Hank Williams' first country hit reaching in 1947 rank #4 on country
singles chart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lza3NVH6Ig
On Thu, 5 Jun 2025 10:29:04 -0700, Steve Mc <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hank Williams' first country hit reaching in 1947 rank #4 on countryWith Zeke Turner on guitar.
singles chart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lza3NVH6Ig
On 6/6/2025 7:07 AM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2025 10:29:04 -0700, Steve Mc <[email protected]>Did you ever play with him ?
wrote:
Hank Williams' first country hit reaching in 1947 rank #4 on countryWith Zeke Turner on guitar.
singles chart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lza3NVH6Ig
Country music guitarist and songwriter from Virginia. He performed with
the Delmore Brothers and was responsible for adapting a riff from Lucky >Millinder's recording of D'Natural Blues and playing it on the Delmores' >biggest hit, "Blues Stay Away From Me." Zeke and his brother, Zeb
Turner, were prolific studio musicians working with A-list performers >including Hank Williams, Red Foley and Eddy Arnold.
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 08:24:53 -0700, Steve Mc <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 6/6/2025 7:07 AM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2025 10:29:04 -0700, Steve Mc <[email protected]>Did you ever play with him ?
wrote:
Hank Williams' first country hit reaching in 1947 rank #4 on countryWith Zeke Turner on guitar.
singles chart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lza3NVH6Ig
Country music guitarist and songwriter from Virginia. He performed with
the Delmore Brothers and was responsible for adapting a riff from Lucky >>Millinder's recording of D'Natural Blues and playing it on the Delmores' >>biggest hit, "Blues Stay Away From Me." Zeke and his brother, Zeb
Turner, were prolific studio musicians working with A-list performers >>including Hank Williams, Red Foley and Eddy Arnold.
Yes. Red and Zeke were a duo that appeared on WLWT's TV show
"M<idwestern Hayride." Their real names were Ulysses "Red" Turner and
James "Zeke Turner" Grishaw. Red started working with Zeke when his
brother Lige left the act. Zeke was an influential guiarist. He played
with the Delmore Brothers on their record of "Blues Stay Away From
Me." He invented that muted lick on the bottom three strings of the
guiar on a boogie riff. When Red left the business Zeke teamed up
with Billy Holmes. Billy was the son of Salty and Mattie Holmes. Salty
was also a member of the Western Swing band The Prairie Ramblers.
My first band was on a show at LeSourdsville Lake around the same time
(c. 1962?) and Zeke and Bill were on the show. Zeke asked me to back
them up on their set so we did. They were both a loti of fun to work
with.
Here's a link with some photos of the TV show.
The bottom color photo sholws Zelke and Bill in plaid shirts near the
middle. Zeke is in front of Bill.
The b&w photo above the color shows Zeke again in a plaid shirt, 3rd
from the right. The guy holding the bass really looks like Red Turner
to me.
The accordian player is Buddy Ross. He later played with the
Hometowners, a group that Kenny Price sang with. The guy next to him
in the checkered shirt and stingy brim hat is Willie Thall, the driver
(MC) of the Midwestern Hayride.
Seated in the first row is Ernie Lee in the string tie. The guy in the
cowboy outfit is Kenny Roberts, "The Jumping Cowboy." Known for his
yodeling abiliities. He also had his own local TV show. Kenny and I
got to know each other before he passed away via email exchanges.
In doing a little digging on "D'Natural Blues" I found it is the
oringinal recording that "The Hucklebuck" was based on that came a
couple of months later by Paul Williams.
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 17:59:01 +0000, Jim Colegrove wrote:
In doing a little digging on "D'Natural Blues" I found it is the
oringinal recording that "The Hucklebuck" was based on that came a
couple of months later by Paul Williams.
"The Huckle-Buck" was released in the first 2-3 weeks of 1949, and the >Millinder record is aslo 1949 I think, so no way the Paul Williams coyld
be 2 months after the Millinder unless the Millinder came out in 1948.
"The Huckle-Buck" was based on this from 1945.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53rEdQj5sTE
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 18:57:26 +0000, [email protected] (Bruce) wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 17:59:01 +0000, Jim Colegrove wrote:
In doing a little digging on "D'Natural Blues" I found it is the
oringinal recording that "The Hucklebuck" was based on that came a
couple of months later by Paul Williams.
"The Huckle-Buck" was released in the first 2-3 weeks of 1949, and the >>Millinder record is aslo 1949 I think, so no way the Paul Williams coyld
be 2 months after the Millinder unless the Millinder came out in 1948.
