Alcaraz doesn't hold the racquet with a relaxed wrist, and his swings don't involve any initial twists in his wrist.
He has bulky hand and wrist, and he holds the racquet with major force involving the major arm muscles.
This may seem fine but it's extremely exhausting for the arm and the hand to keep generating pace with muscles instead of the dynamics of loose swings.
I see possible wrist injuries, arm fatigue and cramping.
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On 9.9.2023 17.44, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Alcaraz doesn't hold the racquet with a relaxed wrist, and his swings don't involve any initial twists in his wrist.
He has bulky hand and wrist, and he holds the racquet with major force involving the major arm muscles.
This may seem fine but it's extremely exhausting for the arm and the hand to keep generating pace with muscles instead of the dynamics of loose swings.
I see possible wrist injuries, arm fatigue and cramping.

Very loose, relaxed.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sAnk2tswc_8

A carbon copy of Federer,

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On 9.9.2023 18.46, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Pelle Svanslös <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r

On 9.9.2023 17.44, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Alcaraz doesn't hold the racquet with a relaxed wrist, and his swings don't involve any initial twists in his wrist.> He has bulky hand and wrist, and he holds the racquet with major force involving the major

arm muscles.> This may seem fine but it's extremely exhausting for the arm and the hand to keep generating pace with muscles instead of the dynamics of loose swings.> I see possible wrist injuries, arm fatigue and cramping.Very loose, relaxed.https://www.
youtube.com/shorts/sAnk2tswc_8A carbon copy of Federer,-- "And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- Traditional

It's a tough swing then he meets the ball with racquet face driven by forces generated by the arm and strong grip.

Listen, I really hope I am wrong because if I am right this may impact his career.

There is something that doesn't feel comfortable for me in his forehand swing.

If he is playing with the same swing as Federer then there must be something different in his grip than Federer's that constrained his swing and creates the issue I observe. I will take a deeper look.

This is a free flowing swing btw:

https://youtube.com/shorts/qrNuaN-acSQ?si=mI_p008QZVAM2prB

Like two berries.

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On 9.9.2023 17.44, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Alcaraz doesn't hold the racquet with a relaxed wrist, and his swings don't involve any initial twists in his wrist.> He has bulky hand and wrist, and he holds the racquet with major force involving the major arm

muscles.> This may seem fine but it's extremely exhausting for the arm and the hand to keep generating pace with muscles instead of the dynamics of loose swings.> I see possible wrist injuries, arm fatigue and cramping.Very loose, relaxed.https://www.
youtube.com/shorts/sAnk2tswc_8A carbon copy of Federer,-- "And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- Traditional

It's a tough swing then he meets the ball with racquet face driven by forces generated by the arm and strong grip.

Listen, I really hope I am wrong because if I am right this may impact his career.

There is something that doesn't feel comfortable for me in his forehand swing.

If he is playing with the same swing as Federer then there must be something different in his grip than Federer's that constrained his swing and creates the issue I observe. I will take a deeper look.

This is a free flowing swing btw:

https://youtube.com/shorts/qrNuaN-acSQ?si=mI_p008QZVAM2prB








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On 9.9.2023 18.54, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 9.9.2023 18.46, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Pelle Svanslös <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r

On 9.9.2023 17.44, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Alcaraz doesn't hold the
racquet with a relaxed wrist, and his swings don't involve any
initial twists in his wrist.> He has bulky hand and wrist, and he
holds the racquet with major force involving the major arm muscles.>
This may seem fine but it's extremely exhausting for the arm and the
hand to keep generating pace with muscles instead of the dynamics of
loose swings.> I see possible wrist injuries, arm fatigue and
cramping.Very loose,
relaxed.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sAnk2tswc_8A carbon copy of
Federer,-- "And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear,
and the maiden fair"-- Traditional

It's a tough swing then he meets the ball with racquet face driven by
forces generated by the arm and strong grip.

