• Re: No matter how hard I try...

    From Paul Carmichael@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 31 16:10:55 2022
    El Mon, 31 Jan 2022 15:55:06 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:

    https://flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/51854623154/in/dateposted-family/

    Perhaps I should take the tube off?


    Nope. Tube off - just as bad.

    https://flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/51854404893/in/dateposted-family/


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    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

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  • From Paul Carmichael@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 31 15:55:06 2022
    https://flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/51854623154/in/dateposted-family/

    Perhaps I should take the tube off?


    --
    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

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  • From Paul Carmichael@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 31 18:12:12 2022
    El Mon, 31 Jan 2022 12:57:25 -0500, Ed Ruf escribió:

    On 31 Jan 2022 15:55:06 GMT, Paul Carmichael <[email protected]>
    wrote:


    https://flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/51854623154/in/dateposted-family/

    Perhaps I should take the tube off?


    DoF too shallow given f/4. Stop the lens down to say f/16.


    Is this like sending the apprentice for a laft-handed spanner or a bag of sparks?


    --
    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

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  • From Ed Ruf@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 31 12:57:25 2022
    On 31 Jan 2022 15:55:06 GMT, Paul Carmichael <[email protected]>
    wrote:


    https://flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/51854623154/in/dateposted-family/

    Perhaps I should take the tube off?


    DoF too shallow given f/4. Stop the lens down to say f/16.

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  • From Alfred Molon@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 31 20:41:48 2022
    Am 31.01.2022 um 18:57 schrieb Ed Ruf:
    On 31 Jan 2022 15:55:06 GMT, Paul Carmichael <[email protected]>
    wrote:


    https://flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/51854623154/in/dateposted-family/

    Perhaps I should take the tube off?


    DoF too shallow given f/4. Stop the lens down to say f/16.

    Or use a camera with focus bracketing.
    --
    Alfred Molon

    Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
    https://groups.io/g/myolympus
    https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Alfred Molon on Tue Feb 1 09:51:45 2022
    On 1/02/2022 8:41 am, Alfred Molon wrote:
    Am 31.01.2022 um 18:57 schrieb Ed Ruf:
    On 31 Jan 2022 15:55:06 GMT, Paul Carmichael <[email protected]>
    wrote:


    https://flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/51854623154/in/dateposted-family/ >>>
    Perhaps I should take the tube off?


    DoF too shallow given f/4. Stop the lens down to say f/16.

    Or use a camera with focus bracketing.

    Certainly more foreground is sharp that necessary, but moving that back
    would still not bring the other side of the insect all sharp.

    A bit more attention to focus AND a smaller aperture probably required.

    geoff

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  • From Paul Carmichael@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 1 10:48:27 2022
    El Tue, 01 Feb 2022 09:51:45 +1300, geoff escribió:

    On 1/02/2022 8:41 am, Alfred Molon wrote:
    Am 31.01.2022 um 18:57 schrieb Ed Ruf:
    On 31 Jan 2022 15:55:06 GMT, Paul Carmichael <[email protected]>
    wrote:


    https://flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/51854623154/in/dateposted-
    family/

    Perhaps I should take the tube off?


    DoF too shallow given f/4. Stop the lens down to say f/16.

    Or use a camera with focus bracketing.

    Certainly more foreground is sharp that necessary, but moving that back
    would still not bring the other side of the insect all sharp.

    A bit more attention to focus AND a smaller aperture probably required.


    Actually, the title of the post reffered to my inability to get eyes in
    focus. I wasn't aiming for DoF.


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    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

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  • From sobriquet@21:1/5 to Paul Carmichael on Tue Feb 1 09:30:18 2022
    On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 11:48:34 AM UTC+1, Paul Carmichael wrote:
    El Tue, 01 Feb 2022 09:51:45 +1300, geoff escribió:

    On 1/02/2022 8:41 am, Alfred Molon wrote:
    Am 31.01.2022 um 18:57 schrieb Ed Ruf:
    On 31 Jan 2022 15:55:06 GMT, Paul Carmichael <[email protected]>
    wrote:


    https://flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/51854623154/in/dateposted- family/

    Perhaps I should take the tube off?