"The Huckle-Buck" was based on this from 1945.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53rEdQj5sTE
The Parker record features the chorus section without a doubt. So,
that is certainly a part of what became known as "The Huckebuck."
The two mionths later can't be right. I have read that the Paul
Wiliioams version by Paul Williams & His Hucklebuckers was on Savoy
dated 12-15-48.
The first recording of a song titled "The Hucklebuck" appears to be
Paul Williams.
Some references:
"A very successful band leader, Millinder was one of the first to
shift to small combos after WWII. He was a master of cultivating great
young musicians as, over the years, his bands included Dizzy
Gillespie, Bill Doggett, Wynonie Harris, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Ruth
Brown, and Eddie Lockjaw Davis even John Coltrane did a stint with
Millinder. In 1942, Millinder's band played the Savoy ballroom on a
double bill along with Jay McShann and his young alto player Charlie
Parker. Then, in 1948, the Lucky Millinder band played a triple bill
some say in Newark, some say Baltimore that included the Paul Williams >Orchestra. It was there that Williams said he first heard the tune, at
a band rehearsal. Teddy Reig heard them play it and Williams wanted to
record it but, says Teddy Reig, songwriter Andy Gibson had already
sold the song to Lucky Millinder as "D'Natural Blues." This,
ultimately, was no problem, as on December 15, 1948, Paul Williams and
his Hucklebuckers recorded the tune with a new name. Apparently, Andy
Gibson had sold the song twice. Millinder recorded it for RCA Victor, >confident that his version would outsell any independent label
version. However, he was wrong and a few years later tried to sue, but
was too late."
https://wfmu.org/LCD/26/huck2.html
Also:
Williams incorporated parts of the Three Bits Of Rhythm's "This Is The
Boogie The Woogie The Boogie" (1940, Decca 8572) and Charlie Parker's
"Now's The Time" (1945, Savoy 573) into "The Hucklebuck." It's
probable that Williams, and Lucky Millinder�who titled it "D'Natural >Blues"�both purchased the song from writer Andy Gibson. Williams
credited Gibson while Millinder listed himself and Henry Glover as
writers.
Henry Glover, who worked for King Records in the late '40s and early
'50s, had written a song for Moms Mabley titled "Boarding House
Blues." It appeared in the 1948 film of that title and according to
Glover, Paul Williams got a hold of the arrangement and turned it into
"The Hucklebuck." A dispute ensued but Glover and Williams personally
settled it between themselves. After his involvement with Lucky
Millinder's "D'Natural Blues," Glover again used the song's basis for
the Delmore Brothers' "Blues Stay Away From Me" (1949, King 803). "The >Hucklebuck" certainly had a complicated backstory as well as
continuing influences.
http://www.originalsproject.us/index.html?h
On Fri, 06 Jun 2025 16:55:05 -0500, Jim Colegrove
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 18:57:26 +0000, [email protected] (Bruce) wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 17:59:01 +0000, Jim Colegrove wrote:
In doing a little digging on "D'Natural Blues" I found it is the
oringinal recording that "The Hucklebuck" was based on that came a
couple of months later by Paul Williams.
"The Huckle-Buck" was released in the first 2-3 weeks of 1949, and the
Millinder record is aslo 1949 I think, so no way the Paul Williams coyld >>> be 2 months after the Millinder unless the Millinder came out in 1948.
"The Huckle-Buck" was based on this from 1945.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53rEdQj5sTE
The Parker record features the chorus section without a doubt. So,
that is certainly a part of what became known as "The Huckebuck."
The two mionths later can't be right. I have read that the Paul
Wiliioams version by Paul Williams & His Hucklebuckers was on Savoy
dated 12-15-48.
The first recording of a song titled "The Hucklebuck" appears to be
Paul Williams.
Some references:
"A very successful band leader, Millinder was one of the first to
shift to small combos after WWII. He was a master of cultivating great
young musicians as, over the years, his bands included Dizzy
Gillespie, Bill Doggett, Wynonie Harris, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Ruth
Brown, and Eddie Lockjaw Davis even John Coltrane did a stint with
Millinder. In 1942, Millinder's band played the Savoy ballroom on a
double bill along with Jay McShann and his young alto player Charlie
Parker. Then, in 1948, the Lucky Millinder band played a triple bill
some say in Newark, some say Baltimore that included the Paul Williams
Orchestra. It was there that Williams said he first heard the tune, at
a band rehearsal. Teddy Reig heard them play it and Williams wanted to
record it but, says Teddy Reig, songwriter Andy Gibson had already
sold the song to Lucky Millinder as "D'Natural Blues." This,
ultimately, was no problem, as on December 15, 1948, Paul Williams and
his Hucklebuckers recorded the tune with a new name. Apparently, Andy
Gibson had sold the song twice. Millinder recorded it for RCA Victor,
confident that his version would outsell any independent label
version. However, he was wrong and a few years later tried to sue, but
was too late."
