Forum : rec.music.classical.recordings
Stats : du 01/02/2023 au 28/02/2023
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num| nom | nb msg | taille | or. | % ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
1 | Dan Koren | 350 | 753,527 | 92 | 33.65% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Andrew Clarke | 80 | 226,020 | 10 | 7.69% xx
3 | Herman | 80 | 161,141 | 5 | 7.69% xx
4 | Frank Berger | 75 | 243,102 | 1 | 7.21% xx
5 | HT | 73 | 151,246 | 11 | 7.02% xx
6 | raymond....@gmai ... | 41 | 108,606 | 7 | 3.94% x
7 | Andy Evans | 34 | 73,031 | 4 | 3.27%
8 | Pluted Pup | 31 | 85,037 | 6 | 2.98%
9 | Mandryka | 26 | 54,967 | 8 | 2.50%
10 | Todd M. McComb | 24 | 35,735 | 0 | 2.31%
***** Meilleurs contributeurs / origine *****
num| nom | or. | nb msg | taille | % ----|----------------------|-----|--------|---------|------------------|
1 | Dan Koren | 92 | 350 | 753,527 | 51.40% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | HT | 11 | 73 | 151,246 | 6.15% x
3 | Andrew Clarke | 10 | 80 | 226,020 | 5.59% x
4 | Mandryka | 8 | 26 | 54,967 | 4.47%
5 | raymond....@gmai ... | 7 | 41 | 108,606 | 3.91%
6 | MELMOTH | 7 | 22 | 55,596 | 3.91%
7 | Pluted Pup | 6 | 31 | 85,037 | 3.35%
8 | Herman | 5 | 80 | 161,141 | 2.79%
9 | Andy Evans | 4 | 34 | 73,031 | 2.23%
10 | James Goodzeit | 3 | 10 | 26,996 | 1.68%
***** Meilleurs contributeurs / taille *****
num| nom | taille | nb msg | or. | % ----|----------------------|---------|--------|-----|------------------|
1 | Dan Koren | 753,527 | 350 | 92 | 31.30% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Frank Berger | 243,102 | 75 | 1 | 10.10% xxx
3 | Andrew Clarke | 226,020 | 80 | 10 | 9.39% xx
4 | Herman | 161,141 | 80 | 5 | 6.69% xx
5 | HT | 151,246 | 73 | 11 | 6.28% xx
6 | raymond....@gmai ... | 108,606 | 41 | 7 | 4.51% x
7 | Pluted Pup | 85,037 | 31 | 6 | 3.53% x
8 | Andy Evans | 73,031 | 34 | 4 | 3.03%
9 | MELMOTH | 55,596 | 22 | 7 | 2.31%
10 | Mandryka | 54,967 | 26 | 8 | 2.28%
***** Résumé *****
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On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 09:06:04 UTC, Gerard wrote:
- "everyone is antisemite" posts: 55.8%The ng has become like a primary school playground:
"Ya boo, you're and antisemite, you're an antisemite,
you're an antisemite, you're an antisemite..... I'll tell
teacher, I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher.......
Ya Boo... antisemite, antisemite, antisemite, antisemite........."
- "everyone is antisemite" posts: 55.8%
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 1:48:58 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 09:06:04 UTC, Gerard wrote:
- "everyone is antisemite" posts: 55.8%The ng has become like a primary school playground:
"Ya boo, you're and antisemite, you're an antisemite,
you're an antisemite, you're an antisemite..... I'll tell
teacher, I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher.......
Ya Boo... antisemite, antisemite, antisemite, antisemite........."
You are.
dk
On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 09:56:46 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 1:48:58 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 09:06:04 UTC, Gerard wrote:
- "everyone is antisemite" posts: 55.8%The ng has become like a primary school playground:
"Ya boo, you're and antisemite, you're an antisemite,
you're an antisemite, you're an antisemite..... I'll tell
teacher, I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher....... Ya Boo... antisemite, antisemite, antisemite, antisemite........."
You are.
I'm not a 9 year old any more. I don't call people names in
the playground. Come to think of it I didn't even do that as
a 9 year old.
On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 09:56:46 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 1:48:58 AM UTC-8, Andy Evans wrote:
You are.I'm not a 9 year old any more. I don't call people names in the playground. Come to think of it I didn't even do that as a 9 year old.
dk
If DK and MS just got a room in a cheap motel
in Las Vegas things would be much better here.
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 2:24:36 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
If DK and MS just got a room in a cheap motelWhat makes you think I would ever set foot in Vegas?
in Las Vegas things would be much better here.
dk
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 3:19:16 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 11:25:58 UTC+1:
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 2:24:36 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
If DK and MS just got a room in a cheap motel
in Las Vegas things would be much better here.
What makes you think I would ever set foot in Vegas?
My dear friend, we would have aNope. No classical music in Vegas.
lot of fun in Vegas, don't you think?
In fact, even jazz does not have a
foothold there.
dk
Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 11:25:58 UTC+1:
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 2:24:36 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
If DK and MS just got a room in a cheap motel
in Las Vegas things would be much better here.
What makes you think I would ever set foot in Vegas?
My dear friend, we would have a
lot of fun in Vegas, don't you think?
Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 12:23:54 UTC+1:
Nope. No classical music in Vegas.
In fact, even jazz does not have a
foothold there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vE2FmiBHCg
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 3:33:37 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 12:23:54 UTC+1:
Nope. No classical music in Vegas.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vE2FmiBHCg
In fact, even jazz does not have a
foothold there.
Sinatra isn't jazz.
dk
On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 09:06:04 UTC, Gerard wrote:
- "everyone is antisemite" posts: 55.8%
The ng has become like a primary school playground:
"Ya boo, you're and antisemite, you're an antisemite, you're an antisemite, you're an antisemite..... I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher, I'll tell teacher....... Ya Boo... antisemite, antisemite, antisemite, antisemite........."
Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 12:47:46 UTC+1:
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 3:33:37 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 12:23:54 UTC+1:
Nope. No classical music in Vegas.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vE2FmiBHCg
In fact, even jazz does not have a
foothold there.
Sinatra isn't jazz.
I did not say he was, but he's fun.
Why are you always so serious...
Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,
yet somehow there are no people who are
actually antisemitic. A mystery.
I got to say, Gerard, that your monthly summary of MELMOTH's summary
has become one of the funniest things in this group.
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,
yet somehow there are no people who are
actually antisemitic. A mystery.
Half of the anti-semites appear to be Israeli
citizens according to Marc SS.. Specifically,
those who did not vote for Netanyahu.
dk
- "everyone is antisemite" posts: 55.8%
- "This ng is such a sad place honestly - it is full of antisemites,
racists and bigots and generally very bitter and uneducated people;
even the Jews here are antisemitic." posts: 1.8%- " Have fun grieving
over an antisemite." posts: 0.8%
- "I am not part of your club and I do not intend to join it; I despise
clubs made up of imbeciles, antisemites and philistines. " posts: 1.1%
- "You are by far the worst excrement to disgrace this group." posts: 6.2%
- "Let me remind you, Marc Schiss, that you are a bigoted, retarted,
hyper conservative, ultra-reactionary Nazi dog brainfucked imbecile krautkopf. " posts: 0.7%
- "Have fun hating yourself!" posts: 0.9%
- "A pathetic, self-hating Jew is what you are." posts: 1.0%
- "Is this ng full of self-hating Jews?" posts: 1.1%
- "Sorry, but I don't want to become as retarded as you are." posts: 1.0%
- "you need a lobotomy" posts: 1.1%
- "Thanks for providing further proof that you have no taste and are
full of shit." posts: 1.2%
- "I only like a handful of composers" posts: 1.1%
- "Screw B�hm, Abendroth, Thielemann, Schuricht, Masur and Wand, Schmidt-Isserstedt as well; screw Barbirolli, Sargent, Mravinsky,
Gergiev, Svetlanov, Bernstein, Szell, Koussevitsky... well, I guess,
screw about 99% of the conductors." posts: 0.8%
- "don't care for Sibelius anyway; Strauss is much better, but I don't
care for him either" posts: 0.7%
On 2023-03-02 09:06:01 +0000, Gerard said:
- "everyone is antisemite" posts: 55.8%I got to say, Gerard, that your monthly summary of MELMOTH's summary
- "This ng is such a sad place honestly - it is full of antisemites, racists and bigots and generally very bitter and uneducated people;
even the Jews here are antisemitic." posts: 1.8%- " Have fun grieving
over an antisemite." posts: 0.8%
- "I am not part of your club and I do not intend to join it; I despise clubs made up of imbeciles, antisemites and philistines. " posts: 1.1%
- "You are by far the worst excrement to disgrace this group." posts: 6.2% - "Let me remind you, Marc Schiss, that you are a bigoted, retarted,
hyper conservative, ultra-reactionary Nazi dog brainfucked imbecile krautkopf. " posts: 0.7%
- "Have fun hating yourself!" posts: 0.9%
- "A pathetic, self-hating Jew is what you are." posts: 1.0%
- "Is this ng full of self-hating Jews?" posts: 1.1%
- "Sorry, but I don't want to become as retarded as you are." posts: 1.0% - "you need a lobotomy" posts: 1.1%
- "Thanks for providing further proof that you have no taste and are
full of shit." posts: 1.2%
- "I only like a handful of composers" posts: 1.1%
- "Screw Böhm, Abendroth, Thielemann, Schuricht, Masur and Wand, Schmidt-Isserstedt as well; screw Barbirolli, Sargent, Mravinsky,
Gergiev, Svetlanov, Bernstein, Szell, Koussevitsky... well, I guess,
screw about 99% of the conductors." posts: 0.8%
- "don't care for Sibelius anyway; Strauss is much better, but I don't care for him either" posts: 0.7%
has become one of the funniest things in this group.
