialism and communism and opting to go West, was what made the end of that war possible.

    If they really wanted to continue they would have done so. So they did choose to end it.

    They went there too quickly and the system couldn't take it (economic + political returns) so their entire buffer collapsed, not only eastern European countries behind iron curtain breaking off after Gorbachev told them he won't stop them, but also their
    own state/empire desintegrated. So they turned into a losing party, not the one who is equal anymore.

    In retrospect that's something which Putin is so pissed about. 70-years of communist rule ruined people's perception regarding the difference between a party and a state. Party was the state and state was the party. I'm oversimplifying but for them at
    the time their decision to dismantle soviet system was all they cared about, they didn't think or understand that dismantling the state would cause all sorts of problem.

    In comparison China only did economic reforms, so their country remained intact. They were a lot smarter.


    Basically Russia had no people like Putin back then imo, who wouldn't care about communism, but would prevent USSR from collapsing. Borders of USSR and Russian empire or more precisely sphere within those borders is what's very important for them
    historically and has nothing to do with political system. Whether it's a Czar or general secretary or president sitting in Kremlin, they have same border concerns.

    Gorbachev tried to stop country from collapsing, but was not strong enough and those who tried to prevent it (communist hardliners) did a coup in 1991, but since they were communists they lost as people didn't want communism anymore.

    That's it.

    I wouldn't say at any point that America was evil, it's stupid to describe geopolitical struggle in such terms, they saw an opening and expanded with their sphere, but I think America made a mistake and missed a chance by not fully embracing Russia at
    Russia's most benevolent and most hippy moment in their entire history.

    A chance as big as Federer's 40-15.



    NATO was founded in 1949, Soviets created Warsaw pact only in 1955 and they disbanded it in 1991 or whatever.

    So NATO should have been disbanded as well or should have incorporated all of Warsaw pact countries to have a combined security sphere. Imagine the savings in defense budgets for everyone?

    By the very nature, such sphere would have been anti-Chinese, so I'm not especially favouring that either, no country or civilisation is inherently evil, it's all about interests and who makes a deal.

    Basically America didn't want Russia at the table or didn't want to give a seat big enough to Russia to please them, and the history went in other direction.

    It is what it is.



    Now, I like that Trump is pushing with the minerals in this war. It forces eurofags to announce they want those minerals as well. Trump is exposing the truth. And naturally why wouldn't Russia want those minerals?

    So if all 3 want the same, and it's a territory populated with orthodox Slavs, where Russian church was founded and first Russian dynasty ruled, it's easy to see whose claims are really most legit.

    And naturally since it's their security buffer, we know Russia will start firing nukes before they allow any western military installment in Ukraine.

    Russia is backed by China enough to maintain its economy so essentially they can't lose and will go as long as it takes. It's also in China's interests to have west preoccupied with Europe and not focused on Asia and Africa.







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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Thu Feb 27 18:38:13 2025
    PeteWasLucky <[email protected]> Wrote in message:
    Nice and long analysis of the historical events, but I am wondering if you wanted to make a statement and just couldn't make it clear enough or wanted it buried in these paragraphs?



    I don't feel I've revealed any secrets in this analysis and likewise I don't feel it was long either. I do agree it was nice. 😁


    But there is a secret, the "secret" to understanding this issue is precisely in these kind of analysis and taking them at face value.

    There's nothing behind it, there's this. Here and now. And serious discussion about this. So no, this is not something to bury the statement. This was the statement itself.

    This is what's been missing in the west and why Russia has no interlocutors.



    You did it, but you act same as many Western especially EU bureaucrats. The habit of dismissing reality so easily reeks of wokeism.

    You don't like the way something sounds, you don't like what someone says, and it's dismissed. So whatever Russia said, it's dismisses. Case solved in your minds.


    Unfortunately for you, Putin is there riding on his bear to remind you.



    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/no-putin-doesnt-ride-bears/


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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Thu Feb 27 22:14:54 2025
    PeteWasLucky <[email protected]> Wrote in message:
    When you say "you", did you mean me? :)


    Yes, but also "you" as your country and their actions. So both.