https://wfmu.org/LCD/26/huck2.html
Also:
Williams incorporated parts of the Three Bits Of Rhythm's "This Is The
Boogie The Woogie The Boogie" (1940, Decca 8572) and Charlie Parker's
"Now's The Time" (1945, Savoy 573) into "The Hucklebuck." It's
probable that Williams, and Lucky Millinder—who titled it "D'Natural
Blues"—both purchased the song from writer Andy Gibson. Williams
credited Gibson while Millinder listed himself and Henry Glover as
writers.
Henry Glover, who worked for King Records in the late '40s and early
'50s, had written a song for Moms Mabley titled "Boarding House
Blues." It appeared in the 1948 film of that title and according to
Glover, Paul Williams got a hold of the arrangement and turned it into
"The Hucklebuck." A dispute ensued but Glover and Williams personally
settled it between themselves. After his involvement with Lucky
Millinder's "D'Natural Blues," Glover again used the song's basis for
the Delmore Brothers' "Blues Stay Away From Me" (1949, King 803). "The
Hucklebuck" certainly had a complicated backstory as well as
continuing influences.
http://www.originalsproject.us/index.html?h
Didn't find this on YouTube.
Until this morning I had not heard this record before.
Wow--a steel guitar! The verse part of "The Hucklebuck" is here.
Click the "C. Stream/Download** Media Player..." link.
https://vocalgroupharmony.com/ROWNEW/ThisBoog.htm-------------
On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 16:16:33 -0400, DianeE <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/7/2025 11:51 AM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jun 2025 16:55:05 -0500, Jim Colegrove-------------
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 18:57:26 +0000, [email protected] (Bruce) wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 17:59:01 +0000, Jim Colegrove wrote:
In doing a little digging on "D'Natural Blues" I found it is the >>>>>> oringinal recording that "The Hucklebuck" was based on that came a >>>>>> couple of months later by Paul Williams.
"The Huckle-Buck" was released in the first 2-3 weeks of 1949, and the >>>>> Millinder record is aslo 1949 I think, so no way the Paul Williams coyld >>>>> be 2 months after the Millinder unless the Millinder came out in 1948. >>>>>
"The Huckle-Buck" was based on this from 1945.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53rEdQj5sTE
The Parker record features the chorus section without a doubt. So,
that is certainly a part of what became known as "The Huckebuck."
The two mionths later can't be right. I have read that the Paul
Wiliioams version by Paul Williams & His Hucklebuckers was on Savoy
dated 12-15-48.
The first recording of a song titled "The Hucklebuck" appears to be
Paul Williams.
Some references:
"A very successful band leader, Millinder was one of the first to
shift to small combos after WWII. He was a master of cultivating great >>>> young musicians as, over the years, his bands included Dizzy
Gillespie, Bill Doggett, Wynonie Harris, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Ruth
Brown, and Eddie Lockjaw Davis even John Coltrane did a stint with
Millinder. In 1942, Millinder's band played the Savoy ballroom on a
double bill along with Jay McShann and his young alto player Charlie
Parker. Then, in 1948, the Lucky Millinder band played a triple bill
some say in Newark, some say Baltimore that included the Paul Williams >>>> Orchestra. It was there that Williams said he first heard the tune, at >>>> a band rehearsal. Teddy Reig heard them play it and Williams wanted to >>>> record it but, says Teddy Reig, songwriter Andy Gibson had already
sold the song to Lucky Millinder as "D'Natural Blues." This,
ultimately, was no problem, as on December 15, 1948, Paul Williams and >>>> his Hucklebuckers recorded the tune with a new name. Apparently, Andy
Gibson had sold the song twice. Millinder recorded it for RCA Victor,
confident that his version would outsell any independent label
version. However, he was wrong and a few years later tried to sue, but >>>> was too late."
https://wfmu.org/LCD/26/huck2.html
Also:
Williams incorporated parts of the Three Bits Of Rhythm's "This Is The >>>> Boogie The Woogie The Boogie" (1940, Decca 8572) and Charlie Parker's
"Now's The Time" (1945, Savoy 573) into "The Hucklebuck." It's
probable that Williams, and Lucky Millinder�who titled it "D'Natural
Blues"�both purchased the song from writer Andy Gibson. Williams
credited Gibson while Millinder listed himself and Henry Glover as
writers.
