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  • Yowls and Congestive Heart Disease

    From bad sector@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 14 22:01:21 2020
    I'm going to describe my dogs last days in
    case someone should google for this info.
    A 15 year old Tibetan-Terrier, he started
    coughing last summer. We put him on meds
    to decrease water retention in the lungs.
    Everything was going fairly good but a few
    weeks ago he suddenly got worse. The vet
    was going to increase the dosage but we
    never got around to that. He would just keel
    over at times and yowl loudly, this happened
    maybe a dozen times in a week. He lost bladder
    control and would often just stand totally
    disoriented. We took him to the vet for a last
    time today.

    I'd like to know if he had been yowling because
    of heart failure pain, from pain from the act of
    collapsing, or because of panic? I have seen
    dogs hit by cars and even badly shot and
    yowling in agony, it's impossible to bear such
    vocalizations. I also know that cardiac infarction
    can be very painful but this was probably not
    that. Severe arrhythmia or fibrillation while not
    painful in my experience can cause severe panic
    and I don't think one could make any sounds
    during such episodes.

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  • From Joshua Whitley@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 15 07:45:05 2020
    Sorry for your loss.

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to Joshua Whitley on Tue Dec 15 12:11:26 2020
    On 12/15/20 10:45 AM, Joshua Whitley wrote:

    Sorry for your loss.

    Thanks, I was just curious in order to better
    understand what he went through. Some people
    claim that it could be emotional stress but dogs
    tend to rather howl like wolves at such times. He
    used to howl when left alone in the house so
    we quickly stopped that a long time ago. According
    to the vets these collapses into unconsciousness
    also carry elements of epilepsy due to lack of blood
    to the brain but I know nothing about that side of
    the topic, vets would know more. Finally in order to
    avoid any future mistakes I may have made, I'll
    probably look into the causes because it seems that
    only about 10-15% of dogs end up with the condition.

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to bad sector on Mon Dec 21 23:53:49 2020
    On 12/15/20 12:11 PM, bad sector wrote:
    On 12/15/20 10:45 AM, Joshua Whitley wrote:

    Sorry for your loss.

    Thanks, I was just curious in order to better understand what he went
    through. Some people claim that it could be emotional stress but
    dogs tend to rather howl like wolves at such times. He used to howl
    when left alone in the house so we quickly stopped that a long time
    ago. According to the vets these collapses into unconsciousness

    also carry elements of epilepsy due to lack of blood to the brain but
    I know nothing about that side of the topic, vets would know more.
    Finally in order to avoid any future mistakes I may have made, I'll

    probably look into the causes because it seems that

    only about 10-15% of dogs end up with the condition.

    I'm going to append this in case someone might be
    desparately googling for answers

    The first 3 instances of collapse my dog was crying out
    loud for help (very hard to take!). But the subsequent 4 or 5
    events he didn't, he just laid there motionless so my hunch
    is that initially he was really panicking in a world of darkness,
    dizziness and who know what but then he got used to the
    sensation. This, anyway, would be a better situation than
    one of excrutiating pain.

    I'm no vet so I don't know!

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