-Owen
On 2023-03-02 09:06:01 +0000, Gerard said:
- "don't care for Sibelius anyway; Strauss is much better, but I don't
care for him either" posts: 0.7%
I got to say, Gerard, that your monthly summary of MELMOTH's summary has become one of the funniest things in this group.
-Owen
On 3/2/23 1:17 PM, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-03-02 09:06:01 +0000, Gerard said:
- "don't care for Sibelius anyway; Strauss is much better, but I don't
care for him either" posts: 0.7%
I got to say, Gerard, that your monthly summary of MELMOTH's summary
has become one of the funniest things in this group.
-Owen
I agree about Gerard's posts - but as a long term lurker I nominate
Owen for a Lifetime Achievement Award for humor!
(But watch out - Andrew Clarke is gaining on you..)
(And as W. C. Fields might have said, "I am free of all prejudice. I
hate everyone equally.")
No awards please! Then I'll have to
write a speech and deliver it on the
red carpet in a red gown slit up to
my thigh!
On 2023-03-02 20:29:39 +0000, Notsure01 said:
On 3/2/23 1:17 PM, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-03-02 09:06:01 +0000, Gerard said:
- "don't care for Sibelius anyway; Strauss is much better, but I don't >>> care for him either" posts: 0.7%
I got to say, Gerard, that your monthly summary of MELMOTH's summary
has become one of the funniest things in this group.
-Owen
I agree about Gerard's posts - but as a long term lurker I nominate
Owen for a Lifetime Achievement Award for humor!
(But watch out - Andrew Clarke is gaining on you..)
(And as W. C. Fields might have said, "I am free of all prejudice. INo awards please! Then I'll have to write a speech and deliver it on
hate everyone equally.")
the red carpet in a red gown slit up to my thigh!
-Owen
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
No awards please! Then I'll have to write a
speech and deliver it on the red carpet in a
red gown slit up to my thigh!
Are you sensitive to drafts, too?
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 10:35:23 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
No awards please! Then I'll have to write a
speech and deliver it on the red carpet in a
red gown slit up to my thigh!
Are you sensitive to drafts, too?We are all quite sensitive to bots.
dk
Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 07:58:39 UTC+1:maybe Bernstein and some others are better, it's been a while - likely I'll stay with Mengelberg...
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 10:35:23 PM UTC-8, gggg gggg wrote:
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
No awards please! Then I'll have to write a
speech and deliver it on the red carpet in a
red gown slit up to my thigh!
Are you sensitive to drafts, too?We are all quite sensitive to bots.
dkOT: I think you are probably right about Karajan in the general sense (and especially in Mozart)... still, I need to relisten to his Beethoven 3 (and some others); he certainly is no Mengelberg, but damn it, I need these symphonies also in good sound...
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,Half of the anti-semites appear to be Israeli
yet somehow there are no people who are
actually antisemitic. A mystery.
citizens according to Marc SS.. Specifically,
those who did not vote for Netanyahu.
dk
Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 18:41:31 UTC+1:
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,Half of the anti-semites appear to be Israeli
yet somehow there are no people who are
actually antisemitic. A mystery.
citizens according to Marc SS.. Specifically,
those who did not vote for Netanyahu.
Now you are putting words in my mouth.
I never said this.
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:12:39 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 18:41:31 UTC+1:
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,Half of the anti-semites appear to be Israeli
yet somehow there are no people who are
actually antisemitic. A mystery.
citizens according to Marc SS.. Specifically,
those who did not vote for Netanyahu.
Now you are putting words in my mouth.You didn't say it but it follows from what
I never said this.
you wrote.
dk
Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 12:26:45 UTC+1:antisemites; and I was very clear about why I said that you sound like an antisemite... and honestly... some of the things you said were antisemitic - very clearly. You should learn to reflect. You are the one that is imagining that Netanyahu wants to
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:12:39 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 18:41:31 UTC+1:
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,Half of the anti-semites appear to be Israeli
yet somehow there are no people who are
actually antisemitic. A mystery.
citizens according to Marc SS.. Specifically,
those who did not vote for Netanyahu.
Now you are putting words in my mouth.You didn't say it but it follows from what
I never said this.
you wrote.
dkNo, stop projecting.
You, Andy, NYT and the Austrian Newspaper I quoted etc paint 60% of Israelis as fascists and/or imbeciles (Austrian Newspaper likened them to the KKK) - this is what I was arguing against. I never said that (all) the people who voted left were
Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad... there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc. Things you don't see. You should open your eyes; Chabad people are not against civilisation and they don't want to force anything on anyone -people like Yishai Fleisher or Malkah Fleisher are a different, they are dangerous.
Show some respect for these people... just because they believe in something you believe to be outdated does not make them ignorants, rather it is you who is ignorant. As far as my experience goes, the people I talked to from Chabad all had a beautifulneshama (*I am only talking about the people I talked with); out of all the encounters I had with religious people, Chabad people are the ones that seemed most reasonable to me, and also very loving people. Generally I'd rather hang around and work with
Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
Chabad people are not against civilisation
and they don't want to force anything on anyone
To add: Dan, you liken Netanyahu to Putin;
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:14:48 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
To add: Dan, you liken Netanyahu to Putin;
I did -- with a precise meaning. He is
just like Putin a former secret service
operator. Cut from the same cloth.
dk
Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:
You don't seem to be able to get it through
your thick krautkopf head that the majority
of Jews in Israel are not religious and do
Yet the majority of Israelis (which are Jews)
voted for a right wing government.
Check your logic you stupid fuck: 60% of
Israelis voted rightwing; obviously the
majority of Israelis
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...Chabad people are against secular civilization.
there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
Chabad people are not against civilisation
You don't seem to be able to get it through
your thick krautkopf head that the majority
of Jews in Israel are not religious and do
not want to live under a theocratic regime.
and they don't want to force anything on anyoneYou clearly don't know anything about how the
religious minority in Israel force the rest of the
population to abide by their medieval notions.
You are an ignorant, complete idiot straight
out of the Middle Ages.
dk
Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
Chabad people are not against civilisation
Chabad people are against secular civilization.
This is not true. Quote me Schneerson or someone
who is regarded highly in the chabad on this...
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:24:09 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
Chabad people are not against civilisation
Chabad people are against secular civilization.
This is not true. Quote me Schneerson or someoneThis is not a matter of "quotes". It is a matter of
who is regarded highly in the chabad on this...
what people actually do day to day on the ground
in real life. Schneerson's terorrists block traffic on
weenkends whenerver and wherever they can. This
has many times prevented ambulances from taking
people to hospitals and saving lives during weekends.
Schneerson's chabadniks terrorize business owners
who open stores during weekends. They terrorize
mixed couples who cannot marry legally in Israel.
These are facts on the ground, not "quotes".
Fuck Schneerson and his rabbies.
dk
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:24:09 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:
You don't seem to be able to get it through
your thick krautkopf head that the majority
of Jews in Israel are not religious and do
Yet the majority of Israelis (which are Jews)No they didn't. Netanyahu's party did not win a
voted for a right wing government.
majority. They had the highest percentage of
the vote, but less than 50%, i.e. a "plurality".
Just like Hitler in 1933.
Check your logic you stupid fuck: 60% ofYou are completely delusional. You do
Israelis voted rightwing; obviously the
majority of Israelis
not even understand the most basic
facts of Israel's electoral system.
You are a brainfucked Nazi.
dk
Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 14:44:15 UTC+1:It is you that is totalitarian.
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:24:09 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
Chabad people are not against civilisation
Chabad people are against secular civilization.