    DoF too shallow given f/4. Stop the lens down to say f/16.

    Or use a camera with focus bracketing.

    Certainly more foreground is sharp that necessary, but moving that back would still not bring the other side of the insect all sharp.

    A bit more attention to focus AND a smaller aperture probably required.
    Actually, the title of the post reffered to my inability to get eyes in focus. I wasn't aiming for DoF.


    --
    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

    Did you read the EOS 6D mark ii manual regarding how to let the camera know what part of
    the image you would like to be in focus?
    The camera is not magically going to know what part of the image you'd prefer to be sharp.

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  • From Paul Carmichael@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 1 19:23:04 2022
    El Tue, 01 Feb 2022 09:30:18 -0800, sobriquet escribió:

    Did you read the EOS 6D mark ii manual regarding how to let the camera
    know what part of the image you would like to be in focus?
    The camera is not magically going to know what part of the image you'd
    prefer to be sharp.

    I don't know what you're talking about. The camera doesn't know anything.
    I aim it, focus it and press the button.

    The last time I used a macro lens was quite a while ago, so maybe I just
    need some practice. The SP90 2.5 is generally regarded as a good lens, so
    worth persisting.

    PS: My camera has a manual? Whatever for?

    --
    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

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  • From Bill W@21:1/5 to Paul Carmichael on Tue Feb 1 13:56:23 2022
    On Feb 1, 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote
    (in article<pan$63421$a1f78f9d$175d5fe0$[email protected]>):

    El Tue, 01 Feb 2022 09:30:18 -0800, sobriquet escribió:

    Did you read the EOS 6D mark ii manual regarding how to let the camera
    know what part of the image you would like to be in focus?
    The camera is not magically going to know what part of the image you'd prefer to be sharp.

    I don't know what you're talking about. The camera doesn't know anything.
    I aim it, focus it and press the button.

    The last time I used a macro lens was quite a while ago, so maybe I just
    need some practice. The SP90 2.5 is generally regarded as a good lens, so worth persisting.

    PS: My camera has a manual? Whatever for?

    Uh, you’ve been answering that question from the start of this thread.

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  • From sobriquet@21:1/5 to Paul Carmichael on Tue Feb 1 12:46:06 2022
    On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:23:11 PM UTC+1, Paul Carmichael wrote:
    El Tue, 01 Feb 2022 09:30:18 -0800, sobriquet escribió:

    Did you read the EOS 6D mark ii manual regarding how to let the camera know what part of the image you would like to be in focus?
    The camera is not magically going to know what part of the image you'd prefer to be sharp.
    I don't know what you're talking about. The camera doesn't know anything.
    I aim it, focus it and press the button.

    The last time I used a macro lens was quite a while ago, so maybe I just need some practice. The SP90 2.5 is generally regarded as a good lens, so worth persisting.

    PS: My camera has a manual? Whatever for?

    --
    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

    How can you expect decent pictures if you're clueless about operating the camera?

    Here is the manual.. read all the parts related to focusing (AF=Auto Focus). http://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/9/0300027469/01/eos6d-mk2-im-en.pdf

    In particular page 313
    https://i.imgur.com/1A5ZyLX.png

    It shows you how you can customize a particular spot in the image you want to focus on.

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  • From Paul Carmichael@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 2 09:37:06 2022
    El Tue, 01 Feb 2022 13:56:23 -0600, Bill W escribió:

    On Feb 1, 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote (in article<pan$63421$a1f78f9d$175d5fe0$[email protected]>):

    El Tue, 01 Feb 2022 09:30:18 -0800, sobriquet escribió:

    Did you read the EOS 6D mark ii manual regarding how to let the
    camera know what part of the image you would like to be in focus?
    The camera is not magically going to know what part of the image
    you'd prefer to be sharp.

    I don't know what you're talking about. The camera doesn't know
    anything.
    I aim it, focus it and press the button.

    The last time I used a macro lens was quite a while ago, so maybe I
    just need some practice. The SP90 2.5 is generally regarded as a good
    lens, so worth persisting.

    PS: My camera has a manual? Whatever for?

