Sorry but I'm not going to reply to a thread called Uefa Farmersliga
Semi finals .
So, it looks like the miracle of last year's Man City was short lived.
Bacl to business as usual. Real know how to win big games and get to
the upper stages and possibly win it again. Ancelotti is a pragmatist
who pretty often wins against stronger teams, and all the rest.
I haven't seen the quarter against City but I hear City dominated,
created chances but couldn't score. Sounds familiar. Looks like
they're quickly turning into Barcelona 2, under Guardiola. Hopefully
it won't be like this and Pep finds a way to make them win again, for
the good of football. But this year it's over.
As for the game, it was so-so. The result seemed fair. I have to say, absolutely brilliant pass by Kroos at the first goal.
FF wrote:
As for the game, it was so-so. The result seemed fair. I
have to say, absolutely brilliant pass by Kroos at the first
goal.
Of course this refers to the first semi-final, Bayern - Real 2
- 2.
As for the game, it was so-so. The result seemed fair. I have to say, absolutely brilliant pass by Kroos at the first goal.
FF wrote:
As for the game, it was so-so. The result seemed fair. I have to
say, absolutely brilliant pass by Kroos at the first goal.
Second semi looked a bit better. Some neat technical and speedy field
play on both sides. A few unbelievable misses, again on both sides.
Borussia won 1 - 0 but PSG should be slight favorites in the return
leg. Likewise Real, of course. Let's see. The germans are far from
being written off and they always can produce surprises. (It's a very
good year for german teams in the UCL anyway.)
FF wrote:
FF wrote:
As for the game, it was so-so. The result seemed fair. I have to
say, absolutely brilliant pass by Kroos at the first goal.
Second semi looked a bit better. Some neat technical and speedy field
play on both sides. A few unbelievable misses, again on both sides.
Borussia won 1 - 0 but PSG should be slight favorites in the return
leg. Likewise Real, of course. Let's see. The germans are far from
being written off and they always can produce surprises. (It's a very
good year for german teams in the UCL anyway.)
Looks like the first german team made it to the final. In a few hours
we'll see if there is a second one too.
But it was a lucky win. If just 2 of those many woodwork hits by PSG
had gone in, we'd probably have a different conversation. Besides, I
had the impression that at least one of their penalty calls could have
been deserved (not very clear though and I don't have time any more to
look at it in detail).
On 2024-05-08 11:20, FF wrote:
But it was a lucky win. If just 2 of those many woodwork hits by PSG
had gone in, we'd probably have a different conversation. Besides, I
had the impression that at least one of their penalty calls could
have been deserved (not very clear though and I don't have time any
more to look at it in detail).
I think Mbappe really was held back enough for a penalty to be given.
The other one may well have been outside the area (which is what the
ref decided) and anyway was a dive in my book - player sought contact
with Hummels's leg and threw himself dramatically to the ground.
FF wrote:
Looks like the first german team made it to the final. In a few hours
we'll see if there is a second one too.
But it was a lucky win. If just 2 of those many woodwork hits by PSG
had gone in, we'd probably have a different conversation. Besides, I
had the impression that at least one of their penalty calls could have
been deserved (not very clear though and I don't have time any more to
look at it in detail).
It wasn't to be.
Excellent game.
Both teams fought well. In the end the masters of the comeback turned
the result around again.
It was also a demonstration of the video ref. They had 3 or 4 difficult
calls to make and got all of them right. This would definitely never
have happened before the video ref. (I'd like to see Blatter come and
tell us again that football needs a human face. And many more others.)
I have to say, in the UCL the refereeing finally seems to be more or
less where it should be. Unlike what I saw at the World Cup.
Looks like the first german team made it to the final. In a few hours
we'll see if there is a second one too.
But it was a lucky win. If just 2 of those many woodwork hits by PSG
had gone in, we'd probably have a different conversation. Besides, I
had the impression that at least one of their penalty calls could have
been deserved (not very clear though and I don't have time any more to
look at it in detail).
FF wrote:
FF wrote:
Looks like the first german team made it to the final. In a few
hours we'll see if there is a second one too.
But it was a lucky win. If just 2 of those many woodwork hits by
PSG had gone in, we'd probably have a different conversation.
Besides, I had the impression that at least one of their penalty
calls could have been deserved (not very clear though and I don't
have time any more to look at it in detail).
It wasn't to be.
Excellent game.