How about some evidence? Imagining things won't convince me, you should have realized this by now... but I know you have trouble acknowleding reality.This is not true. Quote me Schneerson or someoneThis is not a matter of "quotes". It is a matter of
who is regarded highly in the chabad on this...
what people actually do day to day on the ground
in real life. Schneerson's terorrists block traffic on
weenkends whenerver and wherever they can. This
has many times prevented ambulances from taking
people to hospitals and saving lives during weekends.
I think you are confusing Chabadniks with Andy's favoured eco-terrorists who block streets...
Have you ever heard of the Chaverim in California? They actually help(ed) save lives. Or the Skulener Rabbis who rescued many orphans, or Schneerson who rescued many Jews from the Nazis.
And if shit ever hits the fan; these are the people who will welcome you with open arms, who will bleed for you - even though you hate them right now they will happily welcome you.
These orthodox Rabbis are actually more reasonable than you are, because they are not imagining secular Jews to be evil, or that secular Jews will take the religion away from them; like you are imagining Chabad to be evil, backwards and totalitarian.
Schneerson's chabadniks terrorize business owners
who open stores during weekends. They terrorize
mixed couples who cannot marry legally in Israel.
These are facts on the ground, not "quotes".
Fuck Schneerson and his rabbies.
dkHave fun hating on Chabad... you are seriously deranged.
You have some stereotypes about Chabad in your head hm?
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:12:39 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Dan Koren schrieb am Donnerstag, 2. März 2023 um 18:41:31 UTC+1:
On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 8:43:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
Half of the anti-semites appear to be Israeli
Everyone admits that antisemitism exists,
yet somehow there are no people who are
actually antisemitic. A mystery.
citizens according to Marc SS.. Specifically,
those who did not vote for Netanyahu.
Now you are putting words in my mouth.
I never said this.
You didn't say it but it follows from what
you wrote.
dk
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
Chabad people are not against civilisation
Chabad people are against secular civilization.
You don't seem to be able to get it through
your thick krautkopf head that the majority
of Jews in Israel are not religious and do
not want to live under a theocratic regime.
and they don't want to force anything on anyone
You clearly don't know anything about how the
religious minority in Israel force the rest of the
population to abide by their medieval notions.
You are an ignorant, complete idiot straight
out of the Middle Ages.
dk
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:24:09 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Dan Koren schrieb am Freitag, 3. März 2023 um 13:26:59 UTC+1:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
Chabad people are not against civilisation
Chabad people are against secular civilization.
This is not true. Quote me Schneerson or someone
who is regarded highly in the chabad on this...
This is not a matter of "quotes". It is a matter of
what people actually do day to day on the ground
in real life. Schneerson's terorrists block traffic on
weenkends whenerver and wherever they can. This
has many times prevented ambulances from taking
people to hospitals and saving lives during weekends.
Schneerson's chabadniks terrorize business owners
who open stores during weekends. They terrorize
mixed couples who cannot marry legally in Israel.
These are facts on the ground, not "quotes".
Fuck Schneerson and his rabbies.
dk
All this endless claptrap about Israel is BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING...........
Just goes on forever...... invades all threads........
Aren't you all sick of it by now?
Do you define "theocratic regime" as any system where the Rabbinate has any influence in political life? There is zero chance that there will ever be a theocratic regime in Israel, barring the arrival of the Messiah......etc etc etc
I went to an international school, have lived and worked in 3 different countries and speak 3 languages plus some Russian. From an early age I knew a large number of people from other countries, and this continued in all my years as a musician. To mepeople are just people. Simple as that. Always has been, always will be.
All of this was obvious, however, due to two or three horrible trolls who want to turn a music group into something where everything has to be about HATE, you feel obliged to justify and exculpate yourself.
The same way I had to do after I had accidentally said Isabelle Faust could play the violin - which made me an anti-semite in the eyes of these horrible ghouls.
Listen carefully. Despite all the nonsense and lies that have been printed on threads here about my views:people are just people. Simple as that. Always has been, always will be.
- I am not antisemitic
- I am critical about the politics of Israel, like many International institutions and demonstrators in Tel Aviv itself
Let me put it another way - people are just people
- I am not anti Russians, anti Chinese, anti Americans or whatever people, as people
- I am critical about the politics of Russia, China, America and a number of other countries, like many International institutions, demonstrators etc. etc. I am critical about the UK, my own country, when it steps out of line.
I went to an international school, have lived and worked in 3 different countries and speak 3 languages plus some Russian. From an early age I knew a large number of people from other countries, and this continued in all my years as a musician. To me
Politics is a different matter. Anyone who isn't critical of politics has their head in the sand. Don't confuse the two. That's all.
Herman......I laughed out loud and carried on for quite a while. It
really is as absurd as you say. I still can't stop laughing......
Op vrijdag 3 maart 2023 om 16:52:47 UTC+1 schreef Andy Evans:people are just people. Simple as that. Always has been, always will be.
Listen carefully. Despite all the nonsense and lies that have been printed on threads here about my views:
- I am not antisemitic
- I am critical about the politics of Israel, like many International institutions and demonstrators in Tel Aviv itself
Let me put it another way - people are just people
- I am not anti Russians, anti Chinese, anti Americans or whatever people, as people
- I am critical about the politics of Russia, China, America and a number of other countries, like many International institutions, demonstrators etc. etc. I am critical about the UK, my own country, when it steps out of line.
I went to an international school, have lived and worked in 3 different countries and speak 3 languages plus some Russian. From an early age I knew a large number of people from other countries, and this continued in all my years as a musician. To me
Politics is a different matter. Anyone who isn't critical of politics has their head in the sand. Don't confuse the two. That's all.
Andy, there is a tendency to broaden the definition to such a degree that even calling a (fictional) dog 'Israel' has been said [by a Dutch politician and literary critic (RIP)] to be an antisemitic act.
Antisemitism is the belief that in general the world would be better off without Jews and anti-Zionism that in general the world would be better off without Israel.
It's clear that some believe that these problems have been solved and keep themselves busy by wishing a 'santo subito' for Israel.
Henk
On 3/3/2023 7:26 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:05:34 AM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Furthermore there are many great people in Chabad...
there are many orthodox Jews who are scientists etc.
Things you don't see. You should open your eyes;
Chabad people are not against civilisation
Chabad people are against secular civilization.
You don't seem to be able to get it through
your thick krautkopf head that the majority
of Jews in Israel are not religious and do
not want to live under a theocratic regime.
Do you define "theocratic regime" as any system
where the Rabbinate has any influence in political
life? There is zero chance that there will ever be a
theocratic regime in Israel, barring the arrival of the
Messiah.
and they don't want to force anything on anyone
You clearly don't know anything about how the
religious minority in Israel force the rest of the
population to abide by their medieval notions.
Generalization. I've asked orthodox Rabbis about
this and it seems to me most would not support a
theocracy.
The accusation that significant number of Jews or other Israel supporters would call naming a dog "Israel" an antisemitic act is ridiculous. Leveling such a false charge knowingly, is in fact, antisemitic. What else could it be? Saying that Jews orZionists "always" claim that all criticism if Israel or its government is antisemitic or even anti-Zionist is equally false and potentially antisemitic.
I've never heard anyone, even the most ardent Zionist claim sainthood for Israel. Many consider the establishment, survival and success of Israel to be a revealed miracle. I don't know about that, not having been informed.
And before someone says, " there goes Berger again, talking about Israel," I didn't start it. I never do.
Saints are beyond reproach. Some believe Israel is.
I would appreciate it if it were but don't see it happen
in the near future.
Israel is not perfect, but it is better than most. Don't you
find it intriguing (to say the least) that the same folks who
keep complaining about Israel's imperfections have nothing
to say about Iran, Russia, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Malaysia,
Syria, Turkey, or any of a number of South East Asian or
South American countries that are so much worse than
Israel in every respect?
dk
On Saturday, 4 March 2023 at 01:21:06 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
Israel is not perfect, but it is better than most. Don't you
find it intriguing (to say the least) that the same folks who
keep complaining about Israel's imperfections have nothing
to say about Iran, Russia, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Malaysia,
Syria, Turkey, or any of a number of South East Asian or
South American countries that are so much worse than
Israel in every respect?
Not in the least intriguing. Do we have to talk about the rest
of the world in every post? Abuses in other countries are very
well known and don't need pointing out with a big stick.
Obviously the fact you and others are more preoccupied
with "abuses" in Israel than in other countries suggests a
bias that cannot simply be dismissed because those in
other countries are supposedly "well known". You are
just proving my point. This is classical, textbook
social and political antisemitism.
dk
I would appreciate it if it were but don't see it happen
in the near future.
No one nation is beyond reproach, and none will ever be.
Good to hear you say that. There are people who are even
offended when a dog in a novel is named Israel.
