• Sinner secures #1 year end ranking

    From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 14 16:02:14 2024
    Hello there!

    Beating Djoker in the Shanghai ATP1000 final
    secured Jannik Sinner #1 year end ranking.

    What a great achievement! Carlos Alcaraz as
    #2 is a long way behind when you examine
    their ATP points.

    I want to congratulate Jannik Sinner and all
    italian tennis fans!

    br,
    KK

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Mon Oct 14 17:55:55 2024
    On 10/14/2024 11:02 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Hello there!

    Beating Djoker in the Shanghai ATP1000 final
    secured Jannik Sinner #1 year end ranking.

    What a great achievement! Carlos Alcaraz as
    #2 is a long way behind when you examine
    their ATP points.

    I want to congratulate Jannik Sinner and all
    italian tennis fans!

    br,
    KK

    Congrats Sinner! Impressive feat.
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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Tue Oct 15 20:03:33 2024
    On 15/10/2024 10:09 am, Sawfish wrote:
    On 10/14/24 3:55 PM, Scall5 wrote:
    On 10/14/2024 11:02 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Hello there!

    Beating Djoker in the Shanghai ATP1000 final
    secured Jannik Sinner #1 year end ranking.

    What a great achievement! Carlos Alcaraz as
    #2 is a long way behind when you examine
    their ATP points.

    I want to congratulate Jannik Sinner and all
    italian tennis fans!

    br,
    KK

    Congrats Sinner! Impressive feat.

    It is, but he's got to figure out how to beat Alcaraz.

    If you could suggest to him *how*, it might be fun to discuss.

    At first thought, it's not apparent to me just how he can do it, but
    *maybe* if he improved his volley, because in the current match-up,
    Alcaraz has two aspects to his game--and uses them fairly frequently--to Sinner's disadvantage: volley and drop shot.

    In both cases Sinner is comparatively weak, in my opinion. Volley,
    alone, might be enough because Alcaraz can, himself, get to almost all volleys in time to do something with them.



    Imo Carlos has more variety and options winning points, and a higher
    ceiling overall. Of course this is a blessing and a curse. It means
    Carlos will lose strange matches to lesser players but also be able to
    beat Sinner/Novak at their very best. If Carlos really gets pumped v
    Sinner every time then I think there's not much he can do to come out on
    top. It's a bit like Sampras getting up to play Agassi (6-0 h2h at
    USO/Wim). Sinner is an amazing player, huge power these days and
    mentally as tough as it gets. Carlos has to get pumped to beat him, he
    won't give him anything.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Tue Oct 15 19:54:58 2024
    On 15/10/2024 3:02 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Hello there!

    Beating Djoker in the Shanghai ATP1000 final
    secured Jannik Sinner #1 year end ranking.

    What a great achievement! Carlos Alcaraz as
    #2 is a long way behind when you examine
    their ATP points.

    I want to congratulate Jannik Sinner and all
    italian tennis fans!

    br,
    KK



    Yes, great achievement.

    Still I'd prefer Alcaraz's year - Wimbledon and FO is hard to top. I'd
    happily take no.2 ranking for those 2 slams. Also the only play Sinner couldn't beat this is Carlos 0-3 h2h.

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Tue Oct 15 19:09:02 2024
    Sawfish <[email protected]> wrote:
    [...] but [Sinner has] got to figure out how to beat Alcaraz.

    If you could suggest to him *how*, it might be fun to discuss.

    I am way too stupid to give any advice to Sinner. The
    only concrete piece of advice I could give is that
    *perhaps* Sinner should use sliced backhands more often to
    disrupt Alcaraz's groundstroke rhythm.

    I just checked and head-to-head is 6 wins for Carlitos
    and 4 for Sinner. The difference is not that huge, but
    the last three meetings have gone Alcaraz's way.

    That could well change in the following meetings. Their
    last match was ATP500 final somewhere and I seem to
    remember that Sinner lead 3-0 in the third set tie-break,
    but Alcaraz took 7 points in a row to clinch the victory.

    All in all, it was a very close match that could have gone
    either way. If I were Sinner, I would not be very worried.

    br,
    KK

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to jdeluise on Tue Oct 15 21:23:12 2024
    jdeluise <[email protected]> wrote:
    My suggestion for Sinner, get a better doping doc.

    As a multimillionaire and ranking #1, Sinner already
    has full access to all the best doping resources that
    money can buy.