    I liked the analysis you posted and was genuinely asking you to summarize your conclusion or thoughts, because I felt you wanted to say something, except maybe you just wanted to post all of this.


    Like I said, there's no hidden message, the message is out, Russia has been saying it for many years, it's the other side that's been oblivious to it.

    And btw not just Russia, you had enough of your own scholars even if all of your politicians were in the same boat, academics still spoke.

    Cohen, Mearsheimer, Sachs to name the few.




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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=C3=B6s?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 1 14:54:31 2025
    On 26/02/2025 2.18, TT wrote:
    TT kirjoitti 26.2.2025 klo 2.13:
    Sawfish kirjoitti 25.2.2025 klo 2.15:
    WRT to Trump giving Musk charge of an ad hoc super-plenary bureau is
    very similar to an American gun owner leaving his home protection
    pistol out where his 9 year old son can play around with it.

    Does it seem that way to you, too?


    Which one is the 9 year old?

    Some are saying that Trump & Musk had an interview together and it
    seemed that Elon was running the show... and also that Trump seems
    older & even more incoherent than before.

    I have to say that apart from anti-woke & anti-immigration stance
    Trump has so far been TERRIBLE president, way worse than even I
    expected...

    Too long list of shit already to list. I really don't like him forcing
    Ukraine to give their minerals to US. They belong to Europe. That's
    just one of the many arguably worse things he's doing or done already.

    And I have to say that as an investor I'm ALREADY really tired of his
    market moving crap. This will be a tough & wearisome 4 years for global investors. Jesus...

    You should have thanked Papa Joe for the past four years. But you never did.

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 1 08:47:50 2025
    On 3/1/2025 6:54 AM, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 26/02/2025 2.18, TT wrote:
    TT kirjoitti 26.2.2025 klo 2.13:
    Sawfish kirjoitti 25.2.2025 klo 2.15:
    WRT to Trump giving Musk charge of an ad hoc super-plenary bureau is
    very similar to an American gun owner leaving his home protection
    pistol out where his 9 year old son can play around with it.

    Does it seem that way to you, too?


    Which one is the 9 year old?

    Some are saying that Trump & Musk had an interview together and it
    seemed that Elon was running the show... and also that Trump seems
    older & even more incoherent than before.

    I have to say that apart from anti-woke & anti-immigration stance
    Trump has so far been TERRIBLE president, way worse than even I
    expected...

    Too long list of shit already to list. I really don't like him
    forcing Ukraine to give their minerals to US. They belong to Europe.
    That's just one of the many arguably worse things he's doing or done
    already.

    And I have to say that as an investor I'm ALREADY really tired of his
    market moving crap. This will be a tough & wearisome 4 years for
    global investors. Jesus...

    You should have thanked Papa Joe for the past four years. But you never
    did.

    Would be wasted communication, Sleepy Joe would forget about any such
    remarks in about 20 minutes...
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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Sat Mar 1 08:51:49 2025
    On 2/28/2025 9:26 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 2/28/25 7:11 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Sawfish <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r
    On 2/27/25 9:38 AM, *skriptis wrote:> PeteWasLucky
    <[email protected]> Wrote in message:>> Nice and long analysis
    of the historical events, but I am wondering if you wanted to make a
    statement and just couldn't make it clear enough or wanted it buried
    in these paragraphs?> > > > I don't feel I've revealed any secrets in
    this analysis and likewise I don't feel it was long either. I do
    agree it was nice. > > > But there is a secret, the "secret" to
    understanding this issue is precisely in these kind of analysis and
    taking them at face value.> > There's nothing behind it, there's
    this. Here and now. And serious discussion about this. So no, this is
    not something to bury the statement. This was the statement itself.>
    This is what's been missing in the west and why Russia has no
    interlocutors.I don't know what's been missing in the west, but your
    analysis is almost *exactly* the way I address such topics.
    ABSOLUTELY one must drop choosing sides and this means tossing out
    the ideas of "right" and "wrong" at least until after the analysis is
    completed and it is then safe to allow subjective associations.So you
    *can* afford to say "such-and-such is fucked up" but not until after
    you've objectively explored the topic and understand its nuances.
    Many people make the subjective judgement *first* and then feel that
    they don't need to analyze it or understand it, simply because they
    reflexively labeled it as "fucked up". This can also be a figleaf for
    the lazy intellect, allowing them to mouth dogma in lieu of
    examination.Basically, you must allow yourself to think the
    unthinkable. It will not gain you many friends, but at least you've
    got a better chance of getting it right. Besides, who needs
    friends? :^)And yes, it *does* take a lot of words to correctly set
    and explore context. It is the opposite of reflexive exchange based
    on tropes.> > > > You did it, but you act same as many Western
    especially EU bureaucrats. The habit of dismissing reality so easily
    reeks of wokeism.> > You don't like the way something sounds, you
    don't like what someone says, and it's dismissed. So whatever Russia
    said, it's dismisses. Case solved in your minds.> > > Unfortunately
    for you, Putin is there riding on his bear to remind you.> > > >
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/no-putin-doesnt-ride-bears/> > --
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make Woke."--Sawfish~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Just because it *does* take a lot of words, then it must make sense :)
    And somehow it's not just more words coming out of an already biased
    mindset.

