On 16.2.2024 20.38, bmoore wrote:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/

He was 47.

I never understood why he had to go back. Lenin led a comfy life in
Germany before he was ferried back for the revolution. Navalnyi could of
done the same.

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bmoore <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/He was 47.

It hurts you so much that he won't be able to destroy Russia now, doesn't it?




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bmoore kirjoitti 16.2.2024 klo 20.38:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/

He was 47.

Old age is probably out of the question then.

Putin will hopefully get what's coming to him, and I'm sure his
opponents will show as little mercy as he had for his opponents.

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bmoore kirjoitti 16.2.2024 klo 20.38:> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/> > He was 47.Old age is probably out of the question then.Putin will hopefully get what's coming to him,

and I'm sure his opponents will show as little mercy as he had for his opponents.



https://nypost.com/2024/02/16/entertainment/snoop-doggs-brother-bing-worthington-dead-at-44/



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jdeluise <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r

Sawfish <[email protected]> writes:> On 2/16/24 2:40 PM, bmoore wrote:>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:>>> On 2/16/24 10:38 AM, bmoore wrote:>>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-

navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/>>>>>>>> He was 47.>>> It's difficult to see why anyone here should acre about this.>> Well, an autocrat may well have murdered his opposition. Certainly a>> possibility, given what we know about Putin.>>
You're missing my point. You're making this into a moral question that> will never be answered, cannot be answered.>> I'm coming at it from a utilitarian, not moralistic viewpoint.I didn't make anything a moral question. What could be more
utilitarianthan the identification of what the absence of the rule of law, or thedereliction of duty of those that apply the law, can lead to?



What are you blabbering about?

Navalny commited crimes and was serving his sentence.

What absence of the rule of law are you referring to?
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*skriptis kirjoitti 17.2.2024 klo 6.42:

jdeluise <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r

Sawfish <[email protected]> writes:> On 2/16/24 2:40 PM, bmoore wrote:>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:>>> On 2/16/24 10:38 AM, bmoore wrote:>>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-

navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/>>>>>>>> He was 47.>>> It's difficult to see why anyone here should acre about this.>> Well, an autocrat may well have murdered his opposition. Certainly a>> possibility, given what we know about Putin.>>
You're missing my point. You're making this into a moral question that> will never be answered, cannot be answered.>> I'm coming at it from a utilitarian, not moralistic viewpoint.I didn't make anything a moral question. What could be more
utilitarianthan the identification of what the absence of the rule of law, or thedereliction of duty of those that apply the law, can lead to?

What are you blabbering about?

Navalny commited crimes and was serving his sentence.

He did not commit crimes, those were made up charges to silence him up.

Putin ordered him killed, hence the prison change.

What absence of the rule of law are you referring to?

To Putin and Trump, I suspect.

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TT <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r

*skriptis kirjoitti 17.2.2024 klo 6.42:> jdeluise <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r>> Sawfish <[email protected]> writes:> On 2/16/24 2:40 PM, bmoore wrote:>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:>>> On 2/16/24 10:

38 AM, bmoore wrote:>>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/>>>>>>>> He was 47.>>> It's difficult to see why anyone here should acre about this.>> Well, an autocrat may well have
murdered his opposition. Certainly a>> possibility, given what we know about Putin.>> You're missing my point. You're making this into a moral question that> will never be answered, cannot be answered.>> I'm coming at it from a utilitarian, not
moralistic viewpoint.I didn't make anything a moral question. What could be more utilitarianthan the identification of what the absence of the rule of law, or thedereliction of duty of those that apply the law, can lead to?> > > > What are you
blabbering about?> > Navalny commited crimes and was serving his sentence.> He did not commit crimes, those were made up charges to silence him up.Putin ordered him killed, hence the prison change.> What absence of the rule of law are you referring to?To
Putin and Trump, I suspect.



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bmoore <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 8:26:28 PM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:> On 2/16/24 2:40 PM, bmoore wrote: > > On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: > >> On 2/16/24 10:38 AM, bmoore wrote: > >>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/

news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/ > >>> > >>> He was 47. > >> It's difficult to see why anyone here should acre about this. > > Well, an autocrat may well have murdered his opposition. Certainly a possibility,
given what we know about Putin.> You're missing my point. You're making this into a moral question that > will never be answered, cannot be answered. > > I'm coming at it from a utilitarian, not moralistic viewpoint. You don't mind that Putin murders
people who try to cross him? I know, it's way over there in Russia, but still...



A birdie told you that Putin killed him?

Or was it Jewish owned media?



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On 17.2.2024 16.52, *skriptis wrote:

bmoore <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 8:26:28 PM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:> On 2/16/24 2:40 PM, bmoore wrote: > > On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: > >> On 2/16/24 10:38 AM, bmoore wrote: > >>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/

news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/ > >>> > >>> He was 47. > >> It's difficult to see why anyone here should acre about this. > > Well, an autocrat may well have murdered his opposition. Certainly a possibility,
given what we know about Putin.> You're missing my point. You're making this into a moral question that > will never be answered, cannot be answered. > > I'm coming at it from a utilitarian, not moralistic viewpoint. You don't mind that Putin murders
people who try to cross him? I know, it's way over there in Russia, but still...

