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  • Re: Goldberg Recordings

    From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 31 08:51:23 2023
    Re-starting this thread to look at available recordings. I haven't read the whole thread yet but will try to do so. Anyway, these are the ones I've chosen to listen to on YouTube. I generally favour the piano, so these are pianists. By all means suggest
    others....

    Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kgOD-r7fY Brilliant Classics Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4P6F9-4uq8
    Tharaud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMTBrHm3FS8
    Beatrice Rana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPETlHbnoUw
    Gould 1955 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwas_7H5KUs 39m
    Perahia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwEsrdClimk
    Rosen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTv-cFhHDtY
    Derzhavina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJRNofQ6u2M 1992
    Nikolaeva https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVAl47CpwOQ

    Your favourites are awaited with interest!

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Fri Mar 31 09:37:19 2023
    On Friday, 31 March 2023 at 17:27:03 UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
    Your favourites are awaited with interest!
    Burkard Schliessmann

    Good call! I'm liking these. Thanks.

    My present ranking order of interest, based only on the first couple of variations. Sure to change....

    Tharaud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMTBrHm3FS8
    Perahia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwEsrdClimk
    Rosen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTv-cFhHDtY
    Schliessmann https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64nlts_HFKY 19+20
    Nikolayeva https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVAl47CpwOQ
    Beatrice Rana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPETlHbnoUwKoroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kgOD-r7fY Brilliant Classics
    Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4P6F9-4uq8
    Derzhavina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJRNofQ6u2M 1992
    Gavrilov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruQ3Bqtyxpg
    Schepkin
    Gould 1955 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwas_7H5KUs 39m
    Gould 1959
    Gould 1981

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Fri Mar 31 09:27:00 2023
    On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 4:51:26 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
    Re-starting this thread to look at available recordings. I haven't read the whole thread yet but will try to do so. Anyway, these are the ones I've chosen to listen to on YouTube. I generally favour the piano, so these are pianists. By all means
    suggest others....

    Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kgOD-r7fY Brilliant Classics Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4P6F9-4uq8
    Tharaud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMTBrHm3FS8
    Beatrice Rana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPETlHbnoUw
    Gould 1955 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwas_7H5KUs 39m
    Perahia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwEsrdClimk
    Rosen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTv-cFhHDtY
    Derzhavina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJRNofQ6u2M 1992
    Nikolaeva https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVAl47CpwOQ

    Your favourites are awaited with interest!

    Burkard Schliessmann

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Andy Evans on Fri Mar 31 11:00:00 2023
    On 2023-03-31 9:51 a.m., Andy Evans wrote:
    Re-starting this thread to look at available recordings. I haven't read the whole thread yet but will try to do so. Anyway, these are the ones I've chosen to listen to on YouTube. I generally favour the piano, so these are pianists. By all means
    suggest others....

    Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kgOD-r7fY Brilliant Classics Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4P6F9-4uq8
    Tharaud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMTBrHm3FS8
    Beatrice Rana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPETlHbnoUw
    Gould 1955 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwas_7H5KUs 39m
    Perahia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwEsrdClimk
    Rosen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTv-cFhHDtY
    Derzhavina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJRNofQ6u2M 1992
    Nikolaeva https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVAl47CpwOQ

    Your favourites are awaited with interest!

    After listening to Tureck, I can favour just about any version apart
    from Kempff.

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 1 03:22:15 2023
    Op vrijdag 31 maart 2023 om 18:37:22 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
    On Friday, 31 March 2023 at 17:27:03 UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
    Your favourites are awaited with interest!
    Burkard Schliessmann
    Good call! I'm liking these. Thanks.

    My present ranking order of interest, based only on the first couple of variations. Sure to change....

    Tharaud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMTBrHm3FS8
    Perahia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwEsrdClimk
    Rosen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTv-cFhHDtY
    Schliessmann https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64nlts_HFKY 19+20
    Nikolayeva https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVAl47CpwOQ
    Beatrice Rana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPETlHbnoUwKoroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kgOD-r7fY Brilliant Classics
    Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4P6F9-4uq8
    Derzhavina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJRNofQ6u2M 1992
    Gavrilov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruQ3Bqtyxpg
    Schepkin
    Gould 1955 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwas_7H5KUs 39m
    Gould 1959
    Gould 1981

    No time for the Goldbergs. I'm still trying to find distinctive criteria for determining the best performance per prelude and fugue in Book I of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier.

    The performances left after the second round included those by Barenboim, Crochet, Feinberg, Feltsman, Fischer, Gould, Ishizaka, Kempff, Nikolayeva, Ugorskaja, and Xiao-Mei. To evaluate each performance, I followed Al Eisner's suggestion and considered
    several criteria, such as technique, style, interpretation, tempo, and recording quality.

    It struck me that all these performers considered Book I to be a cohesive work, leading to consistent interpretations. Therefore, the larger work determines the interpretation of each prelude and fugue. After comparing 12 preludes and fugues, I
    eliminated the more general interpretations and kept the more personal ones: those by Barenboim, Crochet, Feinberg, Gould, Fischer, and Ugorskaja.

