All matches Saturday 15:30. 2. Bundesliga play their matches Sunday.

Sat
Leipzig - Stuttgart
Bulls can get conference league if Mainz slip up. 3-1

Dortmund - Kiel
BVB will get CL with a 2+ goal win. A draw could also do it (and will
give EL). At home against a small team in the final round - when has
that ever gone wrong?
Kiel MUST score to remain the only BL team to score in every away match
in their BL history. 3-1

Hoffenheim - Bayern
Hoff could still go into the playoff if the other heim makes up 3 point
and 6+ goals. 2-4

Heidenheim - Werder
Werder could win 10-0 and it still wouldn't be enough goals for the
conference. 3-2

Freiburg - Frankfurt
Match of the day. Winner gets CL - Loser gets eaten by Dortmund. 3-2

Augsburg - Union
Pointless game. 2-1

Mainz - Leverkusen
Linguistic question: In Danish we have the slick phrase "sidste mand
lukker og slukker" - literally "last one to leave switches off (the
lights) and locks up". Is there an equivalent phrase is English? It
would be relevant for Leverkusen.
2-1

Gladbach - Wolfsburg
Pointless part 2. 2-2

Pauli - Bochum
Pointless part 3. 2-0

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Jesper Lauridsen <[email protected]> wrote:

All matches Saturday 15:30. 2. Bundesliga play their matches Sunday.

Sat
Leipzig - Stuttgart
Bulls can get conference league if Mainz slip up. 3-1

2-0

Dortmund - Kiel
BVB will get CL with a 2+ goal win. A draw could also do it (and will
give EL). At home against a small team in the final round - when has
that ever gone wrong?
Kiel MUST score to remain the only BL team to score in every away match
in their BL history. 3-1

4-1

Hoffenheim - Bayern
Hoff could still go into the playoff if the other heim makes up 3 point
and 6+ goals. 2-4

2-2

Heidenheim - Werder
Werder could win 10-0 and it still wouldn't be enough goals for the conference. 3-2

4-2

Freiburg - Frankfurt
Match of the day. Winner gets CL - Loser gets eaten by Dortmund. 3-2

1-1

Augsburg - Union
Pointless game. 2-1

3-3

Mainz - Leverkusen
Linguistic question: In Danish we have the slick phrase "sidste mand
lukker og slukker" - literally "last one to leave switches off (the
lights) and locks up". Is there an equivalent phrase is English? It
would be relevant for Leverkusen.
2-1

Obviously the saying exists in German as well
(der letzte macht das Licht aus)

2-2

Gladbach - Wolfsburg
Pointless part 2. 2-2

1-3

Pauli - Bochum
Pointless part 3. 2-0

4-1


Ciao,
Werner

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On 2025-05-16 01:09, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

All matches Saturday 15:30. 2. Bundesliga play their matches Sunday.

Sat
Leipzig - Stuttgart
Bulls can get conference league if Mainz slip up. 3-1

2-1

Dortmund - Kiel
BVB will get CL with a 2+ goal win. A draw could also do it (and will
give EL). At home against a small team in the final round - when has
that ever gone wrong?
Kiel MUST score to remain the only BL team to score in every away match
in their BL history. 3-1

3-0

Hoffenheim - Bayern
Hoff could still go into the playoff if the other heim makes up 3 point
and 6+ goals. 2-4

1-4

Heidenheim - Werder
Werder could win 10-0 and it still wouldn't be enough goals for the conference. 3-2

2-2

Freiburg - Frankfurt
Match of the day. Winner gets CL - Loser gets eaten by Dortmund. 3-2

1-2

Augsburg - Union
Pointless game. 2-1

2-0

Mainz - Leverkusen
Linguistic question: In Danish we have the slick phrase "sidste mand
lukker og slukker" - literally "last one to leave switches off (the
lights) and locks up". Is there an equivalent phrase is English? It
would be relevant for Leverkusen.
2-1

1-2

Gladbach - Wolfsburg
Pointless part 2. 2-2

1-1

Pauli - Bochum
Pointless part 3. 2-0

2-1

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In article <1006obi$3l7j0$[email protected]>,
Jesper Lauridsen <[email protected]> wrote:

All matches Saturday 15:30. 2. Bundesliga play their matches Sunday.