A birdie told you that Putin killed him?

As with his own two hands.

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bmoore <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 6:53:00 AM UTC-8, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r> > On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 8:26:28 PM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:> On 2/16/24 2:40 PM, bmoore wrote: > > On Friday, February 16, 2024

at 11:01:07 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: > >> On 2/16/24 10:38 AM, bmoore wrote: > >>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/ > >>> > >>> He was 47. > >> It's difficult to see why anyone
here should acre about this. > > Well, an autocrat may well have murdered his opposition. Certainly a possibility, given what we know about Putin.> You're missing my point. You're making this into a moral question that > will never be answered, cannot be
answered. > > I'm coming at it from a utilitarian, not moralistic viewpoint. You don't mind that Putin murders people who try to cross him? I know, it's way over there in Russia, but still...> A birdie told you that Putin killed him? > > Or was it Jewish
owned media?Riiight. He must have tripped. Believe whatever you want but don't count on anyone to agree. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/16/canadas-un-ambassador-on-putins-hit-list-this-is-a-regime-that-murders-its-opponents-00142028Rae said
Navalny’s death sends a “critical message” to global leaders gathering in Munch for an annual defense conference this weekend that a “horrendously destructive tyrant remains in charge of a significant government in the world.”Russia’s tyranny
is causing enormous hardship to its own people, and to the people of the world, Rae said. “You don’t succeed against tyrants by appeasing them. You succeed against tyrants by defeating them.”Navalny, 47, who was seen around the world as the most
significant domestic political opponent to Putin, is reported to have died in a Siberian prison today.It comes a week ahead of the two-year anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and a month ahead of the presidential election.Rae said Navalny
joins a long list of regime opponents “whose death over which Putin has presided.”Many of those who fell out of Putin’s favor died under mysterious circumstances. The ambassador made a list: Businessman Boris Berezovsky was found dead in his home
in 2013, former deputy prime minister Boris Nemtsov was shot dead near the Kremlin in 2015, former Russian press minister Mikhail Lesin died from blunt-force trauma in 2015, journalist Anna Politkovskaya was murdered in an elevator in 2006 and secret
service defector Alexander Litvinenko was poisoned to death with polonium the same year.More recently, Yevgeny Prigozhin, leader of the Wagner mercenary group who attempted and failed at a coup, died in a jet plane crash near Moscow.“It’s astonishing
the number of people who have been killed,” Rae said “It’s incredible. This is a regime that murders its opponents.




Politico, lol



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bmoore <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 7:33:55 AM UTC-8, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r> > On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 6:53:00 AM UTC-8, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r> > On Friday,

February 16, 2024 at 8:26:28 PM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:> On 2/16/24 2:40 PM, bmoore wrote: > > On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: > >> On 2/16/24 10:38 AM, bmoore wrote: > >>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/
2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/ > >>> > >>> He was 47. > >> It's difficult to see why anyone here should acre about this. > > Well, an autocrat may well have murdered his opposition. Certainly a possibility, given what
we know about Putin.> You're missing my point. You're making this into a moral question that > will never be answered, cannot be answered. > > I'm coming at it from a utilitarian, not moralistic viewpoint. You don't mind that Putin murders people who try
to cross him? I know, it's way over there in Russia, but still...> A birdie told you that Putin killed him? > > Or was it Jewish owned media?Riiight. He must have tripped. Believe whatever you want but don't count on anyone to agree. https://www.politico.
com/news/2024/02/16/canadas-un-ambassador-on-putins-hit-list-this-is-a-regime-that-murders-its-opponents-00142028Rae said Navalny’s death sends a “critical message” to global leaders gathering in Munch for an annual defense conference this weekend
that a “horrendously destructive tyrant remains in charge of a significant government in the world.”Russia’s tyranny is causing enormous hardship to its own people, and to the people of the world, Rae said. “You don’t succeed against tyrants by
appeasing them. You succeed against tyrants by defeating them.”Navalny, 47, who was seen around the world as the most significant domestic political opponent to Putin, is reported to have died in a Siberian prison today.It comes a week ahead of the two-
year anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and a month ahead of the presidential election.Rae said Navalny joins a long list of regime opponents “whose death over which Putin has presided.”Many of those who fell out of Putin’s favor died
under mysterious circumstances. The ambassador made a list: Businessman Boris Berezovsky was found dead in his home in 2013, former deputy prime minister Boris Nemtsov was shot dead near the Kremlin in 2015, former Russian press minister Mikhail Lesin
died from blunt-force trauma in 2015, journalist Anna Politkovskaya was murdered in an elevator in 2006 and secret service defector Alexander Litvinenko was poisoned to death with polonium the same year.More recently, Yevgeny Prigozhin, leader of the
Wagner mercenary group who attempted and failed at a coup, died in a jet plane crash near Moscow.“It’s astonishing the number of people who have been killed,” Rae said “It’s incredible. This is a regime that murders its opponents. > > > > >
Politico, lolTwistis, lolouder.