    But wait, you are already thinking it can't be this way, you are not
    like this,  you know how to do it perfectly :) aren't we all?


    Ah, well... :^)

    Sawfish - ever notice how these DEI folks are masters at saying
    something without providing any context? Or even worse, finding a way to
    make it sound like YOU are the problem without them doing any
    self-reflection? Liberal arts education at it's best...
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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Mar 1 16:26:58 2025
    In article <vpv6u6$8uij$[email protected]>, Scall5 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2/28/2025 9:26 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 2/28/25 7:11 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Sawfish <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r
    On 2/27/25 9:38 AM, *skriptis wrote:> PeteWasLucky
    <[email protected]> Wrote in message:>> Nice and long analysis
    of the historical events, but I am wondering if you wanted to make a
    statement and just couldn't make it clear enough or wanted it buried
    in these paragraphs?> > > > I don't feel I've revealed any secrets in
    this analysis and likewise I don't feel it was long either. I do
    agree it was nice. > > > But there is a secret, the "secret" to
    understanding this issue is precisely in these kind of analysis and
    taking them at face value.> > There's nothing behind it, there's
    this. Here and now. And serious discussion about this. So no, this is
    not something to bury the statement. This was the statement itself.>
    This is what's been missing in the west and why Russia has no
    interlocutors.I don't know what's been missing in the west, but your
    analysis is almost *exactly* the way I address such topics.
    ABSOLUTELY one must drop choosing sides and this means tossing out
    the ideas of "right" and "wrong" at least until after the analysis is
    completed and it is then safe to allow subjective associations.So you
    *can* afford to say "such-and-such is fucked up" but not until after
    you've objectively explored the topic and understand its nuances.
    Many people make the subjective judgement *first* and then feel that
    they don't need to analyze it or understand it, simply because they
    reflexively labeled it as "fucked up". This can also be a figleaf for
    the lazy intellect, allowing them to mouth dogma in lieu of
    examination.Basically, you must allow yourself to think the
    unthinkable. It will not gain you many friends, but at least you've
    got a better chance of getting it right. Besides, who needs
    friends? :^)And yes, it *does* take a lot of words to correctly set
    and explore context. It is the opposite of reflexive exchange based
    on tropes.> > > > You did it, but you act same as many Western
    especially EU bureaucrats. The habit of dismissing reality so easily
    reeks of wokeism.> > You don't like the way something sounds, you
    don't like what someone says, and it's dismissed. So whatever Russia
    said, it's dismisses. Case solved in your minds.> > > Unfortunately
    for you, Putin is there riding on his bear to remind you.> > > >
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/no-putin-doesnt-ride-bears/> > --
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Those whom the gods wish to
    destroy, they first make >Woke."--Sawfish~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Just because it *does* take a lot of words, then it must make sense :)
    And somehow it's not just more words coming out of an already biased
    mindset.

    But wait, you are already thinking it can't be this way, you are not
    like this,  you know how to do it perfectly :) aren't we all?