    In the end, Barenboim's performance turned out to be the most romantic and layered, while Crochet's approach is closest to my ideal (crystal clear and elegant). Feinberg's interpretation is as eccentric as Gould's but even more unpredictable, and Fischer'
    s playing is extremely light and fast in contrast to Ugorskaja's heavy, slow, and serious approach.

    Henk

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  • From Andy Evans@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 1 03:54:15 2023
    On Saturday, 1 April 2023 at 11:22:18 UTC+1, HT wrote:
    No time for the Goldbergs. I'm still trying to find distinctive criteria for determining the best performance per prelude and fugue in Book I of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier.
    Henk

    Yes - I don't listen much to the Goldbergs and the 48 is a much better work altogether. My choices for the 48 are the polar opposite of yours - nothing remotely romantic but no Gould either.

    Tharaud is coming out top for me so far in the Goldbergs, but I have plenty more to listen to and both Tipo and Perahia sounded nice in the first couple of variations. No Gould, not even 1955.

    Tharaud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMTBrHm3FS8

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 1 05:38:30 2023
    Op zaterdag 1 april 2023 om 12:54:17 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
    On Saturday, 1 April 2023 at 11:22:18 UTC+1, HT wrote:
    No time for the Goldbergs. I'm still trying to find distinctive criteria for determining the best performance per prelude and fugue in Book I of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier.
    Henk

    Yes - I don't listen much to the Goldbergs and the 48 is a much better work altogether. My choices for the 48 are the polar opposite of yours - nothing remotely romantic but no Gould either.

    Tharaud is coming out top for me so far in the Goldbergs, but I have plenty more to listen to and both Tipo and Perahia sounded nice in the first couple of variations. No Gould, not even 1955.

    <g> It's always a pleasure to disagree with you.

    At the top of my Goldberg list, you'll find all the versions by Gould and Weissenberg. From your list, I'll probably borrow Dershavina and Tipo. I have no specific problems with the rest, except for Koriolov and Schepkin. They are completely nondescript.

    Henk

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sat Apr 1 06:57:47 2023
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:56:50 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
    Or Pietro de Maria

    https://open.spotify.com/album/1Fg1ADzlmhiShvH0ElO4AK?highlight=spotify:track:1UIUiLx6TIrbNbTQvSoQYO


    Or Pi-Hsien Chen

    https://open.spotify.com/album/0tyFJivBw3XtvPIYQvQYJc?highlight=spotify:track:1Cw6iHjvy31deovKKYRcoK

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 1 06:56:47 2023
    Or Pietro de Maria

    https://open.spotify.com/album/1Fg1ADzlmhiShvH0ElO4AK?highlight=spotify:track:1UIUiLx6TIrbNbTQvSoQYO

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 1 06:55:26 2023
    OK chaps, what about Haskell Small

    https://open.spotify.com/album/3ei2P7fDNNnBkOQxshlpqt

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  • From Mandryka@21:1/5 to Mandryka on Sat Apr 1 07:01:02 2023
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:57:50 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:56:50 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
    Or Pietro de Maria

    https://open.spotify.com/album/1Fg1ADzlmhiShvH0ElO4AK?highlight=spotify:track:1UIUiLx6TIrbNbTQvSoQYO
    Or Pi-Hsien Chen

    https://open.spotify.com/album/0tyFJivBw3XtvPIYQvQYJc?highlight=spotify:track:1Cw6iHjvy31deovKKYRcoK

    Or Andrea Bachetti

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--WOImiq7TQ&ab_channel=RenatoPezzato

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  • From HT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 1 12:04:44 2023
    Op zaterdag 1 april 2023 om 15:57:50 UTC+2 schreef Mandryka:
    On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:56:50 PM UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
    Or Pietro de Maria

    https://open.spotify.com/album/1Fg1ADzlmhiShvH0ElO4AK?highlight=spotify:track:1UIUiLx6TIrbNbTQvSoQYO
    Or Pi-Hsien Chen

    https://open.spotify.com/album/0tyFJivBw3XtvPIYQvQYJc?highlight=spotify:track:1Cw6iHjvy31deovKKYRcoK

    She deserves a revisit.

    Henk

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Graham on Sat Apr 1 16:43:22 2023
    On 2023-04-01 4:41 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2023-04-01 4:22 a.m., HT wrote:
    Op vrijdag 31 maart 2023 om 18:37:22 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
    On Friday, 31 March 2023 at 17:27:03 UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
    Your favourites are awaited with interest!
    Burkard Schliessmann
    Good call! I'm liking these. Thanks.

    My present ranking order of interest, based only on the first couple
    of variations. Sure to change....