    Uh, you’ve been answering that question from the start of this thread.

    http://allphotolenses.com/lenses/item/c_1079.html

    I'm starting to remember why I stopped coming here. Do you actually have
    a camera?

    Bye then.


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    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

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  • From Paul Carmichael@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 2 09:32:26 2022
    El Tue, 01 Feb 2022 12:46:06 -0800, sobriquet escribió:

    On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:23:11 PM UTC+1, Paul Carmichael wrote:
    El Tue, 01 Feb 2022 09:30:18 -0800, sobriquet escribió:

    Did you read the EOS 6D mark ii manual regarding how to let the
    camera know what part of the image you would like to be in focus?
    The camera is not magically going to know what part of the image
    you'd prefer to be sharp.
    I don't know what you're talking about. The camera doesn't know
    anything.
    I aim it, focus it and press the button.

    The last time I used a macro lens was quite a while ago, so maybe I
    just need some practice. The SP90 2.5 is generally regarded as a good
    lens, so worth persisting.

    PS: My camera has a manual? Whatever for?

    How can you expect decent pictures if you're clueless about operating
    the camera?

    I know perfectly well how to work the camera and don't need a stupid
    manual.

    Here is the manual.. read all the parts related to focusing (AF=Auto
    Focus). http://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/9/0300027469/01/eos6d-mk2-im-en.pdf

    You might like to think about the lens I'm using. Not all of us use fancy motorised lenses.

    I have many lenses and only one has auto focus.


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    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

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  • From Paul Carmichael@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 2 12:56:52 2022
    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 04:33:54 -0800, sobriquet escribió:

    Maybe just a matter of more practice then, judging from other pictures
    taken with that lens.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/21159246390/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/140249051@N03/49935834148/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/23542785022/

    Yup.

    Definitely a capable lens. Crap operator.

    Hence the title of the post.

    FWIW I wasn't trying to get the whole thing in focus - just its head and
    scary arms. I was 100% convinced that I had the eyes in perfect focus.
    Maybe it's my age. Not seeing as well as I might like.


    --
    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

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  • From sobriquet@21:1/5 to Paul Carmichael on Wed Feb 2 04:33:54 2022
    On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 10:32:32 AM UTC+1, Paul Carmichael wrote:
    El Tue, 01 Feb 2022 12:46:06 -0800, sobriquet escribió:

    On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:23:11 PM UTC+1, Paul Carmichael wrote:
    El Tue, 01 Feb 2022 09:30:18 -0800, sobriquet escribió:

    Did you read the EOS 6D mark ii manual regarding how to let the
    camera know what part of the image you would like to be in focus?
    The camera is not magically going to know what part of the image
    you'd prefer to be sharp.
    I don't know what you're talking about. The camera doesn't know
    anything.
    I aim it, focus it and press the button.

    The last time I used a macro lens was quite a while ago, so maybe I
    just need some practice. The SP90 2.5 is generally regarded as a good
    lens, so worth persisting.

    PS: My camera has a manual? Whatever for?
    How can you expect decent pictures if you're clueless about operating
    the camera?
    I know perfectly well how to work the camera and don't need a stupid
    manual.

    Maybe just a matter of more practice then, judging from other pictures taken with that lens.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/21159246390/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/140249051@N03/49935834148/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/23542785022/


    Here is the manual.. read all the parts related to focusing (AF=Auto Focus). http://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/9/0300027469/01/eos6d-mk2-im-en.pdf
    You might like to think about the lens I'm using. Not all of us use fancy motorised lenses.

    I have many lenses and only one has auto focus.


    --
    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

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  • From Bill W@21:1/5 to Paul Carmichael on Wed Feb 2 09:04:39 2022
    On Feb 2, 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote
    (in article<pan$255e1$a946d9f4$b16affb5$[email protected]>):

    El Tue, 01 Feb 2022 13:56:23 -0600, Bill W escribió:

    On Feb 1, 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote (in article<pan$63421$a1f78f9d$175d5fe0$[email protected]>):

    El Tue, 01 Feb 2022 09:30:18 -0800, sobriquet escribió:

    Did you read the EOS 6D mark ii manual regarding how to let the
    camera know what part of the image you would like to be in focus?
    The camera is not magically going to know what part of the image
    you'd prefer to be sharp.

