Pete, I have thought more about this issue since I first chimed in about
a week ago. I came down on the side of baseline (side-to-side) court
coverage being more tiring  as opposed to coming to the net, as in serve
and volley. I later realized that this is based on my level of play and
the era when I played the most.

For me, at that time, coming to the net guaranteed that the point would
be over within 10 sec (often less). I'd face maybe two volleys or get
passed or lobbed.

If my opponent got off a good, deep lob, I'd try to get back on it, and
if this happens it is VERY tiring, more so than a 5-8 stroke
side-to-side rally.

But it did not happen all that much. If they lobbed, often it was not
deep enough to cause much problem. I could just scoot back and take it
on the bounce.

But the way people seem to be playing now, going back for a lob would be
very tiring.

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Sawfish <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r

Pete, I have thought more about this issue since I first chimed in about a week ago. I came down on the side of baseline (side-to-side) court coverage being more tiring as opposed to coming to the net, as in serve and volley. I later realized that

this is based on my level of play and the era when I played the most.For me, at that time, coming to the net guaranteed that the point would be over within 10 sec (often less). I'd face maybe two volleys or get passed or lobbed.If my opponent got off a
good, deep lob, I'd try to get back on it, and if this happens it is VERY tiring, more so than a 5-8 stroke side-to-side rally.But it did not happen all that much. If they lobbed, often it was not deep enough to cause much problem. I could just scoot
back and take it on the bounce.But the way people seem to be playing now, going back for a lob would be very tiring.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Reality is that thing that does not go away when you stop
believing in it."--Sawfish~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Perhaps you would be interested in reading the line about Lacoste and Borotra?


https://archive.org/details/encyclopediaofte00robe/page/35/mode/1up


Bottom screenshot.



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Sawfish <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r

Pete, I have thought more about this issue since I first chimed in about a week ago. I came down on the side of baseline (side-to-side) court coverage being more tiring as opposed to coming to the net, as in serve and volley. I later realized that

this is based on my level of play and the era when I played the most.For me, at that time, coming to the net guaranteed that the point would be over within 10 sec (often less). I'd face maybe two volleys or get passed or lobbed.If my opponent got off a
good, deep lob, I'd try to get back on it, and if this happens it is VERY tiring, more so than a 5-8 stroke side-to-side rally.But it did not happen all that much. If they lobbed, often it was not deep enough to cause much problem. I could just scoot
back and take it on the bounce.But the way people seem to be playing now, going back for a lob would be very tiring.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Reality is that thing that does not go away when you stop
believing in it."--Sawfish~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I believe there is a big difference between an occasional serve and volley where we are okay with the outcome, and being persistent playing all points serve and volley and forcing your will to win. Forcing your will, going for the perfect serve and
covering the serve with the efforts and speed of rushing to the net, volleying, overheads, etc isn't easy.
It's no different than training for short sprints and long distances.
Baseline players use serve and volley as a surprise tactic but they can't keep pushing on their legs to hit great serves on every point and follow up with volleys because they aren't trained for it technically and physically.

It's easier to train for long distances (endurance) at advanced age than to train for sprinting and be at a high level in each I believe.
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jdeluise <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <[email protected]> writes:> I believe there is a big difference between an occasional serve and> volley where we are okay with the outcome, and being persistent> playing all points serve and volley and forcing your will to> win.

Forcing your will, going for the perfect serve and covering the> serve with the efforts and speed of rushing to the net, volleying,> overheads, etc isn't easy. It's no different than training for short> sprints and long distances. Baseline players use
serve and volley as> a surprise tactic but they can't keep pushing on their legs to hit> great serves on every point and follow up with volleys because they> aren't trained for it technically and physically.>> It's easier to train for long distances (
endurance) at advanced age> than to train for sprinting and be at a high level in each I believe.But there are a lot of factors that make serve and volley easier on thebody. For one, you gain some forward momentum from the serve itself.If you launch
yourself into the court you'll gain steps for free.Second, as the server you can gain time with serve placement. Why doyou chip out wide? One reason is to pull the opponent off the court andgain precious time to be in position for the volley.Third, you'
re not changing directions when you rush the net off theserve. Changing directions takes time away from you, making you do morework to regain the lead. And in my opinion it uses a lot more energy.I don't regularly see net rushers making wild sprints to
the net. It'sbuilt in to the service motion. Compare to the way a baseliner runsdown a surprise drop shot.



You know better than Borotra and Lacoste, lol.


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PeteWasLucky <[email protected]> writes:

I believe there is a big difference between an occasional serve and
volley where we are okay with the outcome, and being persistent
playing all points serve and volley and forcing your will to
win. Forcing your will, going for the perfect serve and covering the
serve with the efforts and speed of rushing to the net, volleying,
overheads, etc isn't easy. It's no different than training for short
sprints and long distances. Baseline players use serve and volley as
a surprise tactic but they can't keep pushing on their legs to hit
great serves on every point and follow up with volleys because they
aren't trained for it technically and physically.

It's easier to train for long distances (endurance) at advanced age
than to train for sprinting and be at a high level in each I believe.

But there are a lot of factors that make serve and volley easier on the
body. For one, you gain some forward momentum from the serve itself.
If you launch yourself into the court you'll gain steps for free.

Second, as the server you can gain time with serve placement. Why do
you chip out wide? One reason is to pull the opponent off the court and
gain precious time to be in position for the volley.

Third, you're not changing directions when you rush the net off the
serve. Changing directions takes time away from you, making you do more
work to regain the lead. And in my opinion it uses a lot more energy.
I don't regularly see net rushers making wild sprints to the net. It's
built in to the service motion. Compare to the way a baseliner runs
down a surprise drop shot.

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*skriptis <[email protected]> writes:

You know better than Borotra and Lacoste, lol.

appeal to authority

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On Thursday, 14 September 2023 at 06:54:26 UTC+1, jdeluise wrote:

PeteWasLucky <[email protected]> writes:

I believe there is a big difference between an occasional serve and
volley where we are okay with the outcome, and being persistent
playing all points serve and volley and forcing your will to
win. Forcing your will, going for the perfect serve and covering the
serve with the efforts and speed of rushing to the net, volleying, overheads, etc isn't easy. It's no different than training for short sprints and long distances. Baseline players use serve and volley as
a surprise tactic but they can't keep pushing on their legs to hit
great serves on every point and follow up with volleys because they
aren't trained for it technically and physically.

It's easier to train for long distances (endurance) at advanced age
than to train for sprinting and be at a high level in each I believe.

But there are a lot of factors that make serve and volley easier on the
body. For one, you gain some forward momentum from the serve itself.
If you launch yourself into the court you'll gain steps for free.

yes but that takes a big toll on the legs since they propel you into the court, it's take a lot of effort.

Second, as the server you can gain time with serve placement. Why do
you chip out wide? One reason is to pull the opponent off the court and
gain precious time to be in position for the volley.

again you're relying on a good 1st power serve.

Third, you're not changing directions when you rush the net off the
serve. Changing directions takes time away from you, making you do more
work to regain the lead. And in my opinion it uses a lot more energy.
I don't regularly see net rushers making wild sprints to the net. It's
built in to the service motion. Compare to the way a baseliner runs
down a surprise drop shot.

as PWL was trying to explain changing direction as you describe is a lot slower and something you get used to, it's physically easier that changing direction instantly like with s/v.
Surprise drop shot is bad example cos it more like what a s/v has to deal with on almost every point. Compare an easy 5km Park Run to a 10 x 100m trial sprints, see which one you're more tired of at the end.

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