Sat
Leipzig - Stuttgart
Bulls can get conference league if Mainz slip up. 3-1

Dortmund - Kiel
BVB will get CL with a 2+ goal win. A draw could also do it (and will
give EL). At home against a small team in the final round - when has
that ever gone wrong?
Kiel MUST score to remain the only BL team to score in every away match
in their BL history. 3-1

Hoffenheim - Bayern
Hoff could still go into the playoff if the other heim makes up 3 point
and 6+ goals. 2-4

Heidenheim - Werder
Werder could win 10-0 and it still wouldn't be enough goals for the >conference. 3-2

Freiburg - Frankfurt
Match of the day. Winner gets CL - Loser gets eaten by Dortmund. 3-2

Augsburg - Union
Pointless game. 2-1

Mainz - Leverkusen
Linguistic question: In Danish we have the slick phrase "sidste mand
lukker og slukker" - literally "last one to leave switches off (the
lights) and locks up". Is there an equivalent phrase is English? It
would be relevant for Leverkusen.
2-1

Gladbach - Wolfsburg
Pointless part 2. 2-2

Pauli - Bochum
Pointless part 3. 2-0

All games 2 -2 and 50 red cards fly!
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On 2025-05-16 3:09 a.m., Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

All matches Saturday 15:30. 2. Bundesliga play their matches Sunday.

THis is it, football is over after this, nothing until September.

Sat
Leipzig - Stuttgart
Bulls can get conference league if Mainz slip up. 3-1

I guess you have to go with WWt for this match, I mean CWT, I dunno,
but but Leipzig have to win to even hope of Konfrenzliga
3-2

Dortmund - Kiel
BVB will get CL with a 2+ goal win. A draw could also do it (and will
give EL). At home against a small team in the final round - when has
that ever gone wrong?
Kiel MUST score to remain the only BL team to score in every away match
in their BL history. 3-1

The New pretenders always win these matches
3-2

Hoffenheim - Bayern
Hoff could still go into the playoff if the other heim makes up 3 point
and 6+ goals. 2-4

If the Hoff loses to Bayern, I will never drink again!

3-2

Heidenheim - Werder
Werder could win 10-0 and it still wouldn't be enough goals for the conference. 3-2

Werder wins this
2-3

Freiburg - Frankfurt
Match of the day. Winner gets CL - Loser gets eaten by Dortmund. 3-2

Freiburgo blow it with a draw
2-2

Augsburg - Union
Pointless game. 2-1

arent they all?

1-1

Mainz - Leverkusen
Linguistic question: In Danish we have the slick phrase "sidste mand
lukker og slukker" - literally "last one to leave switches off (the
lights) and locks up". Is there an equivalent phrase is English? It
would be relevant for Leverkusen.
2-1

THe Pretenders have lost everything, coach and players and
prescriptions, all of that stuff is gone. I know Alonso is going to
Real and Frimpong to Liver pool but I dont want Wirtz to go to Bayern
3-2

Gladbach - Wolfsburg
Pointless part 2. 2-2

Really, who cares

2-2

Pauli - Bochum
Pointless part 3. 2-0

Oh wait dont St pauli need to win?

2-1

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On Fri, 16 May 2025 7:09:36 +0000, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

All matches Saturday 15:30. 2. Bundesliga play their matches Sunday.

Cool kids are disappointed.

Sat
Leipzig - Stuttgart
Bulls can get conference league if Mainz slip up. 3-1

2-1

Dortmund - Kiel

3-1

Hoffenheim - Bayern

1-3

Heidenheim - Werder

1-2

Freiburg - Frankfurt

Algo gonna algo: 1-2

Augsburg - Union

Beach football. 2-1

Mainz - Leverkusen

1-2

Gladbach - Wolfsburg

Beach football. 3-2

Pauli - Bochum

Pauli stays up. They will be my favorite Hamburg-based team in the
Bundesliga next year: 2-1

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Last Day of football.