    I don't know what you're talking about. The camera doesn't know
    anything.
    I aim it, focus it and press the button.

    The last time I used a macro lens was quite a while ago, so maybe I
    just need some practice. The SP90 2.5 is generally regarded as a good lens, so worth persisting.

    PS: My camera has a manual? Whatever for?

    Uh, you’ve been answering that question from the start of this thread.

    http://allphotolenses.com/lenses/item/c_1079.html

    I'm starting to remember why I stopped coming here. Do you actually have
    a camera?

    Bye then.

    That’s an odd response. You were half joking, so was I. I see you mentioned the lens is MF. But doesn’t the focus confirmation work? That can work
    better than your eyes, along with telling you exactly where it’s focusing.
    I believe there are also settings regarding how small the spot focus area is, which might affect the focus confirmation.

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  • From Paul Carmichael@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 2 16:12:10 2022
    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 09:04:39 -0600, Bill W escribió:
    I see you
    mentioned the lens is MF. But doesn’t the focus confirmation work? That
    can work better than your eyes, along with telling you exactly where
    it’s focusing. I believe there are also settings regarding how small the spot focus area is,
    which might affect the focus confirmation.


    It does have an aftermarket chip glued in there and does indeed beep when
    the lens is open enough.

    I think this has more to do with unsteady hands and the fact that I was
    holding the camera at arm's length and actually moving the camera to
    focus rather than the focus ring.

    I think I'm just not very good at macro work. Not steady enough.

    Praps I'll try upping the shutter speed and iso.

    --
    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

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  • From Ed Ruf@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 2 10:25:49 2022
    On 2 Feb 2022 12:56:52 GMT, Paul Carmichael <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 04:33:54 -0800, sobriquet escribi�:

    Maybe just a matter of more practice then, judging from other pictures
    taken with that lens.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/21159246390/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/140249051@N03/49935834148/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/23542785022/

    Yup.

    Definitely a capable lens. Crap operator.

    Hence the title of the post.

    FWIW I wasn't trying to get the whole thing in focus - just its head and >scary arms. I was 100% convinced that I had the eyes in perfect focus.
    Maybe it's my age. Not seeing as well as I might like.

    What steps have you taken that for these closeups you have the camera viewfinder diopter set correctly or that your lens isn't front or back focusing? There are many focus test sheets and procedures available to
    test your lens' focus.

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  • From Paul Carmichael@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 2 16:07:29 2022
    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 10:25:49 -0500, Ed Ruf escribió:

    On 2 Feb 2022 12:56:52 GMT, Paul Carmichael <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 04:33:54 -0800, sobriquet escribió:

    Maybe just a matter of more practice then, judging from other pictures
    taken with that lens.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/21159246390/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/140249051@N03/49935834148/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/23542785022/

    Yup.

    Definitely a capable lens. Crap operator.

    Hence the title of the post.

    FWIW I wasn't trying to get the whole thing in focus - just its head and >>scary arms. I was 100% convinced that I had the eyes in perfect focus. >>Maybe it's my age. Not seeing as well as I might like.

    What steps have you taken that for these closeups you have the camera viewfinder diopter set correctly or that your lens isn't front or back focusing? There are many focus test sheets and procedures available to
    test your lens' focus.

    Erm, dunno guv. Will have to look into that.



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  • From Bill W@21:1/5 to Paul Carmichael on Wed Feb 2 11:13:12 2022
    On Feb 2, 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote
    (in article<pan$2aeb4$92e0f3ae$6b1b4368$[email protected]>):

    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 09:04:39 -0600, Bill W escribió:
    I see you
    mentioned the lens is MF. But doesn’t the focus confirmation work? That can work better than your eyes, along with telling you exactly where
    it’s focusing. I believe there are also settings regarding how small the spot focus area is,
    which might affect the focus confirmation.

    It does have an aftermarket chip glued in there and does indeed beep when
    the lens is open enough.

    I think this has more to do with unsteady hands and the fact that I was holding the camera at arm's length and actually moving the camera to
    focus rather than the focus ring.