Will you finally post something of significance if you want to discuss?

Or not?


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jdeluise kirjoitti 17.2.2024 klo 23.07:

Sawfish <[email protected]> writes:

Oh, no. I've never said that, Ice. It's a war and Trump gives them
ammunition all the time. You can see that for sure.

Look. I feel about the same as you do about people like Biden and his
ilk, but just because Trump is his enemy does not make Trump OK, by
any stretch. Trump's got his own brand of shit.

Oddly, I'd be willing to bet you have a lot more in common with Biden
than Trump when it comes to principles, values and beliefs. You're just
so enmeshed in "culture war" you can't admit it.

Why can't you people pick a nominee that can walk & chew gum at the same time...

Someone like Blinken, for example.

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jdeluise kirjoitti 17.2.2024 klo 23.07:> Sawfish <[email protected]> writes:> >> Oh, no. I've never said that, Ice. It's a war and Trump gives them>> ammunition all the time. You can see that for sure.>>>> Look. I feel about the same as you do about

people like Biden and his>> ilk, but just because Trump is his enemy does not make Trump OK, by>> any stretch. Trump's got his own brand of shit.> > Oddly, I'd be willing to bet you have a lot more in common with Biden> than Trump when it comes to
principles, values and beliefs. You're just> so enmeshed in "culture war" you can't admit it.Why can't you people pick a nominee that can walk & chew gum at the same time...Someone like Blinken, for example.


Of course you want Jew.


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On 23.2.2024 17.57, The Iceberg wrote:> On 21/02/2024 17:13, bmoore wrote:>> On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 8:46:11 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:>>> On 2/17/24 7:38 AM, bmoore wrote:>>>> On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 7:33:55 AM UTC-8, *skriptis

wrote:>>>>> bmoore <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r>>>>>> On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 6:53:00 AM UTC-8, *skriptis >>>>>> wrote:> bmoore <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r> > On Friday, >>>>>> February 16, 2024 at 8:26:28 PM UTC-8, Sawfish
wrote:> On 2/16/24 >>>>>> 2:40 PM, bmoore wrote: > > On Friday, February 16, 2024 at >>>>>> 11:01:07 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: > >> On 2/16/24 10:38 AM, bmoore >>>>>> wrote: > >>> >>>>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-
navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/ > >>> > >>> He was 47. > >> It's difficult to see why anyone here should acre about this. > > Well, an autocrat may well have murdered his opposition. Certainly a possibility, given what we know about
Putin.> You're missing my point. You're making this into a moral question that > will never be answered, cannot be answered. > > I'm coming at it from a utilitarian, not moralistic viewpoint. You don't mind that Putin murders people who try to cross him?
I know, it's way over there in Russia, but still...> A birdie told you that Putin killed him? > > Or was it Jewish owned media?Riiight. He must have tripped. Believe whatever you want but don't count on anyone to agree. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/
02/16/canadas-un-ambassador-on-putins-hit-list-this-is-a-regime-that-murders-its-opponents-00142028Rae said Navalny’s death sends a “critical message” to global leaders gathering in Munch for an annual defense conference this weekend that a “
horrendously destructive tyrant remains in charge of a significant government in the world.”Russia’s tyranny is causing enormous hardship to its own people, and to the people of the world, Rae said. “You don’t succeed against tyrants by appeasing
them. You succeed against tyrants by defeating them.”Navalny, 47, who was seen around the world as the most significant domestic political opponent to Putin, is reported to have died in a Siberian prison today.It comes a week ahead of the two-year
anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and a month ahead of the presidential election.Rae said Navalny joins a long list of regime opponents “whose death over which Putin has presided.”Many of those who fell out of Putin’s favor died under
mysterious circumstances. The ambassador made a list: Businessman Boris Berezovsky was found dead in his home in 2013, former deputy prime minister Boris Nemtsov was shot dead near the Kremlin in 2015, former Russian press minister Mikhail Lesin died
from blunt-force trauma in 2015, journalist Anna Politkovskaya was murdered in an elevator in 2006 and secret service defector Alexander Litvinenko was poisoned to death with polonium the same year.More recently, Yevgeny Prigozhin, leader of the Wagner
mercenary group who attempted and failed at a coup, died in a jet plane crash near Moscow.“It’s astonishing the number of people who have been killed,” Rae said “It’s incredible. This is a regime that murders its opponents.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Politico, lol>>>> Twistis, lolouder.>>> OK. I see what's going on...same old, same old. The topic could have>>> been Justin Troudeau wearing plaids and stripes together.>>>>>> I'm slow on the uptake this AM...>>>> Not really, just tired of the lazy
practice of "refuting" an argument >> by dismissing the publication as LOL and leaving it at that, as >> Twistis and others here like to do.> > the publications usually are trash, far left biased trash. The giveaway > is the liars claim this was a
political murder by Putin Putin = crim.> ALL THE WHILE > denying that the prosecution of Trump is clearly politically motivated. Twump = crim.If you have rule of law, crims are persecuted. If no rule of law, crims persecute.-- "And off they went, from
here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- Traditional



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