Henry Glover, who worked for King Records in the late '40s and early
'50s, had written a song for Moms Mabley titled "Boarding House
Blues." It appeared in the 1948 film of that title and according to
Glover, Paul Williams got a hold of the arrangement and turned it into >>>> "The Hucklebuck." A dispute ensued but Glover and Williams personally
settled it between themselves. After his involvement with Lucky
Millinder's "D'Natural Blues," Glover again used the song's basis for
the Delmore Brothers' "Blues Stay Away From Me" (1949, King 803). "The >>>> Hucklebuck" certainly had a complicated backstory as well as
continuing influences.
http://www.originalsproject.us/index.html?h
Didn't find this on YouTube.
Until this morning I had not heard this record before.
Wow--a steel guitar! The verse part of "The Hucklebuck" is here.
Click the "C. Stream/Download** Media Player..." link.
https://vocalgroupharmony.com/ROWNEW/ThisBoog.htm
Thanks for this link. That was my thought too "Wow, a [pedal?] steel >>guitar." Sure is complicated, but this has to be the source of "Here's
a dance you should know."
I think so.
But no pedal steels in the 1940s. Hadn't been invented yet.
I have three steel guitars, none have pedals. Bud Isaac was the first
to push a pedal on a steel in 1954 on Webb Pierce's recording of
"Slowly."
On 6/7/2025 11:51 AM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jun 2025 16:55:05 -0500, Jim Colegrove-------------
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 18:57:26 +0000, [email protected] (Bruce) wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 17:59:01 +0000, Jim Colegrove wrote:
In doing a little digging on "D'Natural Blues" I found it is the
oringinal recording that "The Hucklebuck" was based on that came a
couple of months later by Paul Williams.
"The Huckle-Buck" was released in the first 2-3 weeks of 1949, and the >>>> Millinder record is aslo 1949 I think, so no way the Paul Williams coyld >>>> be 2 months after the Millinder unless the Millinder came out in 1948. >>>>
"The Huckle-Buck" was based on this from 1945.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53rEdQj5sTE
The Parker record features the chorus section without a doubt. So,
that is certainly a part of what became known as "The Huckebuck."
The two mionths later can't be right. I have read that the Paul
Wiliioams version by Paul Williams & His Hucklebuckers was on Savoy
dated 12-15-48.
The first recording of a song titled "The Hucklebuck" appears to be
Paul Williams.
Some references:
"A very successful band leader, Millinder was one of the first to
shift to small combos after WWII. He was a master of cultivating great
young musicians as, over the years, his bands included Dizzy
Gillespie, Bill Doggett, Wynonie Harris, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Ruth
Brown, and Eddie Lockjaw Davis even John Coltrane did a stint with
Millinder. In 1942, Millinder's band played the Savoy ballroom on a
double bill along with Jay McShann and his young alto player Charlie
Parker. Then, in 1948, the Lucky Millinder band played a triple bill
some say in Newark, some say Baltimore that included the Paul Williams
Orchestra. It was there that Williams said he first heard the tune, at
a band rehearsal. Teddy Reig heard them play it and Williams wanted to
record it but, says Teddy Reig, songwriter Andy Gibson had already
sold the song to Lucky Millinder as "D'Natural Blues." This,
ultimately, was no problem, as on December 15, 1948, Paul Williams and
his Hucklebuckers recorded the tune with a new name. Apparently, Andy
Gibson had sold the song twice. Millinder recorded it for RCA Victor,
confident that his version would outsell any independent label
version. However, he was wrong and a few years later tried to sue, but
was too late."
https://wfmu.org/LCD/26/huck2.html
Also:
Williams incorporated parts of the Three Bits Of Rhythm's "This Is The
Boogie The Woogie The Boogie" (1940, Decca 8572) and Charlie Parker's
"Now's The Time" (1945, Savoy 573) into "The Hucklebuck." It's
probable that Williams, and Lucky Millinder�who titled it "D'Natural
Blues"�both purchased the song from writer Andy Gibson. Williams
credited Gibson while Millinder listed himself and Henry Glover as
writers.
