• Re: Visions of Johanna for Dummies--Coughing Heatpipes!

    From Will-Dockery@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 18 13:48:57 2024
    Anonymous wrote:
    Coughing heatpipes? Whoever started that thread is either putting
    people on or is . . . not well educated. VoJ, like a lot of Dylan's
    best songs, is P O E T R Y. Poetry has its own rules and maybe even
    no rules. But it isn't literal--if it were, it would be called
    'editorail' or 'journalism'. As for VoJ--it's a song about a man in a
    room (a cheap room, thus coughing heatpipes) who is in the arms of a
    woman he doesn't love, but is in any event 'average'. This is
    Louise--a name perfectly chosen for its lack of exoticness, the name
    of a Denny's waitress in Talahasee. While with Louise, the 'narrator'
    is thinking about someone far better than Louise--this is Johanna.
    You can take this further if you like--for many men, the wh*re/madonna
    complex is well known. We men like to marry 'madonnas', perfect
    women, but we also need w*ores, dirty women. Once a madonna gives us
    sex, she becomes a wh*re. This is an old problem/idea--see Freud,
    Jung, etc etc. Is Dylan addressing this? Who knows. Some say
    Johanna is Hebrew for apocalypse--actually, something like Gehona is
    Hebrew for 'afterlife'. Between Dylan's enthusiasm for the Bible and
    religion, and his friendship with Joan Baez
    (the song is NOT about JB), he may have known about the
    Johanna=apocalypse, Gehona=afterlife stuff. So is Dylan imagining the
    perfect afterlife, heaven, while in bed in a tawdry affair (Louise).
    I tend to think so but who knows. It is poetry, and with Dylan it is
    often bordering on the stream of conscious and is almost always
    surreal. There's lots of imagery in the song around aging and death
    and time (the highway blues, the jelly-faced women=very old
    women/wrinkling, loose skin, I can't find my knees=senility, I can't
    stand up, I've lost my legs in the sense boxers have it happen to
    them, and the aged....inside the museums infinity goes up on
    trial--speaks for itself but to put it in plain English--how long can
    we preserve things for, and what is forever or infinity anyway? Will
    the Mona Lisa exist in the year 4,115? Will any human being?...
    skeleton key, jewels and binoculars = jewelry and thick strong glasses
    that the aged wear (both the jewelry and 'binoculars'/thick glasses),
    etc. So even tho the narrator (likely dylan himself) is in bed with a
    'all right' girl who is 'near', he cannot find peace--the night plays
    tricks with him, and he contemplates something that is s
    imultaneously a perfect woman (Johanna) and that may also be
    heaven/the afterlife. Everything earthly dies and fades away, and
    Louise aint bad, but these Visions of Johanna kept me up past dawn.



    Very interesting thread.


    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=675460797#675460797

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