Israel is not perfect, but it is better than most. Don't you
find it intriguing (to say the least) that the same folks who
keep complaining about Israel's imperfections have nothing
to say about Iran, Russia, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Malaysia,
Syria, Turkey, or any of a number of South East Asian or
South American countries that are so much worse than
Israel in every respect?
Why would you want us to look away from what happens
in Israel, in particular on the West Bank?
And why that lame excuse: others are even worse than
we are ...
On Saturday, 4 March 2023 at 09:54:18 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
Obviously the fact you and others are more preoccupied
with "abuses" in Israel than in other countries suggests a
bias that cannot simply be dismissed because those in
other countries are supposedly "well known". You are
just proving my point. This is classical, textbook
social and political antisemitism.
Open your eyes to what's happening here. For months this ng
has been flooded with endless posts about antisemitism from
the TROLL Marc S, including incessant baseless accusations
against me and many others. You have COLLUDED with this
troll by answering most of his posts. Meanwhile I and others
with any sense in their heads have been trying to IGNORE this
TROLL. The preoccupation with Israel is as much your doing as
anyone elses.
For the rest of us this is BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING,
BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING........
For God's sake start talking about ANYTHING else. Like abuses
in Myanmar, since that clearly interests you.
focus is a dead giveaway that you are fundamentally social
and political antisemites. > > dk
I would appreciate it if it were but don't see it happenNo one nation is beyond reproach, and none will ever be.
in the near future.
Israel is not perfect, but it is better than most. Don't you
find it intriguing (to say the least) that the same folks who
keep complaining about Israel's imperfections have nothing
to say about Iran, Russia, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Malaysia,
Syria, Turkey, or any of a number of South East Asian or
South American countries that are so much worse than
Israel in every respect?
This is a textbook example of
social and political anti-semitism. Go lecture your
friends in Kabul.
It is not an excuse, it is a diagnosis of social and political
anti-semitism. You, Andy and a few others spend far more
time criticizing Israel than any other nation. This particular
focus is a dead giveaway that you are fundamentally social
and political antisemites.
On Saturday, 4 March 2023 at 11:05:29 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
You,
Andy and a few others spend far more time criticizing Israel
than any other nation. This particular focus is a dead giveaway
that you are fundamentally social and political antisemites.
A complete non-sequitor. And anyway I've said virtually NOTHING
about Israel on this ng other than saying it's not above criticism.
All the unrelenting claptrap about antisemitism comes from you
yourself and Marc S. If you and Marc S consider yourselves to be
the shop window for Israel, don't be surprised if you don't have any customers.
Open your eyes to what's happening here. For months this ng has been flooded with endless posts about antisemitism from the TROLL Marc S, including incessant baseless accusations against me and many others. You have COLLUDED with this troll byanswering most of his posts. Meanwhile I and others with any sense in their heads have been trying to IGNORE this TROLL. The preoccupation with Israel is as much your doing as anyone elses.
There is plenty of well documented anti-semitism
in the UK. Fix that first and then talk about Israel.
On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 10:54:18 AM UTC+1, Dan Koren wrote:
There is plenty of well documented anti-semitism
in the UK. Fix that first and then talk about Israel.
Some people are trying to "fix" racism here on RMCR,
of which you are the main and most prolific perp.
Whoever starts a RMCR topic has experienced it will be hijacked by DK who wants the entire ng to be about him and his stupid preoccupations. RMCR is just fucked, plain and simple.
It is not an excuse, it is a diagnosis of social and political
anti-semitism. You, Andy and a few others spend far more
time criticizing Israel than any other nation. This particular
focus is a dead giveaway that you are fundamentally social
and political antisemites.
An interesting quantitative definition of antisemitism: the more one
focusses on Israel without being an Israeli the more antisemitic one
is. This is a bad day for Marc S.
The definition also has a hidden meaning: it implies a condemnation of
those who focus on the fate of Palestinians on the West Bank.
The bookish title social-political antisemitism is clearly an
indication not to reproach Israel and to forget about the Palestinians.
You know that I won't do that. But if I ever take a dog, I won't call
him Israel.
Henk
On 2023-03-04 11:24:09 +0000, HT said:
It is not an excuse, it is a diagnosis of social and political
anti-semitism. You, Andy and a few others spend far more
time criticizing Israel than any other nation. This particular
focus is a dead giveaway that you are fundamentally social
and political antisemites.
An interesting quantitative definition of antisemitism: the more one focusses on Israel without being an Israeli the more antisemitic one is. This is a bad day for Marc S.
The definition also has a hidden meaning: it implies a condemnation of those who focus on the fate of Palestinians on the West Bank.
The bookish title social-political antisemitism is clearly an indication not to reproach Israel and to forget about the Palestinians.
You know that I won't do that. But if I ever take a dog, I won't call him Israel.
Henk
No! No!
His name's not Israel !!!!
It's ISHMAEL
Call him ISHMAEL !
-Owen
P.S. Here, puppy!
-O
On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 2:54:11 AM UTC-8, HT wrote:
I would appreciate it if it were but don't see it happen
in the near future.
No one nation is beyond reproach, and none will ever be.
Good to hear you say that. There are people who are evenI am offended by the very existence of dogs. Remember
offended when a dog in a novel is named Israel.
gods work with and for the police. Cats do not.
On Saturday, 4 March 2023 at 22:05:29 UTC+11, Dan Koren wrote:
On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 2:54:11 AM UTC-8, HT wrote:
I would appreciate it if it were but don't see it happen
in the near future.
No one nation is beyond reproach, and none will ever be.
Good to hear you say that. There are people who are even
offended when a dog in a novel is named Israel.
I am offended by the very existence of dogs. Remember
dogs work with and for the police. Cats do not.
Because they are far too dumb.
Dogs are far smarter and far more amenable, and
useful, as animals.
You are entitled to your views, but it flies in the face
of reality, and is a rather asinine statement.
I'd like to think it was a rhetorical bit of silliness. Dogs
also help people and organisations in a multitude of
ways, from the beginning of time, besides acting as
animal companions.
Dear Frank,
Typical reasoning. Do I have to look at other atrocities in the world before I can say something is an atrocity? How would that work in practice?
Also, we are pouring countless billions into Ukraine, to fight the atrocities Russia is committing, and that's just one thing.
Dear Frank,
Typical reasoning.
Zionism does not need to be defended. It is a solution to an essential problem.
On 3/5/2023 6:22 AM, HT wrote:
Dear Frank,
Typical reasoning.Typical of what? Me? Zionists? A poor argument, if that's what it is supposed to be.
A person who specializes in criticizing Israeli behavior to the exclusion of that of any other country is a suspect for antisemitism. I don't even see how one could argue otherwise.
Of course it needs to be defended. You mean I don't need to defend it to you? That was not my intent. I never suspected or hinted that you are in any way an antisemite.
Op zondag 5 maart 2023 om 15:12:06 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:
On 3/5/2023 6:22 AM, HT wrote:
Dear Frank,Typical of what? Me? Zionists? A poor argument, if that's what it is supposed to be.
Typical reasoning.
Thanks for your post, Frank.
<g> No, it's not personally but objectively typical: it's a typical fallacy. Just misguided reasoning.
Netherlands. (Where to stop?) To call all critics who fail to do so anti-(fill in the name) would be misrepresenting their views.A person who specializes in criticizing Israeli behavior to the exclusion of that of any other country is a suspect for antisemitism. I don't even see how one could argue otherwise.
I know people who criticize only Russia, only the US, China, the Netherlands. They don't believe the world would be better off without these countries, they just want a change.
Concentrating one's criticism on one subject is quite normal behaviour. There is no reason for someone who wants the war in Ukraine to end, to first condemn Guantánamo Bay, the genocide of the Uighurs and the treatment of asylum seekers in the
Of course it needs to be defended. You mean I don't need to defend it to you? That was not my intent. I never suspected or hinted that you are in any way an antisemite.
You have a point. The situation at this side of the Mediterranean and the situation in Israel aren't quite comparable - if only because Zionism still needs to be defended.
Henk
On 3/5/2023 12:01 PM, HT wrote:Netherlands. (Where to stop?) To call all critics who fail to do so anti-(fill in the name) would be misrepresenting their views.
Op zondag 5 maart 2023 om 15:12:06 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:
On 3/5/2023 6:22 AM, HT wrote:
Dear Frank,Typical of what? Me? Zionists? A poor argument, if that's what it is supposed to be.
Typical reasoning.
Thanks for your post, Frank.
<g> No, it's not personally but objectively typical: it's a typical fallacy. Just misguided reasoning.
You really need to explain this kind of statement, not just say it (I'm not even sure what you are referring to) is misguided.