BvB gets an early penal and right now would make UCL, but lots of time left.

The Hoff are still safe, for now, but lotsa time left.


On 2025-05-17 7:22 a.m., Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 7:09:36 +0000, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

All matches Saturday 15:30. 2. Bundesliga play their matches Sunday.

Cool kids are disappointed.

Sat
Leipzig - Stuttgart
Bulls can get conference league if Mainz slip up. 3-1

2-1

Dortmund - Kiel

3-1

Hoffenheim - Bayern

1-3

Heidenheim - Werder

1-2

Freiburg - Frankfurt

Algo gonna algo: 1-2

Augsburg - Union

Beach football. 2-1

Mainz - Leverkusen

1-2

Gladbach - Wolfsburg

Beach football. 3-2

Pauli - Bochum

Pauli stays up. They will be my favorite Hamburg-based team in the
Bundesliga next year: 2-1

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On 2025-05-17 9:40 a.m., Binder Dundat wrote:

Last Day of football.

BvB gets an early penal and right now would make UCL, but lots of time
left.

The Hoff are still safe, for now, but lotsa time left.

Half time

Late Frankfurt goal, knocks Freiburg out of the UCL spot and BvB back
in, but 10 man Kiel giving BvB enough problems that they can screw it up

On 2025-05-17 7:22 a.m., Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 7:09:36 +0000, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

All matches Saturday 15:30. 2. Bundesliga play their matches Sunday.

Cool kids are disappointed.

Sat
Leipzig - Stuttgart
Bulls can get conference league if Mainz slip up. 3-1

2-1

Dortmund - Kiel

3-1

Hoffenheim - Bayern

1-3

Heidenheim - Werder

1-2

Freiburg - Frankfurt

Algo gonna algo: 1-2

Augsburg - Union

Beach football. 2-1

Mainz - Leverkusen

1-2

Gladbach - Wolfsburg

Beach football. 3-2

Pauli - Bochum

Pauli stays up. They will be my favorite Hamburg-based team in the
Bundesliga next year: 2-1

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So that is it, no more real football left until next season. May as
well talk about the Ice Hockey.

How bout those Leafs eh!


Anyhow, The Hoff avoids relegation, Bayern, Bayer, BVB and Eintracht
make UCL.

Mainz and Freiburg make Europa and I think the winner of the Pokal also
gets a Europa spot.


On 2025-05-17 10:36 a.m., Binder Dundat wrote:

On 2025-05-17 9:40 a.m., Binder Dundat wrote:

Last Day of football.

BvB gets an early penal and right now would make UCL, but lots of time
left.

The Hoff are still safe, for now, but lotsa time left.

Half time

Late Frankfurt goal, knocks Freiburg out of the UCL spot and BvB back
in, but 10 man Kiel giving BvB enough problems that they can screw it up

On 2025-05-17 7:22 a.m., Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Fri, 16 May 2025 7:09:36 +0000, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

All matches Saturday 15:30. 2. Bundesliga play their matches Sunday.

Cool kids are disappointed.

Sat
Leipzig - Stuttgart
Bulls can get conference league if Mainz slip up. 3-1

2-1

Dortmund - Kiel

3-1

Hoffenheim - Bayern

1-3

Heidenheim - Werder

1-2

Freiburg - Frankfurt

Algo gonna algo: 1-2

Augsburg - Union

Beach football. 2-1

Mainz - Leverkusen

1-2

Gladbach - Wolfsburg

Beach football. 3-2

Pauli - Bochum

Pauli stays up. They will be my favorite Hamburg-based team in the
Bundesliga next year: 2-1

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Binder Dundat <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2025-05-16 3:09 a.m., Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

Mainz - Leverkusen
Linguistic question: In Danish we have the slick phrase "sidste mand
lukker og slukker" - literally "last one to leave switches off (the
lights) and locks up". Is there an equivalent phrase is English? It
would be relevant for Leverkusen.
2-1

THe Pretenders have lost everything, coach and players and
prescriptions, all of that stuff is gone. I know Alonso is going to
Real and Frimpong to Liver pool but I dont want Wirtz to go to Bayern

I personally believe that you’re going to enjoy him in
the WWEPL. Man City not winning a trophy this
season will open their purse strings wide.