    I think I'm just not very good at macro work. Not steady enough.

    Praps I'll try upping the shutter speed and iso.

    How about live view with focus peaking enabled? That also uses contrast
    detect which I believe is more accurate, but slower.

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  • From Savageduck@21:1/5 to Paul Carmichael on Wed Feb 2 09:42:52 2022
    On 2022-02-02 12:56:52 +0000, Paul Carmichael said:

    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 04:33:54 -0800, sobriquet escribió:

    Maybe just a matter of more practice then, judging from other pictures
    taken with that lens.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/21159246390/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/140249051@N03/49935834148/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/23542785022/

    Yup.

    Definitely a capable lens. Crap operator.

    Hence the title of the post.

    FWIW I wasn't trying to get the whole thing in focus - just its head and scary arms. I was 100% convinced that I had the eyes in perfect focus.
    Maybe it's my age. Not seeing as well as I might like.

    Since shallow DoF could be an issue, this sounds like a good time to
    try focus stacking. However, since you were shooting hand held that
    would not be a workable option. A tripod would be a good idea,
    regardless of the lost spontaneity of the image capture.
    --
    Regards,
    Savageduck

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  • From Paul Carmichael@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 2 17:26:20 2022
    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 11:13:12 -0600, Bill W escribió:

    On Feb 2, 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote (in article<pan$2aeb4$92e0f3ae$6b1b4368$[email protected]>):

    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 09:04:39 -0600, Bill W escribió:
    I see you mentioned the lens is MF. But doesn’t the focus
    confirmation work? That can work better than your eyes, along with
    telling you exactly where it’s focusing. I believe there are also
    settings regarding how small the spot focus area is,
    which might affect the focus confirmation.

    It does have an aftermarket chip glued in there and does indeed beep
    when the lens is open enough.

    I think this has more to do with unsteady hands and the fact that I was
    holding the camera at arm's length and actually moving the camera to
    focus rather than the focus ring.

    I think I'm just not very good at macro work. Not steady enough.

    Praps I'll try upping the shutter speed and iso.

    How about live view with focus peaking enabled? That also uses contrast detect which I believe is more accurate, but slower.


    Almost certainly would produce better results, but this was an
    apportunistic shoot on my patio and I had to get in and out before the
    cats noticed.

    My favourite models are goats:

    https://flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/7321450498/in/
    album-72157630014030874/

    (Samyang)


    --
    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

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  • From Bill W@21:1/5 to Paul Carmichael on Wed Feb 2 12:51:09 2022
    On Feb 2, 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote
    (in article<pan$52fe1$98700967$2400e4d2$[email protected]>):

    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 11:13:12 -0600, Bill W escribió:

    On Feb 2, 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote (in article<pan$2aeb4$92e0f3ae$6b1b4368$[email protected]>):

    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 09:04:39 -0600, Bill W escribió:
    I see you mentioned the lens is MF. But doesn’t the focus confirmation work? That can work better than your eyes, along with telling you exactly where it’s focusing. I believe there are also settings regarding how small the spot focus area is,
    which might affect the focus confirmation.

    It does have an aftermarket chip glued in there and does indeed beep
    when the lens is open enough.

    I think this has more to do with unsteady hands and the fact that I was holding the camera at arm's length and actually moving the camera to focus rather than the focus ring.

    I think I'm just not very good at macro work. Not steady enough.

    Praps I'll try upping the shutter speed and iso.

    How about live view with focus peaking enabled? That also uses contrast detect which I believe is more accurate, but slower.

    Almost certainly would produce better results, but this was an
    apportunistic shoot on my patio and I had to get in and out before the
    cats noticed.

    My favourite models are goats:

    https://flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/7321450498/in/ album-72157630014030874/

    (Samyang)

    As someone else mentioned, you might want to look into the diopter adjustment on your camera. Do you have AF lenses for that camera?