    Ah, well... :^)

    Sawfish - ever notice how these DEI folks are masters at saying
    something without providing any context? Or even worse, finding a way to
    make it sound like YOU are the problem without them doing any >self-reflection? Liberal arts education at it's best...

    It goes both ways. Everybody blames everybody else. That's a human problem, not a liberal/conservative thing.

    Trump's probably the worst in recent history. Everything out of his mouth trashes others. Imagine what he'll be
    saying about Elon soon enough.

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to bmoore on Sat Mar 1 11:38:51 2025
    On 3/1/2025 10:26 AM, bmoore wrote:
    In article <vpv6u6$8uij$[email protected]>, Scall5 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2/28/2025 9:26 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 2/28/25 7:11 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Sawfish <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r
    On 2/27/25 9:38 AM, *skriptis wrote:> PeteWasLucky
    <[email protected]> Wrote in message:>> Nice and long analysis
    of the historical events, but I am wondering if you wanted to make a >>>>> statement and just couldn't make it clear enough or wanted it buried >>>>> in these paragraphs?> > > > I don't feel I've revealed any secrets in >>>>> this analysis and likewise I don't feel it was long either. I do
    agree it was nice. > > > But there is a secret, the "secret" to
    understanding this issue is precisely in these kind of analysis and
    taking them at face value.> > There's nothing behind it, there's
    this. Here and now. And serious discussion about this. So no, this is >>>>> not something to bury the statement. This was the statement itself.> >>>>>> This is what's been missing in the west and why Russia has no
    interlocutors.I don't know what's been missing in the west, but your >>>>> analysis is almost *exactly* the way I address such topics.
    ABSOLUTELY one must drop choosing sides and this means tossing out
    the ideas of "right" and "wrong" at least until after the analysis is >>>>> completed and it is then safe to allow subjective associations.So you >>>>> *can* afford to say "such-and-such is fucked up" but not until after >>>>> you've objectively explored the topic and understand its nuances.
    Many people make the subjective judgement *first* and then feel that >>>>> they don't need to analyze it or understand it, simply because they
    reflexively labeled it as "fucked up". This can also be a figleaf for >>>>> the lazy intellect, allowing them to mouth dogma in lieu of
    examination.Basically, you must allow yourself to think the
    unthinkable. It will not gain you many friends, but at least you've
    got a better chance of getting it right. Besides, who needs
    friends? :^)And yes, it *does* take a lot of words to correctly set
    and explore context. It is the opposite of reflexive exchange based
    on tropes.> > > > You did it, but you act same as many Western
    especially EU bureaucrats. The habit of dismissing reality so easily >>>>> reeks of wokeism.> > You don't like the way something sounds, you
    don't like what someone says, and it's dismissed. So whatever Russia >>>>> said, it's dismisses. Case solved in your minds.> > > Unfortunately
    for you, Putin is there riding on his bear to remind you.> > > >
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/no-putin-doesnt-ride-bears/> > --
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Those whom the gods wish to
    destroy, they first make
    Woke."--Sawfish~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Just because it *does* take a lot of words, then it must make sense :) >>>> And somehow it's not just more words coming out of an already biased
    mindset.

    But wait, you are already thinking it can't be this way, you are not
    like this,  you know how to do it perfectly :) aren't we all?


    Ah, well... :^)

    Sawfish - ever notice how these DEI folks are masters at saying
    something without providing any context? Or even worse, finding a way to
    make it sound like YOU are the problem without them doing any
    self-reflection? Liberal arts education at it's best...

    It goes both ways. Everybody blames everybody else. That's a human problem, not a liberal/conservative thing.

    I agree, 100%.

    Trump's probably the worst in recent history. Everything out of his mouth trashes others. Imagine what he'll be
    saying about Elon soon enough.

    I am on the edge waiting for that blowup! It will be fascinating, for
    sure. Elon, the former liberal, now conservative; someday relegated to
    an outcast when Trump gets tired of him? Spicy stuff...
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 1 11:46:37 2025
    On 2/26/2025 10:21 AM, TT wrote:
    Scall5 kirjoitti 26.2.2025 klo 6.40:
    On 2/25/2025 6:18 PM, TT wrote:
    TT kirjoitti 26.2.2025 klo 2.13:
    Sawfish kirjoitti 25.2.2025 klo 2.15:
    WRT to Trump giving Musk charge of an ad hoc super-plenary bureau
    is very similar to an American gun owner leaving his home
    protection pistol out where his 9 year old son can play around with
    it.

