• Re: Was "Oh, Darling" Written For John?

    From super70s@21:1/5 to Norbert on Tue Jun 24 07:01:49 2025
    On 2025-06-24 11:39:50 +0000, Norbert said:

    I had always accepted the default interpretation of "Oh, Darling," i.e.,
    that it is sung to a woman friend Paul feared was on the brink of
    leaving him. In fact, he was in a stable relationship with Linda at the time. There's an argument making the rounds that the song is actually
    about McCartney's awareness that his *creative partnership" with John
    was coming to an end. I was skeptical at first; now I am inclined to
    accept this alternate take on the song.

    In one of the verses, McCartney appears to start with "Oh, Johnnie."
    Anyone else hear this?

    Whoever it's about it sucks IMO, simplistic repetitive lyrics and
    melody and he sings like he's "chewing the scenery" to borrow an acting
    idiom. Definitely one of my 5 least favorite Beatles songs.

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  • From Geoff@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 25 09:40:03 2025
    On 25/06/2025 12:01 am, super70s wrote:
    On 2025-06-24 11:39:50 +0000, Norbert said:

    I had always accepted the default interpretation of "Oh, Darling," i.e.,
    that it is sung to a woman friend Paul feared was on the brink of
    leaving him.  In fact, he was in a stable relationship with Linda at the
    time.  There's an argument making the rounds that the song is actually
    about McCartney's awareness that his *creative partnership" with John
    was coming to an end.  I was skeptical at first; now I am inclined to
    accept this alternate take on the song.

    In one of the verses, McCartney appears to start with "Oh, Johnnie."
    Anyone else hear this?

    Whoever it's about it sucks IMO, simplistic repetitive lyrics and melody
    and he sings like he's "chewing the scenery" to borrow an acting idiom. Definitely one of my 5 least favorite Beatles songs.


    Really ?!!! One of my faves.

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    geoff

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  • From Geoff@21:1/5 to Norbert on Wed Jun 25 09:48:31 2025
    On 24/06/2025 11:39 pm, Norbert wrote:
    .

    In one of the verses, McCartney appears to start with "Oh, Johnnie."
    Anyone else hear this?

    As hard as I try, I just cannot hear that. What verse/time ?

    Agree about the 'target' of the song though. As, in the other direction,
    must have been 'Jealous Guy, despite various denials .

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    geoff

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  • From Geoff@21:1/5 to Geoff on Wed Jun 25 15:50:41 2025
    On 25/06/2025 9:48 am, Geoff wrote:
    On 24/06/2025 11:39 pm, Norbert wrote:
    .

    In one of the verses, McCartney appears to start with "Oh, Johnnie."
    Anyone else hear this?

    As hard as I try, I just cannot hear that. What verse/time ?

    Agree about the 'target' of the song though. As, in the other direction,
    must have been 'Jealous Guy, despite various denials .


    Posted by a 'Ron' on Quora.

    __________________________________________________________________

    "Behind the Beat": A Behavioral Study of the Beatles Mar 28
    For ‘Abbey Road' fans… (and John Lennon fans in particular).

    Based on a lot of research into Lennon's development from adolescence to 1980—including his reflective commentary, archival interviews, and
    critical discussions about The Beatles—we can derive a nuanced
    understanding of his psychological and interpersonal persona, even
    without his verbatim statements on specific compositions.

    Never mentioned, but according to George, there was a feeling that the
    ‘Abbey Road’ sessions would be the group’s last. The "medley" is comprised of bits of songs Paul and John hadn’t used elsewhere. During recording, it was dubbed "The Long One" when Paul and George Martin
    blended the suite.

    John opposed this format, preferring a return to album formats like
    ‘Sgt. Pepper, a possible reason John was sour on side two.

    Lennon appreciated the songs on side one for their completeness,
    enjoying the standalone nature of ‘Here Comes the Sun’ and ‘Because.’ He
    reportedly dismissed the medley as "junk... just bits of songs thrown
    together" (by the McCartney/Martin collaboration). Many things could
    have come together (no pun intended) to create a “feel” for “Abbey Road,” and John’s feelings towards the album might’ve soured.

    He called side two a “production gimmick.” It’s possible, too, that John felt his talents weren’t represented well on the medley. For instance,
    John liked his “Polythene Pam” tune, but felt it was lost in that
    medley. The same is true for “Here Comes The Sun King.”