Ciao,
Werner

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On 16/05/2025 23.17, Binder Dundat wrote:

If the Hoff loses to Bayern, I will never drink again!

3-2

Congratulations on 2 days sober!

Leipzig - Stuttgart 2-3 (4)
Dortmund - Kiel 3-0 (22)
Hoffenheim - Bayern 0-4 (14)
Heidenheim - Werder 1-4 (9)
Freiburg - Frankfurt 1-3 (11)
Augsburg - Union 1-2 (2)
Mainz - Leverkusen 2-2 (16)
Gladbach - Wolfsburg 0-1 (5)
Pauli - Bochum 0-2 (1)

Only significant change on the last day was Dortmund overtaking Freiburg
as expected. Kovac hailed as genious for finishing above Freiburg and
Mainz with BVB... How bad was Sahin?

Leipzig misses out on Europe (Salzburg could still make CL).

Kiel and Bochum replaced by Köln and HSV.
Heidenheim to play Elversberg for survival Thu & Mon.

FM 20
MH 19
Werner 16
Binder 10
Jesper 10
Doc 9

Werder gives the machine another win. Just one little goal for poor
Heidenheim would given MH a run away victory.

Red Jersey
FM 720
Jesper 674
MH 665
Werner 647
Binder 533
Doc 459

Stage wins
FM 10
MH 7
Jesper 7
Binder 5
Werner 4
Doc 4

Hinrunde
Jesper 368
FM 368
Werner 362
MH 357
Binder 287
Doc 200

Rückrunde
FM 352
MH 308
Jesper 306
Werner 285
Doc 259
Binder 246

Shouldn't scores be higher in later part of the season?

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Jesper Lauridsen <[email protected]> wrote:

On 16/05/2025 23.17, Binder Dundat wrote:

If the Hoff loses to Bayern, I will never drink again!

3-2

Congratulations on 2 days sober!

Leipzig - Stuttgart 2-3 (4)
Dortmund - Kiel 3-0 (22)
Hoffenheim - Bayern 0-4 (14)
Heidenheim - Werder 1-4 (9)
Freiburg - Frankfurt 1-3 (11)
Augsburg - Union 1-2 (2)
Mainz - Leverkusen 2-2 (16)
Gladbach - Wolfsburg 0-1 (5)
Pauli - Bochum 0-2 (1)

Only significant change on the last day was Dortmund overtaking Freiburg
as expected. Kovac hailed as genious for finishing above Freiburg and
Mainz with BVB... How bad was Sahin?

Leipzig misses out on Europe (Salzburg could still make CL).

Unlikely though. Still, Salzburg in Conference League
could be a blessing in disguise for the Austrian
coefficient.

Kiel and Bochum replaced by Köln and HSV.
Heidenheim to play Elversberg for survival Thu & Mon.

Heidi v Jenny, so to speak

FM 20
MH 19
Werner 16
Binder 10
Jesper 10
Doc 9

Werder gives the machine another win. Just one little goal for poor Heidenheim would given MH a run away victory.

Red Jersey
FM 720
Jesper 674
MH 665
Werner 647
Binder 533
Doc 459

Stage wins
FM 10
MH 7
Jesper 7
Binder 5
Werner 4
Doc 4

Hinrunde
Jesper 368
FM 368
Werner 362
MH 357
Binder 287
Doc 200

Rückrunde
FM 352
MH 308
Jesper 306
Werner 285
Doc 259
Binder 246

Shouldn't scores be higher in later part of the season?

Good point. How has it been in the last seasons?

Perhaps our collective biases are shaped too much
by the results of the previous year, which will
deviate from reality on the pitch the longer the
season goes.