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  • From Bill W@21:1/5 to Paul Carmichael on Wed Feb 2 13:44:23 2022
    On Feb 2, 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote
    (in article<pan$8de88$854240$cb6155c5$[email protected]>):

    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 12:51:09 -0600, Bill W escribió:

    On Feb 2, 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote (in article<pan$52fe1$98700967$2400e4d2$[email protected]>):

    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 11:13:12 -0600, Bill W escribió:

    On Feb 2, 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote (in article<pan$2aeb4$92e0f3ae$6b1b4368$[email protected]>):

    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 09:04:39 -0600, Bill W escribió:
    I see you mentioned the lens is MF. But doesn’t the focus confirmation work? That can work better than your eyes, along
    with telling you exactly where it’s focusing. I believe there are also settings regarding how small the spot focus area is,
    which might affect the focus confirmation.

    It does have an aftermarket chip glued in there and does indeed
    beep when the lens is open enough.

    I think this has more to do with unsteady hands and the fact that I was holding the camera at arm's length and actually moving the
    camera to focus rather than the focus ring.

    I think I'm just not very good at macro work. Not steady enough.

    Praps I'll try upping the shutter speed and iso.

    How about live view with focus peaking enabled? That also uses
    contrast detect which I believe is more accurate, but slower.

    Almost certainly would produce better results, but this was an apportunistic shoot on my patio and I had to get in and out before the cats noticed.

    My favourite models are goats:

    https://flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/7321450498/in/ album-72157630014030874/

    (Samyang)

    As someone else mentioned, you might want to look into the diopter adjustment on your camera. Do you have AF lenses for that camera?

    I've adjusted the thing by the eyepiece. I do have one AF lens - a Sigma
    that everyone says is crap.

    It's what I took these with:

    https://flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/albums/72157688436887885

    I asked about the AF lens so that you could check what focus you see through the viewfinder compared to what the photos look like after taken. Or just manually focus that lens, and then turn AF back on and see if it changes.

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  • From Paul Carmichael@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 2 19:15:48 2022
    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 12:51:09 -0600, Bill W escribió:

    On Feb 2, 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote (in article<pan$52fe1$98700967$2400e4d2$[email protected]>):

    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 11:13:12 -0600, Bill W escribió:

    On Feb 2, 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote (in
    article<pan$2aeb4$92e0f3ae$6b1b4368$[email protected]>):

    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 09:04:39 -0600, Bill W escribió:
    I see you mentioned the lens is MF. But doesn’t the focus
    confirmation work? That can work better than your eyes, along
    with telling you exactly where it’s focusing. I believe there are
    also settings regarding how small the spot focus area is,
    which might affect the focus confirmation.

    It does have an aftermarket chip glued in there and does indeed
    beep when the lens is open enough.

    I think this has more to do with unsteady hands and the fact that I
    was holding the camera at arm's length and actually moving the
    camera to focus rather than the focus ring.

    I think I'm just not very good at macro work. Not steady enough.

    Praps I'll try upping the shutter speed and iso.

    How about live view with focus peaking enabled? That also uses
    contrast detect which I believe is more accurate, but slower.

    Almost certainly would produce better results, but this was an
    apportunistic shoot on my patio and I had to get in and out before the
    cats noticed.

    My favourite models are goats:

    https://flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/7321450498/in/
    album-72157630014030874/

    (Samyang)

    As someone else mentioned, you might want to look into the diopter
    adjustment on your camera. Do you have AF lenses for that camera?


    I've adjusted the thing by the eyepiece. I do have one AF lens - a Sigma
    that everyone says is crap.

    It's what I took these with:

    https://flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/albums/72157688436887885


    --
    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Paul Carmichael on Thu Feb 3 10:12:29 2022
    On 3/02/2022 1:56 am, Paul Carmichael wrote:
    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 04:33:54 -0800, sobriquet escribió:

    Maybe just a matter of more practice then, judging from other pictures
    taken with that lens.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/21159246390/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/140249051@N03/49935834148/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/23542785022/

    Yup.

    Definitely a capable lens. Crap operator.

    Hence the title of the post.

    FWIW I wasn't trying to get the whole thing in focus - just its head and scary arms. I was 100% convinced that I had the eyes in perfect focus.
    Maybe it's my age. Not seeing as well as I might like.