A person who specializes in criticizing Israeli behavior to the exclusion of that of any other country is a suspect for antisemitism. I don't even see how one could argue otherwise.
I know people who criticize only Russia, only the US, China, the Netherlands. They don't believe the world would be better off without these countries, they just want a change.
Concentrating one's criticism on one subject is quite normal behaviour. There is no reason for someone who wants the war in Ukraine to end, to first condemn Guantánamo Bay, the genocide of the Uighurs and the treatment of asylum seekers in the
I said "suspect." Coming to back to what I said before. Everyone knows antisemitism exists, but it seems there are no actual antisemites.
Other criteria must be met before one can say that they believe that the world would be better off without these countries.
Of course it needs to be defended. You mean I don't need to defend it to you? That was not my intent. I never suspected or hinted that you are in any way an antisemite.
You have a point. The situation at this side of the Mediterranean and the situation in Israel aren't quite comparable - if only because Zionism still needs to be defended.
Henk
On 3/5/2023 1:37 PM, Frank Berger wrote:Netherlands. (Where to stop?) To call all critics who fail to do so anti-(fill in the name) would be misrepresenting their views.
On 3/5/2023 12:01 PM, HT wrote:
Op zondag 5 maart 2023 om 15:12:06 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:
On 3/5/2023 6:22 AM, HT wrote:
Dear Frank,Typical of what? Me? Zionists? A poor argument, if that's what it is supposed to be.
Typical reasoning.
Thanks for your post, Frank.
<g> No, it's not personally but objectively typical: it's a typical fallacy. Just misguided reasoning.
You really need to explain this kind of statement, not just say it (I'm not even sure what you are referring to) is misguided.
A person who specializes in criticizing Israeli behavior to the exclusion of that of any other country is a suspect for antisemitism. I don't even see how one could argue otherwise.
I know people who criticize only Russia, only the US, China, the Netherlands. They don't believe the world would be better off without these countries, they just want a change.
Concentrating one's criticism on one subject is quite normal behaviour. There is no reason for someone who wants the war in Ukraine to end, to first condemn Guantánamo Bay, the genocide of the Uighurs and the treatment of asylum seekers in the
I said "suspect." Coming to back to what I said before. Everyone knows antisemitism exists, but it seems there are no actual antisemites.
Other criteria must be met before one can say that they believe that the world would be better off without these countries.
Of course it needs to be defended. You mean I don't need to defend it to you? That was not my intent. I never suspected or hinted that you are in any way an antisemite.
You have a point. The situation at this side of the Mediterranean and the situation in Israel aren't quite comparable - if only because Zionism still needs to be defended.
Henk
I think the Left thinks antisemitsm exists only on the far right.
On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 7:41:53 PM UTC+1, Frank Berger wrote:Netherlands. (Where to stop?) To call all critics who fail to do so anti-(fill in the name) would be misrepresenting their views.
On 3/5/2023 1:37 PM, Frank Berger wrote:
On 3/5/2023 12:01 PM, HT wrote:
Op zondag 5 maart 2023 om 15:12:06 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:
On 3/5/2023 6:22 AM, HT wrote:
Dear Frank,Typical of what? Me? Zionists? A poor argument, if that's what it is supposed to be.
Typical reasoning.
Thanks for your post, Frank.
<g> No, it's not personally but objectively typical: it's a typical fallacy. Just misguided reasoning.
You really need to explain this kind of statement, not just say it (I'm not even sure what you are referring to) is misguided.
A person who specializes in criticizing Israeli behavior to the exclusion of that of any other country is a suspect for antisemitism. I don't even see how one could argue otherwise.
I know people who criticize only Russia, only the US, China, the Netherlands. They don't believe the world would be better off without these countries, they just want a change.
Concentrating one's criticism on one subject is quite normal behaviour. There is no reason for someone who wants the war in Ukraine to end, to first condemn Guantánamo Bay, the genocide of the Uighurs and the treatment of asylum seekers in the
I think the Left thinks antisemitsm exists only on the far right.
I said "suspect." Coming to back to what I said before. Everyone knows antisemitism exists, but it seems there are no actual antisemites.
Other criteria must be met before one can say that they believe that the world would be better off without these countries.
Of course it needs to be defended. You mean I don't need to defend it to you? That was not my intent. I never suspected or hinted that you are in any way an antisemite.
You have a point. The situation at this side of the Mediterranean and the situation in Israel aren't quite comparable - if only because Zionism still needs to be defended.
Henk
Google Corbyn and Labour
You really need to explain this kind of statement, not just say it (I'm not even sure what you are referring to) is misguided.
I said "suspect." Coming to back to what I said before. Everyone knows antisemitism exists, but it seems there are no actual antisemites.
I think the Left thinks antisemitism exists only on the far right.
Op zondag 5 maart 2023 om 19:38:09 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:
You really need to explain this kind of statement, not just say it (I'm not even sure what you are referring to) is misguided.
Misguided is the belief that my violation of human rights may only be condemned if the violations of human rights perpetrated by others are condemned. It is called "whataboutism".
I said "suspect." Coming to back to what I said before. Everyone knows antisemitism exists, but it seems there are no actual antisemites.
This is another example of misguided reasoning. Everyone knows that there are elephants but when I walk along the canal in my neighborhood I don't see any. I may accept that or stretch my definition of elephants to such lengths that I do meet a few.
Perhaps the rabbi in New York saw it right. I paraphrase: "Much has changed. Non-Jews now suddenly want to be Jews. Who could have imagined that in the last 2000 years?"
Henk
Op zondag 5 maart 2023 om 19:41:53 UTC+1 schreef Frank Berger:better off without ...
I think the Left thinks antisemitism exists only on the far right.
I don't think so. Nor do I think that antisemitism exists only on the left. There are different forms of antisemitism. It has different backgrounds. What all forms have in common is that they are based on the belief that in general the world would be
The same goes for racism, homophobia, etc. If a Church (whatever its denomination) believes that the world would be better off without homosexuals it is homophobic, even if it decides to treat homosexuals kindly.
Henk
OK, I guess in trying to identify antisemitsm, we have wait for actual crimes to occur. Tell that to the security people. There was an incident Madison, Wisconsin (my wife's home town) a few years ago, where swastiskas were painted on Jewish homes. Thepolice spokesperson said it was too soon tell if it was hate crime. Again, antisemitism but no antisemites.
Google "Jews" or "Israel." You won't find a lot of gentiles clamoring to be Jews. There have always been (when legal) conversions into and out of Judaism. I don't know the rabbi you refer to or if his comment holds water. I do see the world's relationto Jews (and Israel) becoming sort of more bipolar. Sure you have conservative Christians supporting Israel (but mainly because of some theology that doesn't include Jews remaining Jews). You have secular Jews hating rather than tolerating religious Jews.
Suppose a baker doesn't care if there are homosexuals, or at least
doesn't hate them, but doesn't want to bake a wedding cake for a
gay couple. He wishes them no harm, but doesn't want to be seen
as supporting gay marriage. Is he homophobic? Does it matter if a
person's or group's "bias" doesn't include hate? Should the baker be
forced to bake the cake?
I think this a tautology, or close. Suppose a baker doesn't care if there are homosexuals, or at least doesn't hate them, but doesn't want to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. He wishes them no harm, but doesn't want to be seen as supporting gaymarriage. Is he homophobic? Does it matter if a person's or group's "bias" doesn't include hate? Should the baker be forced to bake the cake?
Suppose a skinhead wearing a t-shirt that says "Jews are Vermin"
walks into a bakery and wants a cake. Is the baker obligated to
serve them? The answer is no, as I understand it, because right
wing extremists are not a protected class in civil rights legislation.
Sans legislation, people would be able to refuse service to anyone
they choose not to serve. This may make them assholes or bigots
or whatever, but it would be legal. Civil rights legislation came along
in the 60s and specified groups against whom you couldn't discriminate
(for anything? Or some things? Not sure, actually). If the people, via their legislators choose to designate LGBTQIA+ as protected, then that is the
will of the people and the law should be enforced. Not otherwise. So the degree of abhorrence of a particular group by the electorate will vary from person to person won't it? You won't see child molesters included in such legislation, ever. Well, I suppose the government could pass a broad law at some point saying retailers, landlords, etc, can not discriminate at all, on any basis. Applications could be made only electronically so people couldn't discriminate on the basis of the normal things that are protected and also smell, size, intelligence. Maybe a landlord shouldn't be able to discriminate
on the basis of the rental applicant's ability to pay. Some for mortgages. Just give one to anyone. Wait, we tried that already.
On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 3:20:15 PM UTC-8, Frank Berger wrote:
Suppose a skinhead wearing a t-shirt that says "Jews are Vermin"
walks into a bakery and wants a cake. Is the baker obligated to
serve them? The answer is no, as I understand it, because right
wing extremists are not a protected class in civil rights legislation.