Ciao,
Werner

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On Mon, 19 May 2025 7:36:24 +0000, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:

Red Jersey
FM 720
Jesper 674
MH 665
Werner 647
Binder 533
Doc 459

Stage wins
FM 10
MH 7
Jesper 7
Binder 5
Werner 4
Doc 4

Up the Algo! I wonder how the algo would have fared if it had stuck
strictly to only 2-1 scores for the favored team (trying to convince
myself that my semi-random human intervention may have made a
difference)

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On 2025-05-22 14:25, Werner Pichler wrote:

On 22.05.2025 21:22, Werner Pichler wrote:

On 19.05.2025 10:20, Werner Pichler wrote:

Jesper Lauridsen <[email protected]> wrote:

On 16/05/2025 23.17, Binder Dundat wrote:

If the Hoff loses to Bayern, I will never drink again!

3-2

Congratulations on 2 days sober!

Leipzig - Stuttgart   2-3 (4)
Dortmund - Kiel       3-0 (22)
Hoffenheim - Bayern   0-4 (14)
Heidenheim - Werder   1-4 (9)
Freiburg - Frankfurt  1-3 (11)
Augsburg - Union      1-2 (2)
Mainz - Leverkusen    2-2 (16)
Gladbach - Wolfsburg  0-1 (5)
Pauli - Bochum        0-2 (1)

Only significant change on the last day was Dortmund overtaking
Freiburg
as expected. Kovac hailed as genious for finishing above Freiburg and
Mainz with BVB... How bad was Sahin?

Leipzig misses out on Europe (Salzburg could still make CL).

Unlikely though. Still, Salzburg in Conference League
could be a blessing in disguise for the Austrian
coefficient.

Kiel and Bochum replaced by Köln and HSV.
Heidenheim to play Elversberg for survival Thu & Mon.

Heidi v Jenny, so to speak

Jenny Elversberg 2-0 up at half-time of the first leg, VARobots took
away a goal from Heidi just before the break.

Saarland back in the Bundesliga after 32 years? If Spurs can win a
title anything is possible.


Honestly, what _did_ happen to Wanner?

Came on in the 2nd half and played pretty well.

2-2 FT. Everything to play for next Monday.

Would Elversberg be the 4th team (ever) from the Saarland, after FC Saarbrucken, FC Homburg, and Borussia Neunkirchen ?

Ciao,
Werner

Ciao,
Werner

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On 19/05/2025 10.20, Werner Pichler wrote:

Jesper Lauridsen <[email protected]> wrote:

Leipzig misses out on Europe (Salzburg could still make CL).

Unlikely though. Still, Salzburg in Conference League
could be a blessing in disguise for the Austrian
coefficient.

If I read the table right, they need to win their own game against
Rapid, Sturm not to lose against Wolfsberger, and Linz to get a point
against Austria. The last one is against the odds, but the other two aren't.

So, 30% chance?

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On 23/05/2025 01.07, MH wrote:

On 2025-05-22 14:25, Werner Pichler wrote:

On 22.05.2025 21:22, Werner Pichler wrote:

On 19.05.2025 10:20, Werner Pichler wrote:

Jesper Lauridsen <[email protected]> wrote:

Heidenheim to play Elversberg for survival Thu & Mon.

Heidi v Jenny, so to speak

Jenny Elversberg 2-0 up at half-time of the first leg, VARobots took
away a goal from Heidi just before the break.

Saarland back in the Bundesliga after 32 years? If Spurs can win a
title anything is possible.

2-2 FT. Everything to play for next Monday.

Elversberg - Heidenheim 1-2. The fairytale is over - or continues,
depending on perspective.

Would Elversberg be the 4th team (ever) from the Saarland, after FC Saarbrucken, FC Homburg, and Borussia Neunkirchen ?

Saarbrucken had the chance to promoted to 2. Bundesliga via a playoff
against Braunschweig. Lost 0-2, but "won" 2-0 away to take it to extra
time. Here Braunschweig won 2-0 again and remains in the league.

In the 3. Liga promotion playoff, TSV Havelse prevailed over Lok Leipzig
in extra time. This is the second time Havelse is promoted via this
playoff - and the second time Lok Leipzig fails.

In the current format of rotating playoffs, the record of Regionalliga
Nordost is now 0-4. Regionalliga Nord is 4-1.

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