Memorizing is not a mystery if you consult the science, but it works very differently than most everyone thinks. The answers are in cognitive science.

Look into retrieval practice (which is also the cure for stage fright, assuming you've mastered the music, and there is a cure if you have not).

This is the book for understanding that www.makeitstick.net

This is Molly Gebrian, a violin professor who also got a neuroscience degree 'just for fun'. My kind of professor. Here is some good information on memorizing. Read the research she references and construct a memorization model. That part is hard, but
the memorization thing once you figure it out is simple.

https://mollygebrian.com/music-and-the-brain/

I would offer to coach you through this process, but I don't have any openings.

https://ggoodhart.com/online-practice-coaching-for-any-instrument/

Best of luck.

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 11:56:03 AM UTC-8, Bernie Cosell wrote:

Any tips on memorizing? I have one work I'm playing that I have
memorized.. except for *five*measures* [!]. I can't figure out why I have such a block with them and don't know how to fix that. On another I
worker pretty hard to remember an eight measure chunk and I was doing great.. but when I tried it the next day it was pretty much gone.

Thanks! /bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell Fantasy Farm Fibers
[email protected] Pearisburg, VA

Too many people, too few sheep <--

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On 4/23/2021 10:00 PM, Learnwell wrote:

Memorizing is not a mystery if you consult the science, but it works very differently than most everyone thinks. The answers are in cognitive science.

Look into retrieval practice (which is also the cure for stage fright, assuming you've mastered the music, and there is a cure if you have not).

This is the book for understanding that www.makeitstick.net

This is Molly Gebrian, a violin professor who also got a neuroscience degree 'just for fun'. My kind of professor. Here is some good information on memorizing. Read the research she references and construct a memorization model. That part is hard, but

the memorization thing once you figure it out is simple.

https://mollygebrian.com/music-and-the-brain/

I would offer to coach you through this process, but I don't have any openings.

https://ggoodhart.com/online-practice-coaching-for-any-instrument/

Best of luck.

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 11:56:03 AM UTC-8, Bernie Cosell wrote:

Any tips on memorizing? I have one work I'm playing that I have
memorized.. except for *five*measures* [!]. I can't figure out why I have
such a block with them and don't know how to fix that. On another I
worker pretty hard to remember an eight measure chunk and I was doing
great.. but when I tried it the next day it was pretty much gone.

Thanks! /bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell Fantasy Farm Fibers
[email protected] Pearisburg, VA

Too many people, too few sheep <--

Interesting--thanks!

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Oh man, I've forgotten more memorization tricks than I can remember!

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 7:00:32 PM UTC-7, Gary Dufresne wrote:

Oh man, I've forgotten more memorization tricks than I can remember!

Yeah, that's part of the problem. It is 'taught' using 'tips and tricks' instead of a pedagogical model that produces consistent efficient results. This is largely because our schools of education and our schools of cognitive science are inexplicably
siloed from each other. These things should, and at some point will, be taught as part of K-12 schooling. The big problems in education have been solved, but nobody is in that gap translating it into real practice. I'm working on that.

Here is an interesting little article from cog sci about a powerful memorization and tech development tool called 'spacing'. The title is, "The Spacing effect: A Case Study in the Failure to Apply the Results of Psychological Research." It refers to our
almost complete ignorance of important research that first appeared in the late 19 century (Ebbinghaus). Interesting thing is the article is from 1988, but we still haven't caught on.

http://augmentingcognition.com/assets/Dempster1988.pdf

This stuff isn't just true about memorizing, it is true about technical development as well. No 'talent' necessary.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 1:56:03 PM UTC-6, Bernie Cosell wrote:

Any tips on memorizing? I have one work I'm playing that I have
memorized.. except for *five*measures* [!]. I can't figure out why I have such a block with them and don't know how to fix that. On another I
worker pretty hard to remember an eight measure chunk and I was doing
great.. but when I tried it the next day it was pretty much gone.

Thanks! /bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell Fantasy Farm Fibers
[email protected] Pearisburg, VA

Too many people, too few sheep <--

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)