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Rule proposal: the score of a player is the minimum between:
- the number of UEFA Champions League won
- the number of Copa Libertadores won

(For context: only 14 players ever have won both trophies, and 3 have
been picked by me in Fantasy Scout: Bayern and Sao Paulo's Rafinha,
David Luiz, Marcelo.)

((Futbolmetrix, please don't tell your line.))

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On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 2:58:03 PM UTC-5, milivella wrote:

(For context: only 14 players ever have won both trophies, and 3 have
been picked by me in Fantasy Scout: Bayern and Sao Paulo's Rafinha,
David Luiz, Marcelo.)

In the analytics community, somebody once coined the Messi rule: "if you have a new measure of attacking output, and Messi comes out on top, it's probably a good measure."

We can paraphrase that and say that if the list of players who achieved some accomplishment includes David Luiz and Marcelo (and few others), then that accomplishment is probably pretty meaningless.

((Futbolmetrix, please don't tell your line.))

Which line? The one about the two players most directly responsible for the most humiliating and embarrassing defeat in the history of the best national team ever? oh, ooops...

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On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:58:03 PM UTC+1, milivella wrote:

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A question that crossed my mind when I read that Nagelsmann had called up Marvin Ducksch and Janis Blaswich for the first time to the German NT, at the respective ages of 29 and 32 - what's the percentage, roughly, of players that have actually been capped to a FS national team, but had never been selected
by any scout?

Ciao,
Werner

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Werner Pichler:

On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:58:03 PM UTC+1, milivella wrote:

[The rules of this thread are simple: write what you want, reply if you want, ignore if you have to.]

A question that crossed my mind when I read that Nagelsmann had called up Marvin Ducksch and Janis Blaswich for the first time to the German NT, at the
respective ages of 29 and 32 - what's the percentage, roughly, of players that
have actually been capped to a FS national team, but had never been selected by any scout?

Great question! Here is a quick, totally unscientific answer. Non-FS players who have played in the last match of each NT:
- ARG: 1/15: Acuna (I did not count in either group Messi, who was never pickable)
- BRA: 1/16: Carlos Augusto
- ENG: 2/14: Trippier, Rice
- ESP: 3/16: David Garcia, Pedraza, Joselu
- FRA: 1/17: Clauss
- GER: 4/17: Ruediger, Gross, Hofman, Behrens
- ITA: 1/16: Acerbi
- NED: 2/16: Weghorst, De Roon

If you analyze more than one match for each NT, I expect more low-scoring players to be added to the count than high-scoring ones, and low-scoring players are less likely to have been picked in FS (consider that if a player doesn't get at least 10 caps+
goals, he makes the scout lose points). So, if these data are something like 2 non-FS players for every 16 capped players, the answer to your question is probably more than that, that is to say, more than 12.5%.

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Reflecting on the idea of counting only goals: https://fantasyscoutblog.wordpress.com/2023/11/19/counting-only-goals/

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On 2023-11-18 19:54, milivella wrote:

Reflecting on the idea of counting only goals: https://fantasyscoutblog.wordpress.com/2023/11/19/counting-only-goals/

seems to me there would be a gross distortion in favour of players who
take penalties, especially given that penalties, especially for
handball, are so much more frequent now with new rule interpretations
and VAR.

Is Lukaku really a better pick than De Bruyne ? A LOT better ?

Is it worth distorting the game in favour of goal-scoring machines who
are not even the best players in their respective teams?

Is there not skill and acumen involved in correctly deciding who is
going to be a long term fixture in goal for teams like (random examples) England or France ?

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Idea: abolish cycles, have seasonal competitions, count only goals: https://fantasyscoutblog.wordpress.com/2023/11/22/idea-abolish-cycles-have-seasonal-competitions-count-only-goals/

I would explore this idea further before even considering to propose a
reform, but I'd like to hear your opinion about it.

(Above all, I have to reply to MH about the part I had already posted!
For the time being, thanks, Michael, for your very important feedback.)

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milivella:

Post scriptum:

[snip]

I was also thinking that we could have two rankings:
- the usual one, counting the caps and goals of all the players one picks
- the one based on goals only, specifically on the goals scored by a
selected subset of one's picks (the forwards)
But when would one specify who are the picked players to count for the
second ranking? At the end of the season? (I am assuming the seasonal
standing reform.)

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Cheers
milivella

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