Both teams fought well. In the end the masters of the comeback
turned the result around again.
It was also a demonstration of the video ref. They had 3 or 4
difficult calls to make and got all of them right. This would
definitely never have happened before the video ref. (I'd like to
see Blatter come and tell us again that football needs a human
face. And many more others.)
I have to say, in the UCL the refereeing finally seems to be more or
less where it should be. Unlike what I saw at the World Cup.
Not sure if it actually went to VAR but what about the position near
the end where Bayern seemed to be wrongly flagged for offside,
cancelling out a passage of play where they placed the ball in the
net for what would have been the equaliser? That didn't look like a
fair decision to me.
RM
Real_Mardin wrote:
FF wrote:
FF wrote:
Looks like the first german team made it to the final. In a few
hours we'll see if there is a second one too.
But it was a lucky win. If just 2 of those many woodwork hits by
PSG had gone in, we'd probably have a different conversation.
Besides, I had the impression that at least one of their penalty
calls could have been deserved (not very clear though and I don't
have time any more to look at it in detail).
It wasn't to be.
Excellent game.
Both teams fought well. In the end the masters of the comeback
turned the result around again.
It was also a demonstration of the video ref. They had 3 or 4
difficult calls to make and got all of them right. This would
definitely never have happened before the video ref. (I'd like to
see Blatter come and tell us again that football needs a human
face. And many more others.)
I have to say, in the UCL the refereeing finally seems to be more or
less where it should be. Unlike what I saw at the World Cup.
Not sure if it actually went to VAR but what about the position near
the end where Bayern seemed to be wrongly flagged for offside,
cancelling out a passage of play where they placed the ball in the
net for what would have been the equaliser? That didn't look like a
fair decision to me.
RM
It didn't go to the VAR. And I looked carefully and it did seem offside
to me, a very close one. I agree the ref shouldn't have whistled and
then should have asked the VAR, but I think it was offside.
In any case, if it wasn't we'll hear much about it in the next hours
and days.
FF wrote:
Real_Mardin wrote:
FF wrote:
FF wrote:
hours we'll see if there is a second one too.Looks like the first german team made it to the final. In a few
But it was a lucky win. If just 2 of those many woodwork hits by
PSG had gone in, we'd probably have a different conversation.
Besides, I had the impression that at least one of their penalty
calls could have been deserved (not very clear though and I don't
have time any more to look at it in detail).
It wasn't to be.
Excellent game.
Both teams fought well. In the end the masters of the comeback
turned the result around again.
It was also a demonstration of the video ref. They had 3 or 4
difficult calls to make and got all of them right. This would
definitely never have happened before the video ref. (I'd like to
see Blatter come and tell us again that football needs a human
face. And many more others.)
I have to say, in the UCL the refereeing finally seems to be more or
less where it should be. Unlike what I saw at the World Cup.
Not sure if it actually went to VAR but what about the position near
the end where Bayern seemed to be wrongly flagged for offside,
cancelling out a passage of play where they placed the ball in the
net for what would have been the equaliser? That didn't look like a
fair decision to me.
RM
It didn't go to the VAR. And I looked carefully and it did seem offside
to me, a very close one. I agree the ref shouldn't have whistled and
then should have asked the VAR, but I think it was offside.
In any case, if it wasn't we'll hear much about it in the next hours
and days.
Well I don’t think he was offside and all the presenters and pundits on
TNT Sports thought the linesman got the call wrong and that the Bayern
player wasn’t offside. Don’t understand why VAR wasn’t consulted, particularly in light of how VAR had been used minutes before to turn an offside call into a goal for Real Madrid.
Tuchel told TNT Sports after the match that the linesman apologised to
him, but of course an apology doesn’t put the matter right.
RM
Not the linesman's fault, at least not entirely. The ref does not have
to blow his whistle when a linesman flags, but this one did. Having
done so before the ball went into the goal, there was apparently no
recourse to VAR possible.
MH wrote:
Not the linesman's fault, at least not entirely. The ref does not
have to blow his whistle when a linesman flags, but this one did.
Having done so before the ball went into the goal, there was
apparently no recourse to VAR possible.
This thread argues that the linesman did the correct thing in raising
the flag, and the blame is squarely on the referee for blowing the
whistle.
MH wrote:
Not the linesman's fault, at least not entirely. The ref does not
have to blow his whistle when a linesman flags, but this one did.
