Surely if both England and Spain play to their true potential they
should each win comfortably?


RM

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Real_Mardin wrote:

Surely if both England and Spain play to their true potential they
should each win comfortably?

Depends what you think their "true potential" is. If England's true
potential is what they have shown in the first three matches, then no.
And, after watching Switzerland-Italy, may we should reassess downward
what Spain's true potential is...

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25 minutes- well, well. Slovakia play Schranz through and he puts
Slovakia 1-0 up.

I have to say, I thought the player who set up Schranz looked marginally
off side when he received the ball, but the goal check people seem
content and on balance of play Slovakia thoroughly deserve their lead.


RM

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95 minutes, England after having all the pressure in the second half
finally equalise when Bellingham volleys in from a flick.

Deserved on the balance of play but I really don’t understand where the
ref found six minutes of injury time from, apart from the VAR for
Foden’s disallowed ‘equaliser” there have barely been any stoppages. Our collective estimate watching it here was about three minutes of injury
time would have been about right.


RM

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91 minutes (in extra times) - Kane heads in to put the team who as far
as I can tell should have been eliminated from the Euros at 93 minutes
2-1 up.


I’m not saying they made a mistake but I think it would help people understand what happened here (most importantly the unfortunate
Slovakians) if the officials after the match account for every second of additional time added on.


RM

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FT:

England 2 - Slovakia 1 (AET)


Difficult to say whether this was a just result.

England 100% deserved an equaliser.

Whether they should have been given so much injury time to find the
equaliser I’m genuinely not sure.

My condolences to Slovakia.


RM

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In article <[email protected]>,
Real_Mardin <[email protected]> wrote:

FT:

England 2 - Slovakia 1 (AET)

Difficult to say whether this was a just result.

England 100% deserved an equaliser.

Whether they should have been given so much injury time to find the
equaliser I’m genuinely not sure.

My condolences to Slovakia.

RM

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The Doctor wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
Real_Mardin <[email protected]> wrote:

FT:

England 2 - Slovakia 1 (AET)

Difficult to say whether this was a just result.

England 100% deserved an equaliser.

Whether they should have been given so much injury time to
find the equaliser I’m genuinely not sure.

Bench all the Man U, Man C, Liverpool, Everton, Aston Villa
based players for the next game.

Well, I wouldn't go that far... but I'd certainly start with
Cole Palmer instead of A.N.Other. England's midfield is too
slow, although it could also be Gareth Southgate's 'tactics'
that's to blame. He's not exactly the adventurous type.

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Real_Mardin wrote:

FT:

England 2 - Slovakia 1 (AET)

Difficult to say whether this was a just result.

England 100% deserved an equaliser.

Whether they should have been given so much injury time to
find the equaliser I’m genuinely not sure.

I thought Slovakia should have been 2-0 up after ten minutes,
they created some great chances early on... and with some
composure maybe they could have added another in the second half
when Walker blindly passed to a busy-looking-somewhere-else John
Stones with Pickford way out of his goal! So Slovakia had their
chances.

England OTOH did fuck all for most of the game... until it
REALLY mattered!!!

My condolences to Slovakia.

Sit back and invite pressure often means you get pressure!
Slovakia needed to take their chances when they were on top.
Quality counted in the end, but that's all Slovakia were really
missing was that bit of quality up front. They done well but
they'll probably feel disappointed tonight.

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On 2024-06-30 12:41, Real_Mardin wrote:

FT:

England 2 - Slovakia 1 (AET)

Difficult to say whether this was a just result.

England 100% deserved an equaliser.

Whether they should have been given so much injury time to find the
equaliser I’m genuinely not sure.

I have no problem with the injury time/time added, which is usually
nowhere near enough to compensate for all the stoppages.

Slovakia made 5 subs in the game, and there were several stoppages for injuries. Also a VAR review of Foden's disallowed goal.

Though it is time that football took a leaf out of Rugby's book in terms
of time-keeping. Independent time keeping, visible to all. Ref can ask
for time to be stopped for injuries and reviews etc. After the buzzer
goes, the game ends when the ball goes out of play, except for a corner.