Henry Glover, who worked for King Records in the late '40s and early
'50s, had written a song for Moms Mabley titled "Boarding House
Blues." It appeared in the 1948 film of that title and according to
Glover, Paul Williams got a hold of the arrangement and turned it into
"The Hucklebuck." A dispute ensued but Glover and Williams personally
settled it between themselves. After his involvement with Lucky
Millinder's "D'Natural Blues," Glover again used the song's basis for
the Delmore Brothers' "Blues Stay Away From Me" (1949, King 803). "The
Hucklebuck" certainly had a complicated backstory as well as
continuing influences.
http://www.originalsproject.us/index.html?h
Didn't find this on YouTube.
Until this morning I had not heard this record before.
Wow--a steel guitar! The verse part of "The Hucklebuck" is here.
Click the "C. Stream/Download** Media Player..." link.
https://vocalgroupharmony.com/ROWNEW/ThisBoog.htm
Thanks for this link. That was my thought too "Wow, a [pedal?] steel >guitar." Sure is complicated, but this has to be the source of "Here's
a dance you should know."
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 16:44:28 -0500, Jim Colegroveand the
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 16:16:33 -0400, DianeE <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/7/2025 11:51 AM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jun 2025 16:55:05 -0500, Jim Colegrove
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 18:57:26 +0000, [email protected] (Bruce) wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 17:59:01 +0000, Jim Colegrove wrote:
In doing a little digging on "D'Natural Blues" I found it is the
oringinal recording that "The Hucklebuck" was based on that came a
couple of months later by Paul Williams.
"The Huckle-Buck" was released in the first 2-3 weeks of 1949,
Williams coyldMillinder record is aslo 1949 I think, so no way the Paul
1948.be 2 months after the Millinder unless the Millinder came out in
great
"The Huckle-Buck" was based on this from 1945.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53rEdQj5sTE
The Parker record features the chorus section without a doubt. So,
that is certainly a part of what became known as "The Huckebuck."
The two mionths later can't be right. I have read that the Paul
Wiliioams version by Paul Williams & His Hucklebuckers was on Savoy
dated 12-15-48.
The first recording of a song titled "The Hucklebuck" appears to be
Paul Williams.
Some references:
"A very successful band leader, Millinder was one of the first to
shift to small combos after WWII. He was a master of cultivating
Williamsyoung musicians as, over the years, his bands included Dizzy
Gillespie, Bill Doggett, Wynonie Harris, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Ruth
Brown, and Eddie Lockjaw Davis even John Coltrane did a stint with
Millinder. In 1942, Millinder's band played the Savoy ballroom on a
double bill along with Jay McShann and his young alto player Charlie
Parker. Then, in 1948, the Lucky Millinder band played a triple bill
some say in Newark, some say Baltimore that included the Paul
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https://wfmu.org/LCD/26/huck2.html
Also:
Williams incorporated parts of the Three Bits Of Rhythm's "This
intoBoogie The Woogie The Boogie" (1940, Decca 8572) and Charlie Parker's
"Now's The Time" (1945, Savoy 573) into "The Hucklebuck." It's
probable that Williams, and Lucky Millinder—who titled it "D'Natural
Blues"—both purchased the song from writer Andy Gibson. Williams
credited Gibson while Millinder listed himself and Henry Glover as
writers.
Henry Glover, who worked for King Records in the late '40s and early
'50s, had written a song for Moms Mabley titled "Boarding House
Blues." It appeared in the 1948 film of that title and according to
Glover, Paul Williams got a hold of the arrangement and turned it
"The"The Hucklebuck." A dispute ensued but Glover and Williams personally
settled it between themselves. After his involvement with Lucky
Millinder's "D'Natural Blues," Glover again used the song's basis for
the Delmore Brothers' "Blues Stay Away From Me" (1949, King 803).
-----------------------Hucklebuck" certainly had a complicated backstory as well as
continuing influences.
http://www.originalsproject.us/index.html?h
Didn't find this on YouTube.
Until this morning I had not heard this record before.
Wow--a steel guitar! The verse part of "The Hucklebuck" is here.
Click the "C. Stream/Download** Media Player..." link.
https://vocalgroupharmony.com/ROWNEW/ThisBoog.htm
Thanks for this link. That was my thought too "Wow, a [pedal?] steel
guitar." Sure is complicated, but this has to be the source of "Here's
a dance you should know."
I think so.
But no pedal steels in the 1940s. Hadn't been invented yet.
I have three steel guitars, none have pedals. Bud Isaac was the first
to push a pedal on a steel in 1954 on Webb Pierce's recording of
"Slowly."
OK, Speedy West had did have a pedal on his steel in 1948 but he never
used it the same as Bud did. Bud was the first to use it while other
notes in the chord were still sounding. "Slowly" was a big hit and
then it was all right for players to use a steel that sounded
"un-hawaiian."
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