    All the top athletes need the following to succeed:

    1) Talent (i.e. good genes)
    2) Enormous amount of practice
    3) Healthy food, nutrition and drinks
    4) Enough rest to recover and develop
    5) Great doping substances

    Second, fourth and fifth go hand-in-hand.
    Doping, among other things, allows you to
    recover quicker so you can practice more and
    also in tennis you can play many draining
    matches at a high level.

    Tennis is no exception, it is full of
    doping. Not so long ago, somebody in the
    ATP circles came out and revealed that
    50% of Top 100 male tennis players
    have ADHD diagnosis, so they can freely
    use Adderal and similar amphtamine-based
    "medication". I have heard that using
    "speed" has been common in professional
    tennis at least since the 1970s. No
    wonder, since it gives you quicker
    reflexes, improves concentration and
    makes you more alert.

    Using "speed" helps e.g. when receiving
    those massive serves nowadays. Even if
    the improvement is only fractions of a
    second, you will benefit from it and
    you will make more and better returns.
    That means you have better chances of
    breaking serve so it is very important
    indeed.

    Tour De France is probably one of the
    best examples of what cyclist can achieve
    with proper doping. The race is simply
    staggeringly inhuman with little or no
    rest between racing days. It is amazing
    what they go through to make it to the
    finish!

    It would be childish to think that the
    top cyclists would be clean. They are
    far from it. Bodybuilding, power lifting,
    those are also completely full of doping.

    Tennis is a wonderful sports from the
    spectator's point of view. With the sole
    exception of December, ATP/ITF organizes
    great tournaments all over the world all
    the time. So much entertainment for us
    to enjoy.

    Top tennis players absolutely need doping
    in order to survive on the ATP Tour. As
    tennis fans, we just have to accept it
    and be okay with it. We are no longer
    children so we can drop belief in fairy
    tales.

    Nadal, Djoker, Federer, were they clean?

    No fucking way!

    br,
    KK

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to jdeluise on Wed Oct 16 12:44:07 2024
    jdeluise <[email protected]> wrote:
    Maybe, but they weren't caught during very long careers, even
    once.

    None of the Tour De France cyclists were caught this year
    either.

    Sinner was caught twice. So my point stands, he needs a
    better doping doc.

    Possibly.

    br,
    KK

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sun Oct 20 15:43:38 2024
    PeteWasLucky <[email protected]> wrote:
    How? Alcaraz is 7 + 4 = 11 while Sinner
    is 3 + 5 = 8 without deducting points for juicing

    "How" what? What are those numbers?

    Sinner has a clear lead in the ATP rankings and
    will be #1 at the end of the year, regardless of
    what happens now.

    br,
    KK

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Sun Oct 20 18:31:18 2024
    [email protected] (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:r
    PeteWasLucky <[email protected]> wrote:> How? Alcaraz is 7 + 4 = 11 while Sinner> is 3 + 5 = 8 without deducting points for juicing"How" what? What are those numbers?Sinner has a clear lead in the ATP rankings andwill be #1 at the end of the year,
    regardless ofwhat happens now.br,KK



    7543

    7 pts for Wimbledon
    5 pts for US Open
    4 pts for French Open
    3 pts for Australian Open



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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Oct 20 17:57:34 2024
    *skriptis <[email protected]> wrote:
    7543

    7 pts for Wimbledon
    5 pts for US Open
    4 pts for French Open
    3 pts for Australian Open

    Winning any of those tournaments gives you
    2000 ATP points.

    Seems fair, even though Wimbledon is so lame
    that they could give only 1500 for winning it.

    br,
    KK

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Sun Oct 20 22:02:32 2024
    [email protected] (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis <[email protected]> wrote:> 7543> > 7 pts for Wimbledon> 5 pts for US Open> 4 pts for French Open> 3 pts for Australian OpenWinning any of those tournaments gives you2000 ATP points.Seems fair, even though Wimbledon is so lamethat they
    could give only 1500 for winning it.br,KK



    No you get 7 pts for Wimbledon.


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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Mon Oct 21 20:03:30 2024
    On 21/10/2024 2:43 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    PeteWasLucky <[email protected]> wrote:
    How? Alcaraz is 7 + 4 = 11 while Sinner
    is 3 + 5 = 8 without deducting points for juicing

    "How" what? What are those numbers?

    Sinner has a clear lead in the ATP rankings and
    will be #1 at the end of the year, regardless of
    what happens now.

    br,
    KK


    Sinner deserves no.1 ranking as he has most points, but I personally
    would take Wim/FO over what Sinner won.

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