My condolences to Slovakia.

RM

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FT:


Spain 4 - Georgia 1


Spain added a fourth with Olmo.

Ultimately Georgia were a team who finished fourth in their qualifying
group and who beat a reserve team to advance to this match.



RM

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On 51 minutes Fabian Ruiz headed in at the far post to give Spain a 2-1
lead.

71 minutes played.

Spain dominating possession now but Georgia still look a threat on the
counter attack.


RM

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74 minutes, Spain break away with Williams, he beats his marker and
shoots into the top corner to put Spain 3-1 up.


RM

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MH wrote:

On 2024-06-30 12:41, Real_Mardin wrote:

FT:

England 2 - Slovakia 1 (AET)


Difficult to say whether this was a just result.

England 100% deserved an equaliser.

Whether they should have been given so much injury time to find the
equaliser I’m genuinely not sure.

I have no problem with the injury time/time added, which is usually
nowhere near enough to compensate for all the stoppages.

Slovakia made 5 subs in the game, and there were several stoppages for injuries. Also a VAR review of Foden's disallowed goal.

Though it is time that football took a leaf out of Rugby's book in terms
of time-keeping. Independent time keeping, visible to all. Ref can ask
for time to be stopped for injuries and reviews etc. After the buzzer
goes, the game ends when the ball goes out of play, except for a corner.

I have to say I thought the Foden VAR was the only substantial stoppage
in the second half. I'm surprised said VAR and the substitutions would
amount to six minutes injury time, but then I wasn't accounting for
every second as I watched the match. I do note the Slovakia manager has
made some comments to the effect that not enough injury time was added
on at the end of extra time (when his team were behind), which is
another interesting angle.


RM

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MH wrote:

I have no problem with the injury time/time added, which is
usually nowhere near enough to compensate for all the
stoppages.

Usually it's not even close... I saw a stat a while back that
said (in the Premier League) on average the ball was in play for
only 56 minutes out of the regulation 90. That's not even an
hour of actual football.

The main problem is the transparency on how an individual
referee decides what to add-on time for. It's a subjective call
and each referee is different.

Though it is time that football took a leaf out of Rugby's
book in terms of time-keeping. Independent time keeping,
visible to all. Ref can ask for time to be stopped for
injuries and reviews etc. After the buzzer goes, the game
ends when the ball goes out of play, except for a corner.

Yes... and every football stadium should have jumbotrons built
in to the stands.

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Real_Mardin wrote:

MH wrote:

On 2024-06-30 12:41, Real_Mardin wrote:

Whether they should have been given so much injury time to
find the equaliser I’m genuinely not sure.

I have no problem with the injury time/time added, which is
usually nowhere near enough to compensate for all the
stoppages.

Slovakia made 5 subs in the game, and there were several
stoppages for injuries. Also a VAR review of Foden's
disallowed goal.

Though it is time that football took a leaf out of Rugby's
book in terms of time-keeping. Independent time keeping,
visible to all. Ref can ask for time to be stopped for
injuries and reviews etc. After the buzzer goes, the game
ends when the ball goes out of play, except for a corner.

I have to say I thought the Foden VAR was the only substantial
stoppage in the second half. I'm surprised said VAR and the
substitutions would amount to six minutes injury time, but
then I wasn't accounting for every second as I watched the
match. I do note the Slovakia manager has made some comments
to the effect that not enough injury time was added on at the
end of extra time (when his team were behind), which is
another interesting angle.

They're supposed to add 30 seconds for each substitution, so
there was always going to be a good few minutes added on as
there were five substitutions, plus a delay for the Foden VAR
call, as well as some injuries (IIRC Trippier was down for a
bit), plus the usual stops/starts and any wasting of time that
the referee actually deemed to be time wasting... that sort of
thing is very subjective.

Central time-keeping should be the way to go so that everybody
is on the same page re match duration. A game would then end at
90 minutes because the clock has been stopped for all the main
stoppages during the match.

It shouldn't be rocket science to implement something like this,
but IFAB and FIFA would rather spend their time on laws to
penalise off-side toenails and fingernail brushing hand-ball
calls...

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