    Does it seem that way to you, too?


    Which one is the 9 year old?

    Some are saying that Trump & Musk had an interview together and it
    seemed that Elon was running the show... and also that Trump seems
    older & even more incoherent than before.

    I have to say that apart from anti-woke & anti-immigration stance
    Trump has so far been TERRIBLE president, way worse than even I
    expected...

    Too long list of shit already to list. I really don't like him
    forcing Ukraine to give their minerals to US. They belong to Europe.
    That's just one of the many arguably worse things he's doing or done
    already.

    And I have to say that as an investor I'm ALREADY really tired of his
    market moving crap. This will be a tough & wearisome 4 years for
    global investors. Jesus...

    Dollar cost investing is the key, especially for a young chap like
    you, TT...

    :))

    Yeah. Well, sold today a small chunk of my China position, being up 60%
    in a year...

    Trim the rips & buy the dips.

    Good for you! I never try to time the market, although sometimes I wish
    I had done so. Seems like the market never moves how I think it will. So
    I just buy and hold - has been acceptable for me over the decades.
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 1 19:56:41 2025
    Scall5 kirjoitti 1.3.2025 klo 19.38:
    On 3/1/2025 10:26 AM, bmoore wrote:
    In article <vpv6u6$8uij$[email protected]>, Scall5  <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    On 2/28/2025 9:26 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 2/28/25 7:11 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Sawfish <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r
    On 2/27/25 9:38 AM, *skriptis wrote:> PeteWasLucky
    <[email protected]> Wrote in message:>> Nice and long analysis >>>>>> of the historical events, but I am wondering if you wanted to make a >>>>>> statement and just couldn't make it clear enough or wanted it buried >>>>>> in these paragraphs?> > > > I don't feel I've revealed any secrets in >>>>>> this analysis and likewise I don't feel it was long either. I do
    agree it was nice. > > > But there is a secret, the "secret" to
    understanding this issue is precisely in these kind of analysis and >>>>>> taking them at face value.> > There's nothing behind it, there's
    this. Here and now. And serious discussion about this. So no, this is >>>>>> not something to bury the statement. This was the statement itself.> >>>>>>> This is what's been missing in the west and why Russia has no
    interlocutors.I don't know what's been missing in the west, but your >>>>>> analysis is almost *exactly* the way I address such topics.
    ABSOLUTELY one must drop choosing sides and this means tossing out >>>>>> the ideas of "right" and "wrong" at least until after the analysis is >>>>>> completed and it is then safe to allow subjective associations.So you >>>>>> *can* afford to say "such-and-such is fucked up" but not until after >>>>>> you've objectively explored the topic and understand its nuances.
    Many people make the subjective judgement *first* and then feel that >>>>>> they don't need to analyze it or understand it, simply because they >>>>>> reflexively labeled it as "fucked up". This can also be a figleaf for >>>>>> the lazy intellect, allowing them to mouth dogma in lieu of
    examination.Basically, you must allow yourself to think the
    unthinkable. It will not gain you many friends, but at least you've >>>>>> got a better chance of getting it right. Besides, who needs
    friends? :^)And yes, it *does* take a lot of words to correctly set >>>>>> and explore context. It is the opposite of reflexive exchange based >>>>>> on tropes.> > > > You did it, but you act same as many Western
    especially EU bureaucrats. The habit of dismissing reality so easily >>>>>> reeks of wokeism.> > You don't like the way something sounds, you
    don't like what someone says, and it's dismissed. So whatever Russia >>>>>> said, it's dismisses. Case solved in your minds.> > > Unfortunately >>>>>> for you, Putin is there riding on his bear to remind you.> > > >
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/no-putin-doesnt-ride-bears/> > -- >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Those whom the gods wish to
    destroy, they first make
    Woke."--
    Sawfish~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Just because it *does* take a lot of words, then it must make sense :) >>>>> And somehow it's not just more words coming out of an already biased >>>>> mindset.