Listen, I really hope I am wrong because if I am right this may impact
his career.

There is something that doesn't feel comfortable for me in his
forehand swing.

If he is playing with the same swing as Federer then there must be
something different in his grip than Federer's that constrained his
swing and creates the issue I observe. I will take a deeper look.

This is a free flowing swing btw:

https://youtube.com/shorts/qrNuaN-acSQ?si=mI_p008QZVAM2prB

Like two berries.

You can tell those swings apart only by looking at the hairdos.

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Pelle Svansl�s <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r> On 9.9.2023 17.44, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Alcaraz doesn't hold the racquet with a relaxed wrist, and his swings don't involve any initial twists in his wrist.> He has bulky hand and wrist, and he holds

the racquet with major force involving the major arm muscles.> This may seem fine but it's extremely exhausting for the arm and the hand to keep generating pace with muscles instead of the dynamics of loose swings.> I see possible wrist injuries, arm
fatigue and cramping.Very loose, relaxed.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sAnk2tswc_8A carbon copy of Federer,-- "And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- TraditionalIt's a tough swing then he meets the ball with
racquet face driven by forces generated by the arm and strong grip.Listen, I really hope I am wrong because if I am right this may impact his career.There is something that doesn't feel comfortable for me in his forehand swing.If he is playing with the
same swing as Federer then there must be something different in his grip than Federer's that constrained his swing and creates the issue I observe. I will take a deeper look.This is a free flowing swing btw:https://youtube.com/shorts/qrNuaN-acSQ?si=mI_
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This video highlights the issue and the differences between the two

https://youtu.be/VebPedeOKMQ?si=nZS2SSHmHyhrMGTk


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The grips, for example, have nary an effect on their swings

Clearly you aren't listening. The issue isn't about the swing or the quality of the shot, it's about the stress that goes on the wrist as it adjusts and exerts force during the impact.

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On 9/9/23 9:05 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> PeteWasLucky <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r>> Pelle Svansl�s <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r> On 9.9.2023 17.44, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Alcaraz doesn't hold the racquet with a relaxed wrist, and

his swings don't involve any initial twists in his wrist.> He has bulky hand and wrist, and he holds the racquet with major force involving the major arm muscles.> This may seem fine but it's extremely exhausting for the arm and the hand to keep
generating pace with muscles instead of the dynamics of loose swings.> I see possible wrist injuries, arm fatigue and cramping.Very loose, relaxed.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sAnk2tswc_8A carbon copy of Federer,-- "And off they went, from here to
there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- TraditionalIt's a tough swing then he meets the ball with racquet face driven by forces generated by the arm and strong grip.Listen, I really hope I am wrong because if I am right this may impact his
career.There is something that doesn't feel comfortable for me in his forehand swing.If he is playing with the same swing as Federer then there must be something different in his grip than Federer's that constrained his swing and creates the issue I
observe. I will take a deeper look.This is a free flowing swing btw:https://youtube.com/shorts/qrNuaN-acSQ?si=mI_p008QZVAM2prB-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html> This video highlights the
issue and the differences between the two>> https://youtu.be/VebPedeOKMQ?si=nZS2SSHmHyhrMGTk>>I think that the visuals (side-by-side frames; sync'ed motion; freeze frame) was very very good. I think the coach narrating it is a bit of a bullshit artist. E.
g., identifying, and even stressing, that the off-hand should be as high as Alcaraz's seems pointless.The two biggest differences I see are: a) grip (the coach does a good job explaining this); and b) Alcaraz's upper body remains more erect throughout
the swing than Fed's. Fed seems more flexible, looser.I also think that the two balls hit to Alc and Fed were of differing qualities: one was higher than the other, one seemed faster, and one was an FH and the other was BH. My guess is that the coach's
primary concern when selecting two swings to put side-by-side was that both Fed and Alc had very similar body positions, making for a useful video comparison side-by-side. He cared less about the qualities of the ball delivered to them (height, speed,
spin diff between BH and FH), and basically talked his way around those differences as if they didn't matter to the relative swings.But GREAT to see those two synced up, side-by-side. Very instructive.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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This video shows the angles better.
It's more of front impact hit for Alcaraz

https://youtube.com/shorts/QhT0_0BsX0k?si=nrgAlmAHT07eKdo_

While it's more rotational swing for Federer.