Sans legislation, people would be able to refuse service to anyone
they choose not to serve. This may make them assholes or bigots
or whatever, but it would be legal. Civil rights legislation came along
in the 60s and specified groups against whom you couldn't discriminate
(for anything? Or some things? Not sure, actually). If the people, via their >> legislators choose to designate LGBTQIA+ as protected, then that is the
will of the people and the law should be enforced. Not otherwise. So the
degree of abhorrence of a particular group by the electorate will vary from >> person to person won't it? You won't see child molesters included in such
legislation, ever. Well, I suppose the government could pass a broad law at >> some point saying retailers, landlords, etc, can not discriminate at all, on >> any basis. Applications could be made only electronically so people couldn't >> discriminate on the basis of the normal things that are protected and also >> smell, size, intelligence. Maybe a landlord shouldn't be able to discriminate
on the basis of the rental applicant's ability to pay. Some for mortgages. >> Just give one to anyone. Wait, we tried that already.
Your argument is disingenous and profoundly dishonest. It focuses on
minutiae and tries to obscur the fundamental issue. Discrimination for
a number of reasons -- e.g. ethnic and religious preferences, gender,
age and sexual preferences -- is outlawed at the federal level. No
explicit, narrowing distinctions should be needed for "LGBTQIA+"
or for any other subcategories.
This is so fundamental that "the people" shoud not be allowed
to approve, disprove, challenge or revoke any part of it. What if
"the people" (whomever they are, wherever they are) decided
Jews (or green colored people, or long haired cats) do not
have the same rights as everyone else? If one follows your
argument to its logical conclusion, that would be OK. Did
you forget that some years ago "the people" had laws that
limited the rights of people of color? The fundamental flaw
in your argument is that "the people" have the right to deny
rights to other people, rather than just recognize everyone's
rights.
Please see your rabbi immediately and ask him to slap you
in your face.
dk
Please see your rabbi immediately and ask him to slap you
in your face.
dk
Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 6. März 2023 um 00:46:43 UTC+1:
Please see your rabbi immediately and ask him to slap
you in your face.
I think you should join the Goyim Defense League - they
also have zero respect for Rabbis.
On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:20:18 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Just as a general reminder:
Henk, Andy and Herman are antisemites -
You left me out of this august liszt? What
did I do? Or not do?!? I ask the question....
Take some of their comments about Israel
to the IHRA and the IHRA will tell you that
these comments are indeed antisemitic.
One does not need validation by 3rd parties.
It does not matter what I think, it does not
matter what 82 year old
Henk, Andy and Herman think.
You left me out of the liszt again? What does
it mean? Are you implying my opinion matters?
Or at least at does not dis-matter? That would
be very high praise indeed for a physicist! ;-)
dk
Just as a general reminder:
Henk, Andy and Herman are antisemites -
Take some of their comments about Israel
to the IHRA and the IHRA will tell you that
these comments are indeed antisemitic.
It does not matter what I think, it does not
matter what 82 year old Frank thinks, or what
Henk, Andy and Herman think.
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We've had months and months of these stupid and endless "antisemite" posts. They're slanderous, libellous, and basically just plain wrong. Please put an end to it. All this is
BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING, BORING,
Get a grip.
On 3/6/2023 8:25 AM, Dan Koren wrote:
On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:20:18 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Just as a general reminder:
Henk, Andy and Herman are antisemites -
You left me out of this august liszt? What
did I do? Or not do?!? I ask the question....
Take some of their comments about Israel
to the IHRA and the IHRA will tell you that
these comments are indeed antisemitic.
One does not need validation by 3rd parties.
not closeIt does not matter what I think, it does not
matter what 82 year old
Frank thinks, or what
Henk, Andy and Herman think.
You left me out of the liszt again? What does
it mean? Are you implying my opinion matters?
Or at least at does not dis-matter? That would
be very high praise indeed for a physicist! ;-)
dk
On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:29:12 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Dan Koren schrieb am Montag, 6. März 2023 um 00:46:43 UTC+1:
Please see your rabbi immediately and ask him to slap
you in your face.
I think you should join the Goyim Defense League - theyI have zero respect for clergy -- regardless of religion. Had I
also have zero respect for Rabbis.
replied to someone other than Frank I would have inserted
the appropriate denomination.
dk
On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 9:20:18 PM UTC-8, Marc S wrote:
Just as a general reminder:
Henk, Andy and Herman are antisemites -You left me out of this august liszt? What
did I do? Or not do?!? I ask the question....
Take some of their comments about IsraelOne does not need validation by 3rd parties.
to the IHRA and the IHRA will tell you that
these comments are indeed antisemitic.
It does not matter what I think, it does notYou left me out of the liszt again? What does
matter what 82 year old Frank thinks, or what
Henk, Andy and Herman think.
it mean? Are you implying my opinion matters?
Or at least at does not dis-matter? That would
be very high praise indeed for a physicist! ;-)
dk
rubbish deleted as usual....
I see no reason why we have to accept this kind of behaviour.
I don't know if the perpetrators think they're being clever ....
On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 17:32:44 UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote:unacceptable. I don't know if the perpetrators think they're being clever about displaying their vast knowledge of what is or isn't in the definition, but the truth is they're all behaving like badly behaved 9 year old kids. Astonishing.
Do note that there are plenty of people *inside* this forum who doThanks Todd. This name calling on the ng has gone on and on and on to the point where I feel like vomiting when I read yet another post accusing whoever of antisemitism. I see no reason why we have to accept this kind of behaviour. It's simply
not participate in these topics. Unfortunately, I cannot include
myself, since I've been making posts such as this.... However, it
really is only a few people who pursue these topics.
Do note that there are plenty of people *inside* this forum who do
not participate in these topics. Unfortunately, I cannot include
myself, since I've been making posts such as this.... However, it
really is only a few people who pursue these topics.
I have to keep reminding myself that there are people outside this
forum who have nothing to do with the bullying and garbage that
goes on here ....
The main problem is that these people have more time to carpet-post their crap than people who don't post crap.
So in effect RMCR is getting overwhelmed by crap, which makes Rational Frank's 'post something productive' completely useless.
RMCR hasn't got a chance.
Or to put it in engineering terms, rubbish in, rubbish out. Who cares any more.
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 7:21:27 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
There are a couple of people out here I like, but I'm not sure I should be spending too much time getting rubbished and rubbishing back.
On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 14:27:40 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:goes on here, and will keep on going on here because none of you are going to learn, open your eyes or change.
Get a grip.
You, Marc S and Dan Koren can individually and collectively fuck off. I've had months and months of insults and I'm done with all three of you.
I was never an antisemite but I can assure you that your collective aggressive name calling makes me sorely tempted. I have to keep reminding myself that there are people outside this forum who >have nothing to do with the bullying and garbage that
When I said "Get a grip" I meant it for your benefit. I recommend you quit RMCR, if what you see here upsets you so much. Why beat your head against a wall? Or at least, simply stop reading the posts that upset you.
Henk
PS I hope this will be me last post on the subject. I'm tired of it. Too many people I like are involved in a dirty fight.
On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 20:34:57 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
When I said "Get a grip" I meant it for your benefit. I recommend you quit RMCR, if what you see here upsets you so much. Why beat your head against a wall? Or at least, simply stop reading the posts that upset you.
People who call me names are never going to make me quit a newsgroup. Not going to happen.
If you want to continue good relations, stop calling people antisemitic and stop contributing to posts about antisemitism. People have had enough.
As you say, "I mean it for your benefit". Make the world a happier place.
On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 20:44:36 UTC, HT wrote:
Henk
PS I hope this will be me last post on the subject. I'm tired of it. Too many people I like are involved in a dirty fight.
Thanks for reaching out, Henk. I'm sick of all the name calling. I never want to see the word "antisemite" again on this ng.
I'm a very easy going and tolerant guy but there are limits.
But thanks again. I appreciate it.
You accused me of calling you an antisemite. I did not. Considering how personally offended people get being called antisemites, I consider this name-calling by you........
Andy, if the village idiot and chief clown keeps calling you names, just remember to take your own advice, and ignore him/her. Eventually they might get professional psychological help, but I wouldn't necessarily hold my breath. But it is clear to methat they need help badly.
Ray Hall, Taree
On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 23:00:10 UTC, Frank Berger wrote:
You accused me of calling you an antisemite. I did not. Considering how personally offended people get being called antisemites, I consider this name-calling by you........
What was that word again... anti something? Does it mean anything? Should I know about it?
