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  • Rothschild baronets: augmentation?

    From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 25 15:16:35 2019
    Dear comrades,

    I happened to notice that the Commons version of the Rothschild baronets' arms (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Blas%C3%B3n_de_los_Baronet_Rothschild.svg) doesn't entirely match that of the Lords Rothschild, because it bears a small inescutcheon
    in chief: argent a hand gules (possibly Ulster?)...

    ...but I can't find a source for this blazon; can anyone shed light?

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  • From Robert dCZ@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 26 09:37:01 2019
    Why is the blazon talking about fleur-de-lis when the fields clearly show bunches of arrows (which represent the original Rothschild sons who set up the branches)?
    I'm also a bit puzzled about the choice of a black Eagle on gold rather than red Eagle on white. Black on gold would suggest that the Rothschilds' knew how the future imperial Eagle of Germany will look after it turns into federated buzzard of a Republic,
    which is a bit scary. That said red on white, the Frankfurt Eagle is what they would have picked at the time I'd say.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Jan 26 21:14:02 2019
    On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 6:16:36 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
    Dear comrades,

    I happened to notice that the Commons version of the Rothschild baronets' arms
    (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Blas%C3%B3n_de_los_Baronet_Rothschild.svg) doesn't entirely
    match that of the Lords Rothschild, because it bears a small inescutcheon in chief: argent a hand gules
    (possibly Ulster?)...

    ...but I can't find a source for this blazon; can anyone shed light?

    British Baronets were originally created to aid in the plantation of Ulster by James I and VI. As such they display the red hand of Ulster on their shield.

    There are also Baronets of Nova Scotia who display the inescutcheon of that province.

    Nick

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  • From Peter Howarth@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Jan 27 01:37:15 2019
    On Friday, 25 January 2019 23:16:36 UTC, [email protected] wrote:
    Dear comrades,

    I happened to notice that the Commons version of the Rothschild baronets' arms (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Blas%C3%B3n_de_los_Baronet_Rothschild.svg) doesn't entirely match that of the Lords Rothschild, because it bears a small
    inescutcheon in chief: argent a hand gules (possibly Ulster?)...

    ...but I can't find a source for this blazon; can anyone shed light?

    We have a difference between someone's arms in theory and their arms in practice.

    Nathan Mayer Rothschild (d.1915) inherited the baronetcy 4 Jan 1876 on the death of his uncle Anthony (1st Bart cr 12 Jan 1847) under a special remainder. He succeeded to an Austrian barony on the death of his father 3 Jun 1879 but never assumed the
    title. He was then created Baron Rothschild of Tring in the peerage of Great Britain 29 Jun 1885. This meant of course that he was a baronet in addition to the superior title of baron. So in theory he was entitled to the red hand of Ulster. But in
    practice, the Barons Rothschild have not bothered to use it (see https://www.rothschildarchive.org/).

    The question is whether it is better to reproduce the arms actually used by the incumbent of the title, or to make up something different because in theory he is entitled to it.

    Peter Howarth

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