https://youtube.com/shorts/qwKbdntIbRQ?si=zaNcCcAhrn3tFNQA



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On 9.9.2023 21.09, PeteWasLucky wrote:

The grips, for example, have nary an effect on their swings

Clearly you aren't listening. The issue isn't about the swing or the quality of the shot, it's about the stress that goes on the wrist as it adjusts and exerts force during the impact.

I am. I am. You said "Alcatraz keep generating pace with muscles instead
of the dynamics of loose swings". Both the guy in your vid and I say the
same thing. That Alcatraz's swing is loose. This looseness is essential
to make the swing use the dynamics as it does. Some things don't happen
if you're tense, or if you're out to muscle stuff.

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Sawfish <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r> On 9/9/23 9:05 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> PeteWasLucky <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r>> Pelle Svanslös <[email protected]> Wrote in message:r> On 9.9.2023 17.44, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Alcaraz

doesn't hold the racquet with a relaxed wrist, and his swings don't involve any initial twists in his wrist.> He has bulky hand and wrist, and he holds the racquet with major force involving the major arm muscles.> This may seem fine but it's extremely
exhausting for the arm and the hand to keep generating pace with muscles instead of the dynamics of loose swings.> I see possible wrist injuries, arm fatigue and cramping.Very loose, relaxed.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sAnk2tswc_8A carbon copy of
Federer,-- "And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- TraditionalIt's a tough swing then he meets the ball with racquet face driven by forces generated by the arm and strong grip.Listen, I really hope I am wrong
because if I am right this may impact his career.There is something that doesn't feel comfortable for me in his forehand swing.If he is playing with the same swing as Federer then there must be something different in his grip than Federer's that
constrained his swing and creates the issue I observe. I will take a deeper look.This is a free flowing swing btw:https://youtube.com/shorts/qrNuaN-acSQ?si=mI_p008QZVAM2prB-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/
usenet/index.html> This video highlights the issue and the differences between the two>> https://youtu.be/VebPedeOKMQ?si=nZS2SSHmHyhrMGTk>>I think that the visuals (side-by-side frames; sync'ed motion; freeze frame) was very very good. I think the coach
narrating it is a bit of a bullshit artist. E.g., identifying, and even stressing, that the off-hand should be as high as Alcaraz's seems pointless.The two biggest differences I see are: a) grip (the coach does a good job explaining this); and b) Alcaraz'
s upper body remains more erect throughout the swing than Fed's. Fed seems more flexible, looser.I also think that the two balls hit to Alc and Fed were of differing qualities: one was higher than the other, one seemed faster, and one was an FH and the
other was BH. My guess is that the coach's primary concern when selecting two swings to put side-by-side was that both Fed and Alc had very similar body positions, making for a useful video comparison side-by-side. He cared less about the qualities of
the ball delivered to them (height, speed, spin diff between BH and FH), and basically talked his way around those differences as if they didn't matter to the relative swings.But GREAT to see those two synced up, side-by-side. Very instructive.-- ~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"He who talks the talk must also walk the walk." --Sawfish~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~This video shows the angles better.It's more of front
impact hit for Alcarazhttps://youtube.com/shorts/QhT0_0BsX0k?si=nrgAlmAHT07eKdo_While it's more rotational swing for Federer.https://youtube.com/shorts/qwKbdntIbRQ?si=zaNcCcAhrn3tFNQA-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.
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Alcaraz reminds me of Dementieva compared to Federer.

Clearly he's interior.


https://youtu.be/mfVBLFcQko4?si=vsjVBeO0FOF_EZYC
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