    The McCartney/Martin collaboration for the medley might’ve made John
    feel he was being replaced. Not out of the question is a feeling of
    jealousy, John and Paul

    John was, in part, quick to trash the medley because Paul and George
    Martin created the suite. I believe John was so self-critical and
    insecure (yet convinced of his genius), he’d preemptively denigrate his songwriting, anticipating and justifying McCartney's perceived superiority.

    ‘Come Together’
    JOHN: “It’s gobbledygook — ‘Come Together’ was an expression that Tim Leary had come up with for his attempt at being president or whatever he
    wanted to be, and he asked me to write a campaign song. I tried and I
    tried, but I couldn’t come up with one. But I came up with this, ‘Come Together,’ which would’ve been no good to him– you couldn’t have a campaign song like that, right? Leary attacked me years later, saying I
    ripped him off. I didn’t rip him off. It’s just that it turned into
    ‘Come Together.’ What am I going to do, give it to him? It was a funky record — it’s one of my favorite Beatle tracks, or, one of my favorite Lennon tracks, let’s say that. It’s funky, it’s bluesy, and I’m singing it pretty well. I like the sound of the record. You can dance to it.
    I’ll buy it! (laughs).”

    ‘Something’
    JOHN: “I think that’s about the best track on the album, actually.”

    ‘Maxwell’s Silver Hammer' (They all hated it, Paul loved it.)
    JOHN: “I hated it. All I remember is the track – he made us do it a
    hundred million times. He did everything to make it into a single and it
    never was and it never could’ve been. But [Paul] put guitar licks on it
    and he had somebody hitting iron pieces and we spent more money on that
    song than any of them in the whole album.”

    ‘Oh! Darling’
    JOHN: “Oh! Darling’ was a great one of Paul’s that he didn’t sing too well. I always thought I could have done it better – it was more my
    style than his. He wrote it, so what the hell, he’s going to sing it.”

    ‘I Want You (She’s So Heavy)’
    JOHN: “Simplicity is evident in ‘She So Heavy.’” A reviewer wrote: ‘He
    seems to have lost his talent for lyrics, it’s so simple and boring.’
    John, “When it gets down to it– when you’re drowning, you don’t say ‘I
    would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to
    notice me drowning and come and help me,’ you just scream.”

    ‘Here Comes The Sun’
    JOHN: “It reminds me of Buddy Holly, in a way. This song is just the way he’s progressing, you know. He’s writing all kinds of songs and once the door opens, the floodgates open.”

    ‘Because’
    JOHN: (songwriter): “I was lying on the sofa in our house, listening to
    Yoko play Beethoven’s ‘Moonlight Sonata’ on the piano. Suddenly, I said, ‘Can you play those chords backward?’ She did, and I wrote ‘Because’ around them. The song sounds like ‘Moonlight Sonata,’ too. The lyrics
    are clear, no bullshit, no imagery, no obscure references.”

    ‘You Never Give Me Your Money’
    JOHN: “That’s Paul. Well, that’s not a song, you know. Abbey Road was really unfinished songs all stuck together. Everybody praises the album
    so much, but none of the songs had anything to do with each other, no
    thread at all, only the fact that we stuck them together.”

    ‘Sun King’
    JOHN: (songwriter): “That’s a piece of garbage I had around. We just started joking, you know, singing `quando para mucho.´ So we just made
    up… Paul knew a few Spanish words from school, you know. So we just
    strung any Spanish words that sounded vaguely like something. And of
    course we got `chicka ferdy´ in. That´s a Liverpool expression. Just
    like sort of– it doesn´t mean anything to me but (childish taunting)
    `na-na, na-na-na!´ `Cake and eat it´ is another nice line too, because
    they have that in Spanish– ‘Que’ or something can eat it. One we missed–
    we could have had ‘para noya,’ but we forgot all about it.”

    ‘Mean Mr. Mustard’
    JOHN: “In ‘Mean Mr Mustard’ I said ‘his sister Pam’ – originally it was
    ‘his sister Shirley’ in the lyric. I changed it to Pam to make it sound like it had something to do with it [‘Polythene Pam’]. They are only finished bits of crap that I wrote in India.”

    ‘Polythene Pam’
    JOHN: (songwriter): “That was me, remembering a little event with a
    woman in Jersey, and a man who was England’s answer to Allen Ginsberg,
    who gave us our first exposure… I met him when we were on tour and he
    took me back to his apartment, and I had a girl and he had one he wanted
    me to meet. He said she dressed up in polythene, which she did. She
    didn’t wear jackboots, and kilts, I just sort of elaborated. Perverted
    sex in a polythene bag– Just looking for something to write about.”