    But wait, you are already thinking it can't be this way, you are not >>>>> like this,  you know how to do it perfectly :) aren't we all?


    Ah, well... :^)

    Sawfish - ever notice how these DEI folks are masters at saying
    something without providing any context? Or even worse, finding a way to >>> make it sound like YOU are the problem without them doing any
    self-reflection? Liberal arts education at it's best...

    It goes both ways. Everybody blames everybody else. That's a human
    problem, not a liberal/conservative thing.

    I agree, 100%.

    Trump's probably the worst in recent history. Everything out of his
    mouth trashes others. Imagine what he'll be
    saying about Elon soon enough.

    I am on the edge waiting for that blowup! It will be fascinating, for
    sure. Elon, the former liberal, now conservative; someday relegated to
    an outcast when Trump gets tired of him? Spicy stuff...

    Elon may descend from "super genius" to "dumb as a rock" in one day.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 1 20:02:17 2025
    Scall5 kirjoitti 1.3.2025 klo 19.46:
    On 2/26/2025 10:21 AM, TT wrote:
    Scall5 kirjoitti 26.2.2025 klo 6.40:
    On 2/25/2025 6:18 PM, TT wrote:
    TT kirjoitti 26.2.2025 klo 2.13:
    Sawfish kirjoitti 25.2.2025 klo 2.15:
    WRT to Trump giving Musk charge of an ad hoc super-plenary bureau
    is very similar to an American gun owner leaving his home
    protection pistol out where his 9 year old son can play around
    with it.

    Does it seem that way to you, too?


    Which one is the 9 year old?

    Some are saying that Trump & Musk had an interview together and it
    seemed that Elon was running the show... and also that Trump seems
    older & even more incoherent than before.

    I have to say that apart from anti-woke & anti-immigration stance
    Trump has so far been TERRIBLE president, way worse than even I
    expected...

    Too long list of shit already to list. I really don't like him
    forcing Ukraine to give their minerals to US. They belong to
    Europe. That's just one of the many arguably worse things he's
    doing or done already.

    And I have to say that as an investor I'm ALREADY really tired of
    his market moving crap. This will be a tough & wearisome 4 years for
    global investors. Jesus...

    Dollar cost investing is the key, especially for a young chap like
    you, TT...

    :))

    Yeah. Well, sold today a small chunk of my China position, being up
    60% in a year...

    Trim the rips & buy the dips.

    Good for you! I never try to time the market, although sometimes I wish
    I had done so. Seems like the market never moves how I think it will. So
    I just buy and hold - has been acceptable for me over the decades.

    That's probably a good principle. I try to do the same.

    Worked for me this time. Well, if I see Hang Seng index under 15k - I
    buy the damn thing!

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to jdeluise on Sat Mar 1 13:33:00 2025
    On 3/1/2025 1:15 PM, jdeluise wrote:
    Scall5 <[email protected]> writes:


    I am on the edge waiting for that blowup! It will be fascinating, for
    sure. Elon, the former liberal, now conservative; someday relegated to
    an outcast when Trump gets tired of him? Spicy stuff...

    No, it will be jail.  Or the same fate as Epstein.

    Think they will cover Musk's tracks as well as they are covering up
    Epstein's horrible ventures?
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 1 23:23:20 2025
    Sawfish kirjoitti 1.3.2025 klo 21.17:
    On 3/1/25 9:46 AM, Scall5 wrote:
    On 2/26/2025 10:21 AM, TT wrote:
    Scall5 kirjoitti 26.2.2025 klo 6.40:
    On 2/25/2025 6:18 PM, TT wrote:
    TT kirjoitti 26.2.2025 klo 2.13:
    Sawfish kirjoitti 25.2.2025 klo 2.15:
    WRT to Trump giving Musk charge of an ad hoc super-plenary bureau >>>>>>> is very similar to an American gun owner leaving his home
    protection pistol out where his 9 year old son can play around
    with it.

    Does it seem that way to you, too?


    Which one is the 9 year old?

    Some are saying that Trump & Musk had an interview together and it >>>>>> seemed that Elon was running the show... and also that Trump seems >>>>>> older & even more incoherent than before.