On Monday, 6 March 2023 at 17:32:44 UTC, Todd M. McComb wrote:unacceptable. I don't know if the perpetrators think they're being clever about displaying their vast knowledge of what is or isn't in the definition, but the truth is they're all behaving like badly behaved 9 year old kids. Astonishing.
Do note that there are plenty of people *inside* this forum who doThanks Todd. This name calling on the ng has gone on and on and on to the point where I feel like vomiting when I read yet another post accusing whoever of antisemitism. I see no reason why we have to accept this kind of behaviour. It's simply
not participate in these topics. Unfortunately, I cannot include
myself, since I've been making posts such as this.... However, it
really is only a few people who pursue these topics.
But this endless name calling has gone on for months andThen why do you object to having the group moderated?
I just want to make it perfectly clear that it needs to stop.
It's not acceptable and I won't accept it. Enough.
dk
On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 00:17:37 UTC, [email protected] wrote:
Andy, if the village idiot and chief clown keeps calling you names,
just remember to take your own advice, and ignore him/her.
Eventually they might get professional psychological help,
but I wouldn't necessarily hold my breath. But it is clear
to me that they need help badly.
Hello Ray! Always good to hear from you. You're probably right.
But this endless name calling has gone on for months and
I just want to make it perfectly clear that it needs to stop.
It's not acceptable and I won't accept it. Enough.
On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 03:47:29 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
But this endless name calling has gone on for months and
I just want to make it perfectly clear that it needs to stop.
It's not acceptable and I won't accept it. Enough.
Then why do you object to having the group moderated?
I never said anything one way or the other about the group being moderated.
Moderate yourself and the question won't arise.
On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 03:47:29 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
But this endless name calling has gone on for months andThen why do you object to having the group moderated?
I just want to make it perfectly clear that it needs to stop.
It's not acceptable and I won't accept it. Enough.
dk
I never said anything one way or the other about the group being moderated.
Moderate yourself and the question won't arise.
These DK questions are 100% disingenuous.
He knows RMCR is per definition unmoderated, so it'll never happen.
And he'll be able to continue till he's the last man standing.
On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:05:54 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 03:47:29 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
But this endless name calling has gone on for months andThen why do you object to having the group moderated?
I just want to make it perfectly clear that it needs to stop.
It's not acceptable and I won't accept it. Enough.
I never said anything one way or the other about the group being moderated.
Moderate yourself and the question won't arise.
These DK questions are 100% disingenuous.
He knows RMCR is per definition unmoderated,
so it'll never happen.
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:27:04 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:05:54 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 03:47:29 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
But this endless name calling has gone on for months andThen why do you object to having the group moderated?
I just want to make it perfectly clear that it needs to stop.
It's not acceptable and I won't accept it. Enough.
I never said anything one way or the other about the group being moderated.
Moderate yourself and the question won't arise.
These DK questions are 100% disingenuous.There is no "definition" that makes RMCR
He knows RMCR is per definition unmoderated,
unmoderated or unmoderable. Why don't
you stop spreading nonsense and hate?
so it'll never happen.It can happen as soon as we draft a
plan and take a vote. This isn't rocket
science.
dk
RMCR hasn't got a chance.
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:27:04 PM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:05:54 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 03:47:29 UTC, Dan Koren wrote:
But this endless name calling has gone on for months andThen why do you object to having the group moderated?
I just want to make it perfectly clear that it needs to stop.
It's not acceptable and I won't accept it. Enough.
I never said anything one way or the other about the group being moderated.
Moderate yourself and the question won't arise.
These DK questions are 100% disingenuous.There is no "definition" that makes RMCR
He knows RMCR is per definition unmoderated,
unmoderated or unmoderable. Why don't
you stop spreading nonsense and hate?
so it'll never happen.It can happen as soon as we draft a
plan and take a vote. This isn't rocket
science.
dk
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 9:58:25 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
RMCR hasn't got a chance.
Moderate, moderate, moderate.
dk
On 2023-03-09 05:41:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 9:58:25 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:
RMCR hasn't got a chance.
Moderate, moderate, moderate.
Moderation will be the death of RMCR.
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:08:50 AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-03-09 05:41:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Monday, March 6,Can you explain why and how?
2023 at 9:58:25 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:> >>> >> RMCR hasn't got a
chance.> >> > Moderate, moderate, moderate.>
Moderation will be the death of RMCR.>
TIA
On 2023-03-09 18:10:22 +0000, Dan Koren said:
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:08:50 AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-03-09 05:41:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Monday, March 6,Can you explain why and how?
2023 at 9:58:25 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:> >>> >> RMCR hasn't got a
chance.> >> > Moderate, moderate, moderate.>
Moderation will be the death of RMCR.>
TIABecause:
1) most of the posts currently made to the group would be excised by a responsible moderator (including mine!)
2) Finding a capable and unbiased moderator would be difficult. It's a thankless position, much like a baseball umpire, except there's no pay (unless someone wants to finance it -- minimum wage laws may apply).
3) This group is still thriving, unlike much of usenet. Even spam
posts barely appear anymore. The daily traffic level is currently
good. Less posts == less things to talk about.
4) Use of a killfile is better and more effective.
On 2023-03-09 18:10:22 +0000, Dan Koren said:
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:08:50 AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-03-09 05:41:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Monday, March 6,Can you explain why and how?
2023 at 9:58:25 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:> >>> >> RMCR hasn't got a
chance.> >> > Moderate, moderate, moderate.>
Moderation will be the death of RMCR.>
TIA
Because:
1) most of the posts currently made to the
group would be excised by a responsible
moderator (including mine!)
2) Finding a capable and unbiased moderator
would be difficult. It's a thankless position,
much like a baseball umpire, except there's
no pay (unless someone wants to finance it
-- minimum wage laws may apply).
3) This group is still thriving, unlike much of
usenet. Even spam posts barely appear anymore.
The daily traffic level is currently good. Less posts
== less things to talk about.
4) Use of a killfile is better and more effective.
No, because killfiles apply to posters rather than
topics.
Dan Koren a présenté l'énoncé suivant :
No, because killfiles apply to posters rather thanWith *MESNEWS*, you can filter messages according to _any_ condition:
topics.
https://www.cjoint.com/c/MCkcxfIChPl
For example, filter all messages sent on April 4th 2021 by dk and
containing the word "jew"...
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-03-09 18:10:22 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Thursday, March 9,It all depends on what rules we agree upon.
2023 at 10:08:50 AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:> >> On 2023-03-09
05:41:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Monday, March 6,> >> 2023 at
9:58:25 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:> >>> >> RMCR hasn't got a> >> chance.>
RMCR.>> > Can you explain why and how?> >> > TIAModerate, moderate, moderate.>> >> Moderation will be the death of
Because:>> 1) most of the posts currently made to the> group would be
excised by a responsible> moderator (including mine!)
There can be multiple moderators. It wouldbe impractical, and in fact
stupid, to have a
single moderator.
2) Finding a capable and unbiased moderator> would be difficult. It's aRead above. Applying a well defined frameworkis an almost mechanical
thankless position,> much like a baseball umpire, except there's> no
pay (unless someone wants to finance it> -- minimum wage laws may
apply).
task. Moderators applyrules, they don't rely on personal bias. If in doubt,send the article back to the author to rewrite. Itis really
simple.
3) This group is still thriving, unlike much of> usenet. Even spamPlease don't pull the Safeway act on us. "Fewer",
posts barely appear anymore.> The daily traffic level is currently
good. Less posts> == less things to talk about.
not "Less". Learn English. Otherwise, this lastcomment is non sequitur.
4) Use of a killfile is better and more effective.No, because killfiles apply to posters rather thantopics.
On 2023-03-09 22:07:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:So we're suddenly all have to agree? You're stretching here. That
On 2023-03-09 18:10:22 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Thursday, March 9, >> 2023 at 10:08:50 AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:> >> On 2023-03-09It all depends on what rules we agree upon.
05:41:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Monday, March 6,> >> 2023 at
9:58:25 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:> >>> >> RMCR hasn't got a> >> chance.> >> >> > Moderate, moderate, moderate.>> >> Moderation will be the death of >> RMCR.>> > Can you explain why and how?> >> > TIA
Because:>> 1) most of the posts currently made to the> group would be
excised by a responsible> moderator (including mine!)
hasn't happened yet!
There can be multiple moderators. It wouldbe impractical, and in fact stupid, to have aWhile I admit that many of the regulars here are surrounding retirement
single moderator.
age, I doubt that we could field a reliable crew who wish to spend any
part of their lives at this point, editing and fighting with posters
whose posts didn't make the grade.
2) Finding a capable and unbiased moderator> would be difficult. It's a >> thankless position,> much like a baseball umpire, except there's> noRead above. Applying a well defined frameworkis an almost mechanical
pay (unless someone wants to finance it> -- minimum wage laws may
apply).
task. Moderators applyrules, they don't rely on personal bias. If in doubt,send the article back to the author to rewrite. Itis really
simple.
