On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 10:56:21 AM UTC-5, Michael Lyons wrote:
On Saturday, May 20, 2006 at 11:32:59 AM UTC-4, Alex wrote:
Greetings rec.heralrdy readers,
this is my first time writing on this newsgroup and I should like to
begin by answering a few questions posed as "slightly puzzling" by
Mr Guy Stair Sainty.
1. My Count status is quite transparent as my family started its
records from 1498 in the Pope's State as Counts of Mazzano;
2. On March, 1 st 1720, my family was granted as Patricians of Ferrara (see "Registri delle deliberazioni" in Archivio Storico Comunale di Ferrara [Registers of deliberation Archives of the City of Ferrara] Register HH, pages 104 - 106) and on August 24th, 1726 we were
granted Patricians of Spoleto (see State Archives of Spoleto
"Riformanze" pages 51 and 52);
3. On January 27th, 1754, the Counts Domenico, Cesare and Filippo were recorded as Patricians of Spoleto (see State Central Archives in Rome, Prime Ministers Council Archives, Dept. Heraldic Council of the Kingdom
of Italy, file n° 3655);
4. On December 27th, 1827 HH Pope Leo XII issued a Bull declaring all Patricians in the Pope's State "Counts": the title was confirmed
with an official Despatch by the Apostolic Delegate addressed to the
Count Carlo Travaglini on March, 26th, 1855 (see State Central Archives
in Rome, Prime Ministers Council Archives, Dept. Heraldic Council of
the Kingdom of Italy, file n° 3655);
5. During the Kingdom of Italy my grandfather, the Count Alfredo (1881-1936), was recorded and published on "Bollettino Ufficiale
della Consulta Araldica"("Official Bulletin of the Heraldic Royal
Office", Volume V, N° 21, August 1900 - Rome);
6. The family's genealogy, was also recorded by the Consulta Araldica
(see State Central Archives in Rome, Prime Ministers Council Archives, Dept. Heraldic Council of the Kingdom of Italy, file n° 3655). Concluding, therefore, the person in question (it's me) remains
recognized a Count by the Holy See, a Sovereign State where nobility is still a right and titles are granted; and furthermore used to be a
Count under the former Kingdom of Italy.
I will answer to anybody interested in the public state archives where
the documents above mentioned are kept.
I do not accept to be insulted and defamed in a private and even more
in a public contest, for this reason I'll consider any legal
measures, as attorney at law, to defend my honour and the honour of my Family.
Kind regards,
Alessandro Travaglini, attorney at law
Law firm Travaglini
www.studiolegaletravaglini.com
oooh a big scary lawyer lmao
LMAO indeed; that might would have some clout in other circles, but not Italian law. GSS ran, admitted he was wrong, and conceded the Order of St Lazurus was a "real" order of Knighthood (despite obvious belief to the contrary) when threatened with
lawsuit elsewhere.
Italian lawsuits, OTOH, were a known game on rec.heraldry to "prove" your right to a title. Your friend sues, withdraws, and the court finds in your favor that you are noble, since the other party withdrew.
Anyone know if this game can still be played or if the Italian court system plugged the hole? I might want ot have my grant to saturn and baron of titan recognized..
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