    ‘She Came In Through the Bathroom Window’
    JOHN: “He wrote that when we were in New York announcing Apple and we
    first met Linda. Maybe she’s the one that came in the window.”

    ‘Golden Slumbers’
    JOHN: “That’s Paul, apparently from a poem he found in a book, some eighteenth-century book where he just changed the words here and there.
    Paul layered the strings on after we finished most of the basic track. I personally can’t be bothered with strings and things, you know. I like
    to do it with the group or with electronics. And especially going
    through that hassle with musicians and all that bit, you know, it’s such
    a drag trying to get them together. But Paul digs that, so that’s his
    scene. It was up to him where he went with violins and what he did with
    them. And I think he just wanted a straight kind of backing, you know.
    Nothing freaky.”

    ‘Carry That Weight’
    JOHN: “That’s Paul. Apparently, he was under strain at that period. He’s singing about all of us.”

    ‘The End’
    JOHN: “That’s Paul again, the unfinished song, right? We’re on Abbey Road. Just a piece at the end. He had a line in it [sings] ‘And in the
    end, the love you get is equal to the love you give [sic],’ which is a
    very cosmic, philosophical line. Which again proves that if he wants to,
    he can think.”

    ‘Her Majesty’
    JOHN: “We always have tons of bits and pieces lying around. I’ve got
    stuff I wrote around Pepper, because you lose interest after you’ve had
    it for years. It was a good way of getting rid of bits of songs. In
    fact, George and Ringo wrote bits of it… literally in between bits and breaks. Paul would say, ‘We’ve got twelve bars here– fill it in,’ and we’d fill it in on the spot. As far as we’re concerned, this album is
    more ‘Beatley’ than the double (White) album.”

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    geoff

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to Geoff on Thu Jun 26 00:15:31 2025
    On 24 Jun 2025, Geoff <[email protected]> wrote in
    rec.music.beatles:

    On 25/06/2025 12:01 am, super70s wrote:
    On 2025-06-24 11:39:50 +0000, Norbert said:

    I had always accepted the default interpretation of "Oh,
    Darling," i.e., that it is sung to a woman friend Paul feared
    was on the brink of leaving him.  In fact, he was in a stable
    relationship with Linda at the time.  There's an argument
    making the rounds that the song is actually about McCartney's
    awareness that his *creative partnership" with John was coming
    to an end.  I was skeptical at first; now I am inclined to
    accept this alternate take on the song.

    In one of the verses, McCartney appears to start with "Oh,
    Johnnie." Anyone else hear this?

    Whoever it's about it sucks IMO, simplistic repetitive lyrics and
    melody and he sings like he's "chewing the scenery" to borrow an
    acting idiom. Definitely one of my 5 least favorite Beatles
    songs.


    Really ?!!! One of my faves.

    Mine, too! Tremendous vocal performance.

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  • From Geoff@21:1/5 to Norbert on Tue Jul 1 10:38:18 2025
    On 30/06/2025 9:27 pm, Norbert wrote:
    Those quotes are from John's Playboy interview.  Lennon's criticisms of Paul's vocal on "Oh! Darling" are strange.  He says that Paul didn't
    perform the vocal too well an that he (John) could have done it better. Perhaps as a younger man John could have rivalled Paul's performance,
    but there is no way he could approached it in hi post-acid phase.  John
    had lost the power in his singing.  Yes, there's screaming on Plastic
    Ono Band, but he sounds more pathetic than compelling.

    I imagine John doing the intense bit would have been painfully
    ear-shredding, rather than gutsy.

    --
    geoff

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Norbert on Sat Jul 5 06:21:12 2025
    On 2025-07-05 10:04:55 +0000, Norbert said:

    The young, pre-LSD & Yoko John might have rivalled McCartney's vocal on
    "Oh! Darling," but -- in spite of John's comments to Playboy's David
    Sheff -- McCartney did an amazing, unforgettable job on the vocal.

    Speaking of David Sheff, I was told many years ago that Yoko had agreed
    to let Sheff write her autobiography in exchange for his ludicrous
    article in Playboy, "The Betrayal of John Lennon." Guess what? The bio
    is out.

    Is the autobiography credited to "Yoko Ono with David Scheff" or
    something like that? You don't need someone's permission to write a
    biography (hello Albert Goldman). Of course you need their permission
    to give you interviews.

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