    Tharaud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMTBrHm3FS8
    Perahia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwEsrdClimk
    Rosen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTv-cFhHDtY
    Schliessmann https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64nlts_HFKY 19+20
    Nikolayeva https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVAl47CpwOQ
    Beatrice Rana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPETlHbnoUwKoroliov
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kgOD-r7fY Brilliant Classics
    Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4P6F9-4uq8
    Derzhavina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJRNofQ6u2M 1992
    Gavrilov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruQ3Bqtyxpg
    Schepkin
    Gould 1955 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwas_7H5KUs 39m
    Gould 1959
    Gould 1981

    No time for the Goldbergs. I'm still trying to find distinctive
    criteria for determining the best performance per prelude and fugue in
    Book I of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier.

    The performances left after the second round included those by
    Barenboim, Crochet, Feinberg, Feltsman, Fischer, Gould, Ishizaka,
    Kempff, Nikolayeva, Ugorskaja, and Xiao-Mei. To evaluate each
    performance, I followed Al Eisner's suggestion and considered several
    criteria, such as technique, style, interpretation, tempo, and
    recording quality.

    It struck me that all these performers considered Book I to be a
    cohesive work, leading to consistent interpretations. Therefore, the
    larger work determines the interpretation of each prelude and fugue.
    After comparing 12 preludes and fugues, I eliminated the more general
    interpretations and kept the more personal ones: those by Barenboim,
    Crochet, Feinberg, Gould, Fischer, and Ugorskaja.

    In the end, Barenboim's performance turned out to be the most romantic
    and layered, while Crochet's approach is closest to my ideal (crystal
    clear and elegant). Feinberg's interpretation is as eccentric as
    Gould's but even more unpredictable, and Fischer's playing is
    extremely light and fast in contrast to Ugorskaja's heavy, slow, and
    serious approach.

    Henk


    (IIRC) Konstantin Lifschitz' recording received wide praise when it was issued as he was 17 at the time. I haven't been able to find it. Have
    you heard it?

    I should have used "hadn't" as Presto has it.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 1 16:41:16 2023
    On 2023-04-01 4:22 a.m., HT wrote:
    Op vrijdag 31 maart 2023 om 18:37:22 UTC+2 schreef Andy Evans:
    On Friday, 31 March 2023 at 17:27:03 UTC+1, Mandryka wrote:
    Your favourites are awaited with interest!
    Burkard Schliessmann
    Good call! I'm liking these. Thanks.

    My present ranking order of interest, based only on the first couple of variations. Sure to change....

    Tharaud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMTBrHm3FS8
    Perahia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwEsrdClimk
    Rosen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTv-cFhHDtY
    Schliessmann https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64nlts_HFKY 19+20
    Nikolayeva https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVAl47CpwOQ
    Beatrice Rana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPETlHbnoUwKoroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kgOD-r7fY Brilliant Classics
    Koroliov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4P6F9-4uq8
    Derzhavina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJRNofQ6u2M 1992
    Gavrilov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruQ3Bqtyxpg
    Schepkin
    Gould 1955 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwas_7H5KUs 39m
    Gould 1959
    Gould 1981

    No time for the Goldbergs. I'm still trying to find distinctive criteria for determining the best performance per prelude and fugue in Book I of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier.

    The performances left after the second round included those by Barenboim, Crochet, Feinberg, Feltsman, Fischer, Gould, Ishizaka, Kempff, Nikolayeva, Ugorskaja, and Xiao-Mei. To evaluate each performance, I followed Al Eisner's suggestion and considered
    several criteria, such as technique, style, interpretation, tempo, and recording quality.

    It struck me that all these performers considered Book I to be a cohesive work, leading to consistent interpretations. Therefore, the larger work determines the interpretation of each prelude and fugue. After comparing 12 preludes and fugues, I
    eliminated the more general interpretations and kept the more personal ones: those by Barenboim, Crochet, Feinberg, Gould, Fischer, and Ugorskaja.

    In the end, Barenboim's performance turned out to be the most romantic and layered, while Crochet's approach is closest to my ideal (crystal clear and elegant). Feinberg's interpretation is as eccentric as Gould's but even more unpredictable, and
    Fischer's playing is extremely light and fast in contrast to Ugorskaja's heavy, slow, and serious approach.

    Henk


    (IIRC) Konstantin Lifschitz' recording received wide praise when it was
    issued as he was 17 at the time. I haven't been able to find it. Have
    you heard it?

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  • From Al Eisner@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 2 20:24:39 2023
    On Sat, 1 Apr 2023, HT wrote:

    The performances left after the second round included those by Barenboim, Crochet, Feinberg, Feltsman, Fischer, Gould, Ishizaka, Kempff, Nikolayeva, Ugorskaja, and Xiao-Mei. To evaluate each performance, I followed Al Eisner's suggestion and considered
    several criteria, such as technique, style, interpretation, tempo, and recording quality.

    Nope, no from me; I haven't paricipated in this WTC discussion. (Andy
    has the same initials, perhaps him?)
    --
    Al Eisner
    San Mateo Co., CA

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