    I have to say that apart from anti-woke & anti-immigration stance
    Trump has so far been TERRIBLE president, way worse than even I
    expected...

    Too long list of shit already to list. I really don't like him
    forcing Ukraine to give their minerals to US. They belong to
    Europe. That's just one of the many arguably worse things he's
    doing or done already.

    And I have to say that as an investor I'm ALREADY really tired of
    his market moving crap. This will be a tough & wearisome 4 years
    for global investors. Jesus...

    Dollar cost investing is the key, especially for a young chap like
    you, TT...

    :))

    Yeah. Well, sold today a small chunk of my China position, being up
    60% in a year...

    Trim the rips & buy the dips.

    Good for you! I never try to time the market, although sometimes I
    wish I had done so. Seems like the market never moves how I think it
    will. So I just buy and hold - has been acceptable for me over the
    decades.

    This simplifies matters quite a lot, in that you look for a) companies
    that are very unlikely to go out of business and who have demonstrated
    that they can extend into new markets (I think Microsoft fits this) and
    b) if possible,they pay a dividend.


    Microsoft is definitely a keeper.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 2 02:32:03 2025
    Sawfish kirjoitti 2.3.2025 klo 2.21:

    This time is different. There is a lot of shit going on real, real fast,
    and it's completely unlike anything I've seen in the US in my lifetime--
    and I can recall clearly Stalin's death, reading the political coverage
    of it, to give you an idea of the time frame.


    Yes, the pace of it is crazy.


    Trump is basically doing a restructuring of a private company, but the
    target is the government/public sector. Nothing like this has happened
    before although in the private sector, in tech, it was happening to me
    all the time. A normal fact of life. In theory, a public sector re-org *might* have some very positive outcomes, but against that it could be
    so disruptive to the public that all benefits are outweighed by the confusion/disruption.

    We'll just have to see.

    But bigger than that, *why* is he doing this? Is he a proponent of libertarian ideals as relate to government? I doubt it; he's not an ideologue. I think it's way more basic, visceral: almost all sectors of
    the government made his first term harder than it needed to be--or at
    least this is how he sees it, I think. So basically the main reason is personal payback. And yet, inadvertently, as a side effect, this might
    do some good. It's like a hard reset: the hardware is desperately
    confused and out-of-sync. Ideally it'll try to come up clean and
    establish all new handshakes, and something like that is needed to break
    the status quo, which is not sustainable.

    On the foreign affairs side, he simply likes to negotiate and make
    deals, and that's probably his primary motivation, although his ego
    drives him to also want positive recognition for all this.

    The biggest single aspect that's cooking, and it never has before
    (except maybe with Hague) is that he most certainly is not acting like
    he worries about re-election so he is unrestrained by public opinion.
    This needs repeating: he does not give a shit if The Atlantic takes him
    to task over supposed adolescent suicides because they could not get transgendered at will. Like no other US politician in my lifetime. And
    of course this makes sense in two diverging ways...

    He's got term limits and no real ties of loyalty to the GOP
    organization, so unlike Clinton and Obama, who wanted to become the
    Grand Old Men of their party, Trump could hardly give a rat's ass, so he
    does what he wants, consequences be damned. But the *second* way that
    might explain his disregard of public opinion is more alarming: he could could very well plan to retain power after 2028.

    This is by no means easy or certain, but of all the US political
    leaders, except maybe Nixon, I have no difficulty in imagining that he'd
    do it.

    Now to do this, retain power unlawfully, leaders almost always require
    the support of the military, and this has never yet happened in the US.
    But things are different. It's an all voluntary career army, and they
    tend to be very conservative and as macho as any significant group
    anywhere in the west. They voted 65% for Trump and probably approve of
    his decisive and forceful style.

    Second part is that Trump got a hard core Sec of Defense, and replaced
    the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff with his own guy.

    This by no means guarantees that the military would support him against
    the civilian government, but he *has* made the first steps towards consolidating the military behind him.


    I don't see him being able to do a Putin/Xi aka stay in power.
    What you - and us - have to worry is this current term. At this pace
    they'll do 5 terms worth of stuff anyway.

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