On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 3:11:48 +0000, Dean wrote:

In 1956, Jimmy Castor & The Juniors did the original version of "I
Promise to Remember." A cover (and far better) version by Frankie Lymon
& The Teenagers became a hit.

You've got this a little messed up here.

In 1956 Jimmy Castor and a partner wrote a song called "I Remember" and
he sang lead on he and his group's recording of the song. His group was
Jimmy Castor and the Juniors. The record was released on Wing, which was
a subsidiary of Mercury. Check the page at the link below and you will
see that there is nothing on the label saying "To Remember."

https://www.45cat.com/record/w90078x45

A little later Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers recorded a version of
Jimmy's song and changed the title to "I Promise To Remember." It became
a top 10 R&B chart hit, but stalled at #57 on Billoard's Pop chart.
Still, since then the song has been known by the title that Lymon's
version used, "I Promise To Remember." So much so that even Jimmy
himself used that title when he redid the song with the Jimmy Castor
Bunch in 1972.

I knew Jimmy Castor. He came into Relic several times while I was
working there. Great guy. Very short and slim, I'd say he was like 5-5
at the most and weighed about 135 pounds. He lived in Mahwah, NJ at that
time. He was doing very well at this time because several of his
recordings were being sampled in Hip Hop Records. He told us that he
used to sue the artists and companies who used his stuff, and then
usually settled out of court for like 20 or 30K a clip.

https://ekladata.com/[email protected]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZaGmVsVnlI

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Not the singing, but the musical background and arrangement are a total,
let's be kind and say, *homage* to the Jackson 5ive.

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On 1/19/2025 7:48 PM, DianeE wrote:

On 1/19/2025 7:13 PM, Bruce wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 23:42:47 +0000, DianeE wrote:

Not the singing, but the musical background and arrangement are a total, >>> let's be kind and say, *homage* to the Jackson 5ive.

Arrangement maybe, but not so much the musical background. All I hear is
bass, guitar and percussion. The J5 records used several more
instruments that were being played by James Jamerson and the other
members of the Motown studio folks. Jimmy used a very minimalist combo
here.

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He was doing well, as you said, but not as well as Berry Gordy. Couldn't afford the Funk Brothers.  But the rhythm, the countermelody, the arrangement, definitely imitates the style of "I Want You Back" and "ABC."

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...and quite a contrast to "Troglodytes."

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On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 23:42:47 +0000, DianeE wrote:

Not the singing, but the musical background and arrangement are a total, let's be kind and say, *homage* to the Jackson 5ive.

Arrangement maybe, but not so much the musical background. All I hear is
bass, guitar and percussion. The J5 records used several more
instruments that were being played by James Jamerson and the other
members of the Motown studio folks. Jimmy used a very minimalist combo
here.

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On 1/19/2025 7:13 PM, Bruce wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 23:42:47 +0000, DianeE wrote:

Not the singing, but the musical background and arrangement are a total,
let's be kind and say, *homage* to the Jackson 5ive.

Arrangement maybe, but not so much the musical background. All I hear is bass, guitar and percussion. The J5 records used several more
instruments that were being played by James Jamerson and the other
members of the Motown studio folks. Jimmy used a very minimalist combo
here.

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He was doing well, as you said, but not as well as Berry Gordy.
Couldn't afford the Funk Brothers. But the rhythm, the countermelody,
the arrangement, definitely imitates the style of "I Want You Back" and
"ABC."

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On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 0:49:39 +0000, DianeE wrote:

On 1/19/2025 7:48 PM, DianeE wrote:

On 1/19/2025 7:13 PM, Bruce wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 23:42:47 +0000, DianeE wrote:

Not the singing, but the musical background and arrangement are a total, >>>> let's be kind and say, *homage* to the Jackson 5ive.

Arrangement maybe, but not so much the musical background. All I hear is >>> bass, guitar and percussion. The J5 records used several more
instruments that were being played by James Jamerson and the other
members of the Motown studio folks. Jimmy used a very minimalist combo
here.

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He was doing well, as you said, but not as well as Berry Gordy. Couldn't
afford the Funk Brothers. 

I was talking about the 1980s and 1990s when he was doing well off of
samples. In 1972 though he was recording for RCA, and he could have used
more musicians on that track if he had wanted to.

You can also say that The Jackson 5 were very influenced by the sound of Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers, where the lead singer had a high voice
and was the youngest one in the Group, like Michael. So basically when
Castor was influenced by their sound it was coming around full circle.

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