    Lens motorised or not, you camera presumably has an in-focus indicator
    of some sort.

    Circumstance will surely be covered in the manual ....

    geoff

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  • From Ken Hart@21:1/5 to Paul Carmichael on Wed Feb 2 16:26:37 2022
    On 2/2/22 7:56 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 04:33:54 -0800, sobriquet escribió:

    Maybe just a matter of more practice then, judging from other pictures
    taken with that lens.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/21159246390/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/140249051@N03/49935834148/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/23542785022/

    Yup.

    Definitely a capable lens. Crap operator.

    Hence the title of the post.

    FWIW I wasn't trying to get the whole thing in focus - just its head and scary arms. I was 100% convinced that I had the eyes in perfect focus.
    Maybe it's my age. Not seeing as well as I might like.


    If I were to attempt a photo like that, I would first grab my reading
    glasses.
    Age related "Short Arm Syndrome".

    --
    Ken Hart
    [email protected]

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Paul Carmichael on Thu Feb 3 21:56:15 2022
    On 3/02/2022 9:51 pm, Paul Carmichael wrote:
    El Thu, 03 Feb 2022 10:12:29 +1300, geoff escribió:

    On 3/02/2022 1:56 am, Paul Carmichael wrote:
    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 04:33:54 -0800, sobriquet escribió:

    Maybe just a matter of more practice then, judging from other pictures >>>> taken with that lens.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/21159246390/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/140249051@N03/49935834148/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/23542785022/

    Yup.

    Definitely a capable lens. Crap operator.

    Hence the title of the post.

    FWIW I wasn't trying to get the whole thing in focus - just its head
    and scary arms. I was 100% convinced that I had the eyes in perfect
    focus. Maybe it's my age. Not seeing as well as I might like.



    Lens motorised or not, you camera presumably has an in-focus indicator
    of some sort.

    The lens has a chip that I glued in. I certainly wouldn't rely on it.


    Circumstance will surely be covered in the manual ....

    Or not. I really cannot see what help "the manual" could possibly be (not that I even have a manual).



    It will tell you how to use the 'in-focus' indicator.

    https://lmgtfy.app/?q=EOS+6D+user+manual&iie=1

    geoff

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  • From Paul Carmichael@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 3 08:51:13 2022
    El Thu, 03 Feb 2022 10:12:29 +1300, geoff escribió:

    On 3/02/2022 1:56 am, Paul Carmichael wrote:
    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 04:33:54 -0800, sobriquet escribió:

    Maybe just a matter of more practice then, judging from other pictures
    taken with that lens.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/21159246390/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/140249051@N03/49935834148/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/23542785022/

    Yup.

    Definitely a capable lens. Crap operator.

    Hence the title of the post.

    FWIW I wasn't trying to get the whole thing in focus - just its head
    and scary arms. I was 100% convinced that I had the eyes in perfect
    focus. Maybe it's my age. Not seeing as well as I might like.



    Lens motorised or not, you camera presumably has an in-focus indicator
    of some sort.

    The lens has a chip that I glued in. I certainly wouldn't rely on it.


    Circumstance will surely be covered in the manual ....

    Or not. I really cannot see what help "the manual" could possibly be (not
    that I even have a manual).


    --
    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

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  • From Paul Carmichael@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 3 08:53:09 2022
    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 16:26:37 -0500, Ken Hart escribió:

    On 2/2/22 7:56 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 04:33:54 -0800, sobriquet escribió:

    Maybe just a matter of more practice then, judging from other pictures
    taken with that lens.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/21159246390/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/140249051@N03/49935834148/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michelevillafranca/23542785022/

    Yup.

    Definitely a capable lens. Crap operator.

    Hence the title of the post.

    FWIW I wasn't trying to get the whole thing in focus - just its head
    and scary arms. I was 100% convinced that I had the eyes in perfect
    focus. Maybe it's my age. Not seeing as well as I might like.


    If I were to attempt a photo like that, I would first grab my reading glasses.
    Age related "Short Arm Syndrome".

    It's a bastard, I can tell you. I can barely see the camera close up, but
    I can spot a wasp at 30 paces. I certainly can't use the camera with
    glasses on. So I am constantly glasses on - glasses off.