Rules without ambiguity? Maybe ChatGPT could moderate us? Perhaps you
should spin off a test moderated group, and see how well you fare?
The most wonderful thing about grammar/usage-shaming is that they3) This group is still thriving, unlike much of> usenet. Even spamPlease don't pull the Safeway act on us. "Fewer",
posts barely appear anymore.> The daily traffic level is currently
good. Less posts> == less things to talk about.
not "Less". Learn English. Otherwise, this lastcomment is non sequitur.
almost invariably make some mistake in their own post. There is no
such word as "lastcomment," but there is a "last comment."
Regardless, (I almost wrote irregardless, just for fun), moderation
can only result in fewer posts. People can get discouraged and just go
away if they hate the moderator du jour.
I love the anarchic, wild west internet. We see (read?) people at
their full colors, immoderate (note nifty pun!), and free of filters.
A quote from Matt Taibbi about an unrelated manner:
"The original promise of the Internet was that it might democratize the exchange of information globally. A free internet would overwhelm all attempts to control information flow, its very existence a threat to anti-democratic forms of government everywhere."
With all the topic creep we have here? (including this post!)4) Use of a killfile is better and more effective.No, because killfiles apply to posters rather thantopics.
Any "rule" involving topics would tend to be ambiguous. The reader is invited to create examples.
-Owen
On 2023-03-09 22:07:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
On 2023-03-09 18:10:22 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Thursday, March 9, >> 2023 at 10:08:50 AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:> >> On 2023-03-09
05:41:10 +0000, Dan Koren said:>> > On Monday, March 6,> >> 2023 at
9:58:25 AM UTC-8, Herman wrote:> >>> >> RMCR hasn't got a> >> chance.> >> >> > Moderate, moderate, moderate.>> >> Moderation will be the death of >> RMCR.>> > Can you explain why and how?> >> > TIA
Because:>> 1) most of the posts currently made to the> group would be
excised by a responsible> moderator (including mine!)
It all depends on what rules we agree upon.
So we're suddenly all have to agree? You're
stretching here. That hasn't happened yet!
There can be multiple moderators. It would
be impractical, and in fact stupid, to have a
single moderator.
While I admit that many of the regulars here are
surrounding retirement age, I doubt that we could
field a reliable crew who wish to spend any part of
their lives at this point, editing and fighting with
posters whose posts didn't make the grade.
2) Finding a capable and unbiased moderator
would be difficult. It's a thankless position,
much like a baseball umpire, except there's
no pay (unless someone wants to finance it
-- minimum wage laws may apply).
Read above. Applying a well defined frameworkis an
almost mechanical task. Moderators apply rules, they
don't rely on personal bias. If in doubt, send the article
back to the author to rewrite. It is really simple.
Rules without ambiguity? Maybe ChatGPT could
moderate us? Perhaps you should spin off a test
moderated group, and see how well you fare?
3) This group is still thriving, unlike much of
usenet. Even spam posts barely appear anymore.
The daily traffic level is currently good. Less posts
== less things to talk about.
Please don't pull the Safeway act on us. "Fewer",The most wonderful thing about grammar/usage-shaming is that they
not "Less". Learn English. Otherwise, this lastcomment is non sequitur.
almost invariably make some mistake in their own post. There is no
such word as "lastcomment," but there is a "last comment."
Regardless, (I almost wrote irregardless, just for fun),
moderation can only result in fewer posts. People can
get discouraged and just go away if they hate the
moderator du jour.
I love the anarchic, wild west internet. We see (read?)
people at their full colors, immoderate (note nifty pun!),
and free of filters.
A quote from Matt Taibbi about an unrelated manner:
"The original promise of the Internet was that it might
democratize the exchange of information globally. A
free internet would overwhelm all attempts to control
information flow, its very existence a threat to
anti-democratic forms of government everywhere."
With all the topic creep we have here? (including this post!)4) Use of a killfile is better and more effective.No, because killfiles apply to posters rather thantopics.
Any "rule" involving topics would tend to be ambiguous.
The reader is invited to create examples.
Have you ever been called a bigoted, retarded,
hyperconservative, ultrareactionary, brainfucked
imbecile? Now you have.
On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 6:25:48 PM UTC-8, Dan Koren wrote:
Have you ever been called a bigoted, retarded,
hyperconservative, ultrareactionary, brainfucked
imbecile? Now you have.
https://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/B0006IU7JK/
On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 6:00:06 PM UTC-8, raymond....gmail.com wrote:
Moderation of a social group is akin toCan you provide any real life examples?
death of the group. A ludicrous idea.
How about Reddit or Discord? There
seem to be plenty of thriving groups
under their respective umbrellas that
do not appear at all to be dead.
dk
Moderation of a social group is akin to
death of the group. A ludicrous idea.
On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 8:29:09 AM UTC-8, Owen Hartnett wrote:
We do not have to ALL agree. Just a sufficientnumber to vote in theIt all depends on what rules we agree upon.
So we're suddenly all have to agree? You're> stretching here. That
hasn't happened yet!
groups's charter. Do youremember how elections work?
There can be multiple moderators. It would> > be impractical, and in
fact stupid, to have a> > single moderator.
While I admit that many of the regulars here are> surrounding
retirement age, I doubt that we could> field a reliable crew who wish
to spend any part of> their lives at this point, editing and fighting
with> posters whose posts didn't make the grade.
Why don't you speak for just yourself? There areprobably a few people
in this ng who would bedelighted to volunteer to moderate the group.
Just off the top of my head, Melmoth, Marc,Herman, Oscar and Gerard
would find this agreat opportunity to impose their views onothers! ;-)
Can you point out the "ambiguity" in "no politicaltopics"? Your are
either playing dumb, or you aredumb.
moderate us? Perhaps you should spin off a test> moderated group, and
see how well you fare?
There are already plenty of moderated groupsthat work pretty well, both within the generalinternet framewok or on sites such as Redditor
Discord.
If that's the case, don't complain when people postarticles you orThe most wonderful thing about grammar/usage-shaming is that they>3) This group is still thriving, unlike much ofPlease don't pull the Safeway act on us. "Fewer",> > not "Less". Learn
usenet. Even spam posts barely appear anymore.
The daily traffic level is currently good. Less posts
== less things to talk about.> >
English. Otherwise, this lastcomment is non sequitur.
almost invariably make some mistake in their own post. There is no>
such word as "lastcomment," but there is a "last comment.">>
Regardless, (I almost wrote irregardless, just for fun),> moderation
can only result in fewer posts. People can> get discouraged and just go
away if they hate the> moderator du jour.>> I love the anarchic, wild
west internet. We see (read?)> people at their full colors, immoderate
(note nifty pun!),> and free of filters.
others find offensive or insulting.
Have you ever been called a bigoted, retarded,hyperconservative, ultrareactionary, brainfuckedimbecile? Now you have.
A quote from Matt Taibbi about an unrelated manner:> "The original
promise of the Internet was that it might
democratize the exchange of information globally. A> free internet
would overwhelm all attempts to control> information flow, its very
existence a threat to> anti-democratic forms of government everywhere."
The converse is also equally true. A free internet alsoprovides the
ability to flood the world with falsehood,misinformation, hatred and prejudice.
• There are many News Service Providers who would not make the change.
Some people would see a moderated group, others with different NSPs >>>>>> would see the moderated version.
• Such changes in the past have cultivated massive resentments. >>>>>> Leaving the original group intact and creating a companion moderated >>>>>> group allows group members to have a choice between the two different >>>>>> kinds of newsgroups on the same topic.
• In all likelihood, the board won't even publish an RFD to change a
group from unmoderated to moderated. A proposal for such a change
should not be submitted unless the group finds a way to demonstrate >>>>>> virtual unanimity. We strongly recommend that you instead spend your >>>>>> effort on learning how to use filters or how to create a moderated >>>>>> companion to the original group.
From unmoderated to moderated.instead spend your effort on learning how to use filters or how to create a moderated companion to the original group.
Changing a group from unmoderated to moderated is "strongly discouraged" - which, in practice, means "practically impossible."
There are many News Service Providers who would not make the change. Some people would see a moderated group, others with different NSPs would see the moderated version.
Such changes in the past have cultivated massive resentments. Leaving the original group intact and creating a companion moderated group allows group members to have a choice between the two different kinds of newsgroups on the same topic.
In all likelihood, the board won't even publish an RFD to change a group from unmoderated to moderated. A proposal for such a change should not be submitted unless the group finds a way to demonstrate virtual unanimity. We strongly recommend that you
-Owen
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