Having done so before the ball went into the goal, there was
apparently no recourse to VAR possible.
This thread argues that the linesman did the correct thing in raising
the flag, and the blame is squarely on the referee for blowing the
whistle.
My impression is that Mazraoui was marginally offside, but we'll
never know. The Real Madrid/Bernabeu mystique is really something to
behold (even though, truth be told, if Bayern had managed to come out
on top yesterday it would have been daylight robbery)
Futbolmetrix wrote:
MH wrote:
Not the linesman's fault, at least not entirely. The ref does not
have to blow his whistle when a linesman flags, but this one did.
Having done so before the ball went into the goal, there was
apparently no recourse to VAR possible.
This thread argues that the linesman did the correct thing in
raising the flag, and the blame is squarely on the referee for
blowing the whistle.
I think the linesman has his part of the fault, because even if it was
it was very small. He could and probably should have ignored it.
Futbolmetrix wrote:
My impression is that Mazraoui was marginally offside, but
we'll never know. The Real Madrid/Bernabeu mystique is
really something to behold (even though, truth be told, if
Bayern had managed to come out on top yesterday it would
have been daylight robbery)
In any case, it's a difficult situation. From the video on the
Net (it's the same everywhere, at least that's what I found)
it's still hard to tell. The clear things are that
1. It's not the VARs fault.
2. It's the ref's fault for not consulting the VAR. That much
is clear. I guess they're still learning. I still think the
rerfereeing was good over-all (in part because I don't think
it was in fact offside).
1. It's not the VARs fault.
2. It's the ref's fault for not consulting the VAR. That much is clear.
I guess they're still learning. I still think the rerfereeing was good over-all (in part because I don't think it was in fact offside).
The "fault", if one really wants to blame someone, is really on the
assistant referee here, as he didn't follow protocol or, more likely, believed that one of the Bayern players is "obviously" offside.
Once the referee whistles the play is over. Speculation of what would
happen if there was no whistle, i.e. would a goal even be scored, are pointless. There is nothing VAR could have done, nor is it useful to
consult with VAR at that point. What do you want them to do, award the
goal?
HASM wrote:
The "fault", if one really wants to blame someone, is really on the assistant referee here, as he didn't follow protocol or, more
likely, believed that one of the Bayern players is "obviously"
offside.
Dale Johnson argues that the AR did follow protocol: you should delay
raising the flag only if the ball actually reaches the intended
target, who was in an offside position, and then raise the flag when
the play is over. Because the ball never reached Mazraoui, the "play"
was over, and the AR raised the flag.
"FF" <[email protected]> writes:
1. It's not the VARs fault.
2. It's the ref's fault for not consulting the VAR. That much is
clear. I guess they're still learning. I still think the
rerfereeing was good over-all (in part because I don't think it was
in fact offside).
Never refereed with VAR, but it is always very hard for the center
referee to override a (trusted) assistant's call.
When refereeing at an amateur/semi-pro level, the highest I ever did,
there is no referee crew that works together consistently, and thus
one can get on thorny situations working with an assistant or center
referee that doesn't do things "properly". Believe me.
The crew on this game certainly has worked together at this high
level, and probably many other lower levels, many times. There is a
high level of trust between them.
The "fault", if one really wants to blame someone, is really on the
assistant referee here, as he didn't follow protocol or, more likely, believed that one of the Bayern players is "obviously" offside.
If you look at the replay, the pass comes from a little behind the
halfway line, on the other side of the field from the assistant's
point of view, to a couple of players near the top of the penalty box
(an the one player that doesn't touch the ball is probably offside).
This is a hard call to judge, as by the time that the assistant turns
his head from where he is looking at the pass, to where the players
are some 40 yards downfield, players could have moved several
meters/yards.
He raises his flag, the center referee, who is no position to override
him, trusts him and whistles. The FIFA referee on the CBS/Paramount
post broadcast analysis claims that the center referee errored, but
that is an ipso facto statement, most high level center referees
would have done the same. I know I would, I "know" that my assistant
is certain that was offside and not a situation that he would let
play go on to be further analyzed by VAR.
Once the referee whistles the play is over. Speculation of what would
happen if there was no whistle, i.e. would a goal even be scored, are pointless. There is nothing VAR could have done, nor is it useful to
consult with VAR at that point. What do you want them to do, award
the goal?
-- HASM
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