    --
    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

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  • From Paul Carmichael@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 3 08:54:34 2022
    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 13:44:23 -0600, Bill W escribió:

    On Feb 2, 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote (in article<pan$8de88$854240$cb6155c5$[email protected]>):

    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 12:51:09 -0600, Bill W escribió:

    On Feb 2, 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote (in
    article<pan$52fe1$98700967$2400e4d2$[email protected]>):

    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 11:13:12 -0600, Bill W escribió:

    On Feb 2, 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote (in
    article<pan$2aeb4$92e0f3ae$6b1b4368$[email protected]>):

    El Wed, 02 Feb 2022 09:04:39 -0600, Bill W escribió:
    I see you mentioned the lens is MF. But doesn’t the focus
    confirmation work? That can work better than your eyes, along
    with telling you exactly where it’s focusing. I believe there
    are also settings regarding how small the spot focus area is,
    which might affect the focus confirmation.

    It does have an aftermarket chip glued in there and does indeed
    beep when the lens is open enough.

    I think this has more to do with unsteady hands and the fact
    that I was holding the camera at arm's length and actually
    moving the camera to focus rather than the focus ring.

    I think I'm just not very good at macro work. Not steady
    enough.

    Praps I'll try upping the shutter speed and iso.

    How about live view with focus peaking enabled? That also uses
    contrast detect which I believe is more accurate, but slower.

    Almost certainly would produce better results, but this was an
    apportunistic shoot on my patio and I had to get in and out before
    the cats noticed.

    My favourite models are goats:

    https://flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/7321450498/in/
    album-72157630014030874/

    (Samyang)

    As someone else mentioned, you might want to look into the diopter
    adjustment on your camera. Do you have AF lenses for that camera?

    I've adjusted the thing by the eyepiece. I do have one AF lens - a
    Sigma that everyone says is crap.

    It's what I took these with:

    https://flickr.com/photos/wibbleypants/albums/72157688436887885

    I asked about the AF lens so that you could check what focus you see
    through the viewfinder compared to what the photos look like after
    taken. Or just manually focus that lens, and then turn AF back on and
    see if it changes.


    I believe the photos I've taken with the AF lens are pretty much OK. So
    it's me.


    --
    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

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  • From Paul Carmichael@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 3 12:46:13 2022
    El Thu, 03 Feb 2022 21:56:15 +1300, geoff escribió:

    It will tell you how to use the 'in-focus' indicator.

    https://lmgtfy.app/?q=EOS+6D+user+manual&iie=1


    Yes, very helpful, thankyou.

    But I still don't need a manual.

    --
    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

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  • From geoff@21:1/5 to Paul Carmichael on Fri Feb 4 10:52:08 2022
    On 4/02/2022 1:46 am, Paul Carmichael wrote:
    El Thu, 03 Feb 2022 21:56:15 +1300, geoff escribió:

    It will tell you how to use the 'in-focus' indicator.

    https://lmgtfy.app/?q=EOS+6D+user+manual&iie=1


    Yes, very helpful, thankyou.

    But I still don't need a manual.


    So you are rueing that you are unable to focus optimally, you don't know
    how to get your camera to assist in this, and you apparently don't
    need/want the manual which will show you how to get your camera to
    assist in this.

    OK ....

    geoff

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  • From Paul Carmichael@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 4 09:00:00 2022
    El Fri, 04 Feb 2022 10:52:08 +1300, geoff escribió:

    On 4/02/2022 1:46 am, Paul Carmichael wrote:
    El Thu, 03 Feb 2022 21:56:15 +1300, geoff escribió:

    It will tell you how to use the 'in-focus' indicator.

    https://lmgtfy.app/?q=EOS+6D+user+manual&iie=1


    Yes, very helpful, thankyou.

    But I still don't need a manual.


    So you are rueing that you are unable to focus optimally, you don't know
    how to get your camera to assist in this, and you apparently don't
    need/want the manual which will show you how to get your camera to
    assist in this.


    Correct. The camera can't help with my eyes. But thanks anyway.


    --
    Paul.

    https://paulc.es/elpatio

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